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11th March 2020, 12:31 PM | #241 |
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Lets see, of the remaining primaries, you have:
- Florida (where Sanders trails Biden by double digits) - Illinois (where Sanders again trails Biden by double digits) - New York (where Sanders again trails Biden by double digits) - Pennsylvania (where Sanders again trails Biden by double digits) And those are just 4 of the states with bigger delegate counts. That is a huge amount of ground to cover. So not only is Biden in the lead in current delegates, he is clearly in the lead in the polls for all remaining delegates. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ary-d/florida/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ry-d/illinois/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ry-d/new-york/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com.../pennsylvania/
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11th March 2020, 01:58 PM | #242 |
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Looks like Sanders is sticking in the race.
From: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/polit...ign/index.html Bernie Sanders vowed to stay in the presidential race on Wednesday after a series of defeats that have left him trailing rival Joe Biden... BernieBros like to criticize Biden for his supposedly failing mental health.... yet here is Sanders, clinging to false hope, driving a wedge in the Democratic party, and possibly helping the Republicans. (Not to mention draining Democratic resources to continue a race when instead they could be focused against Trump.) The only way this works out well is if its somehow a way to give Biden tacit support by tossing him a bunch of soft-balls at the next debate, but I somehow doubt that will be the case. |
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11th March 2020, 02:46 PM | #243 |
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11th March 2020, 02:48 PM | #244 |
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She'd also be a great asset to either as president. I can't think of anyone who would do more with the office of VP than Warren other than Dick Cheney.
Not that I think it's likely. One, either Sanders or Biden would likely chose a younger running mate from the south or midwest. Two, it would make me too happy, and the universe doesn't operate like that. |
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11th March 2020, 04:06 PM | #245 |
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Hopefully Biden does not take such a combative tone. Even if Bernie loses, he represents a large portion of the party. Concessions should be made to appeal to the progressive wing of the party.
This tactic of comparing legitimate concerns of the progressive wing of the party to Trump enabling seems very misguided. These people who spent years crying about Bernie bros not turning out to vote seem determined to alienate every last one of them. |
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11th March 2020, 04:07 PM | #246 |
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11th March 2020, 04:08 PM | #247 |
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Stop calling us Russian bots and Trump toadies and we probably won't vote Green.
Why wouldn't Bernie get something? Plenty of lesser candidates seem to be getting something for toeing the party line. Are we one party or a vanquished foe? Obama made Hillary secretary of state, and she ran a way nastier primary than anything we've seen so far. |
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11th March 2020, 04:39 PM | #248 |
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11th March 2020, 05:21 PM | #249 |
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More importantly, it's not good for the USA either. Ideologically rigid politicians are lousy politicians, period. Interestingly, ideologically ungrounded politicians (like Trump) are kinda worthless too.
It would also be very hard to overcome the resultant damaged egos and defeat Trump in November. Although I'm disappointed that it's Biden, there's no question who I'm pulling the lever for in November. I hope others act likewise. |
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I'm not the one calling Sanders supporters Russian bots. I figured it wasn't directed at me.
And no, while I would appreciate it if all the Dems stayed home this time, I don't think any of them should betray their conscience to do so. If Sanders supporters all end up holding their nose and voting for Biden, and as a result he wins the election, that's an acceptable outcome to me. Sanders supporters spoiling Biden's chances seems like a silly idea to me. I wouldn't mind the result, but I don't want them to do it, if that makes sense. |
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OK, just tell Bernie to call off the dogs. Uncle already.
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11th March 2020, 06:04 PM | #256 |
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Yeah, but he was replying to your post. And I'm sorry if you find this offensive. But I don't believe you.
All I have seen the last few years is Republicans tossing away any and all principles in exchange for power. And I have seen little evidence that shows you are the exception. But maybe, I'm wrong. I doubt it though. |
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11th March 2020, 06:45 PM | #257 |
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"Vote Blue no matter who"
Well, Horton, here's our who. |
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The news this evening has me lamenting that we did not recognize the value of a candidate who "has a plan for that"
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11th March 2020, 07:03 PM | #261 |
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11th March 2020, 07:06 PM | #262 |
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Why are you comparing candidates who got out of the way in a timely fashion with one that refuses to do the same?
