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9th March 2020, 03:31 PM | #361 |
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It doesn't even make sense, but it's essentially a rationalisation of failure, or laziness. "Oh, well. We didn't win, but our loss if going to make us stronger, you'll see!!"
Sauce for the goose: And the very next post: It has to be a QED record. |
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"I'm Donald Trump, and I approve this message."
Seriously, Trump doesn't even need to campaign- he's got some of the folks who should be most opposed to everything he stands for doing all his heavy lifting for him. Why do you think he keeps tweeting all that crap about poor Bernie getting cheated by the DNC? All you're doing is parroting his talking points. I guess we'll have to hope that when it comes to crunch time, if Biden wins the nomination, Bernie himself will be a little more adult about the whole thing than some of his followers. |
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You're really something else. So if I make a post criticising you for missing dudalb's point I still must address yours or be called a hypocrite?
I'd say you're making up debating rules as you go along but you and I both know that it's just a way to avoid even considering the possibility that you might have made a mistake in responding to dudalb. "No, you!" doesn't work in elementary school, cabbage. It sure as hell won't work here. |
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9th March 2020, 03:50 PM | #368 |
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I'm glad to hear that.
The fact is, I (as I've said) prefer Sanders; but I don't think Sanders could win over enough of the moderates he would need to beat Trump. I don't like having to think that, but it is, IMO, a reality. And since I think getting Trump out is the priority, assuming Biden wins the nom, I'll support him as forcefully in what I could at least realistically hope is a winning cause as I would have Sanders in what I would privately think of as a losing one. Even though I agree that Biden wouldn't be the best president from a progressive POV, he's a **** of a lot better than the alternative. You can't always get what you want; but if you try sometime...well, you know the rest. |
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It’s fascinating that you think I am making a distinction here. As a middle class worker I see the way companies are termiting my wages and conditions, bringing in foreign visa workers for less, if not wholesale shipping the jobs abroad. Biden represents these billionaire interests and not the working American.
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OK. Exactly how many rounds of pushing for massive cuts to Social Security and literally every other assistance program (complete with enraged clarification that he really meant not just SS but everything that helps anybody because the suggestion that he'd limit his attack to just SS was so offensive to him), pushing for crime bills that primarily harass minorities, fighting to protect segregation, pushing for debt bills attacking the poor, voting for every war in sight, fighting for Republican judge nominees, attacking women for lodging sexual harassment complaints, and flipping his prior stances on things like Medicare For All after taking bribes from related corporations like medical insurance companies, would it take?
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Why Biden’s First Run for President failed: NYT News
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Concerns over Biden's cognitive state are not new and did not start from Trump, Sanders, or Russian trolls.
Try Booker, Castro, and Ryan. Democrats and Their Media Allies Impugned Biden’s Cognitive Fitness. Now They Feign Outrage. And so, as does happen, what was once orthodox is now heretical. As to the "why would people do this?" question, it reeks too much of faux-naivete. There's nothing people might gain by following orders? No patronage out there to be awarded for that loyalty? No potential for personal gain of some kind, financial or otherwise? Just a straightforward "should I do the right thing" decision with zero possible corruptive influence? Horse hockey. ETA: A lot of issues that happen in life and derided as "conspiracy theories" don't need a conspiracy to occur. They just need to people to act like the system they are part of conditions them to act. Nobody cleverly designed the system to do so on purpose for some kind of 18-dimensional chess strategy. |
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I agree. I think Sanders has some problems any time he takes the bait on Cuba. I have said repeatedly that he should just stop saying any "Castro was bad, but Cuba...". He should just say that his model is Denmark or something like that. If you have to explain, you have already lost.
And yes, attacking the DNC is electoral suicide. He'd probably have more endorsements if he didn't do that. As for socialism, there's not much he can do about