If Bernie were to have quit today I suspect he would have gotten significant currency with a Biden administration. If he gets nothing because he drags this into may, he'll have himself to blame. |
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No doubt he'll lament his actions over the years and years remaining to him. He's 109 years old, and has been wildly controversial for decades, with millions of people hating his guts. Sanders has no reason to give a crap about consequences. From his perspective he may as well keep on being Sandersy up to the last minute, which isn't too far off no matter what happens.
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11th March 2020, 07:47 PM | #264 |
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Experienced in a political environment already rendered obsolete by obstructionism. I've yet to hear him give an actual answer to being asked how he'd deal with a GOP-majority Senate. Whenever it comes up he name drops Obama and moves on.
Let's be clear: I do not like him, and I do not think he will make an effective President. But he's honest and his intentions are good, which are two things that no one can say about Trump with a straight face. If you'd like a more full-throated support, let's see him pick a young progressive as veep and move to unite the party instead of doubling down on feckless centrism. Warren would be okay too. |
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Recent Trump tweet I saw:
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11th March 2020, 08:36 PM | #266 |
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I doubt he will.
My comments are basically my own opinions, and I doubt anyone is going to change their opinions based on anything I say.
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Yup, if the GOP hold the senate it will be difficult for President Biden to get legislation passed.
But then, given the fact that Trump has been running things by executive order, Biden is probably smart enough to know he could do the same.
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11th March 2020, 08:52 PM | #268 |
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Even if Sanders is sincere about his stated intentions, the problem is the large number of BernieBros that might not listen.
Sanders supporters here like to point out that Sanders ended up campaigning for Clinton in the end, but approximately 1 in 10 of his supporters ended up voting for Trump. Even if, in the very end, he does is best to campaign for Biden in the end, staying in the race still divides the Democrats, and still diverts resources that could be used to fight the republicans. And all for what, to get some vague promises that Biden might not be able to get passed because of Republican obstructionism? |
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That sounds shady to me.
In Biden news... Joe Biden Announces Formation Of Public Health Advisory Committee To Address COVID-19
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Can we put this ridiculous smear to rest? What's the normal rate for party defectors in a primary? Was Bernie's 1 in 10 better or worse than normal?
What's the standard you are using to assess the toxicity of Bernie Bros who crossed party lines? Hillary supporters voted for McCain at 25% in 2008. 9% of Obama primary voters voted for McCain in the general, riddle me that. Sanders supporters were 1% worse than people who didn't vote for Obama even though he won the primary. https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/54581...p-survey-finds This whole thing smacks of desperation to avoid the truth that Hillary lost on her own merits. Toxic Bernie bros didn't cost Hillary the election. She was a bad candidate and ran a poor campaign. |
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That's Sander's solution.
As soon as Biden wins the election the GOP are going to start moping and whining about bipartisanship, crying big crocodile tears at the mean ol' Democrats trying to get stuff done without them. And Biden, drawing on his decades of experience working across the aisle, will water down his own proposals to nothing if it means getting them on board, and there will be months of debates and delays right up until the last moment when they will tell him to go **** himself. Just like they did with Obama. That is literally what people are nominating him to do. A Biden presidency represents homeopathic levels of progress. But it wouldn't be further backsliding into a fascist dystopia, so at least there's that. It's just game theory. You play tit for tat. The Trumpers who screwed Democrats get screwed, but the new ones and the honest ones you go out of your way to include and be nice to. |
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This really is the path to victory for Biden. Trump is so terrible that people aren't going to care that Biden is an extremely unappealing candidate.
I mean, this works on me, and I probably hate Biden as much as anyone that isn't a MAGA CHUD. But yeah, not expecting anything out of Biden's presidency other than reversing some of Trump's worse executive actions and appointing a few judges. It's going to be like Obama's gridlocked years, but worse because Biden isn't nearly as effective as Obama was. |
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I don’t think that’s on the horizon, but I’m beginning to sense the stage is being set for a worldwide conflagration of some sort. Possibly starting in the Middle East over oil. There’s already economic “warfare” initiated by Saudi Arabia causing a collapse in oil prices and exacerbating the stock market rout already in progress.
Maybe I’m just being paranoid, but it’s a sick feeling that’s starting to creep into my otherwise optimistic world view. |
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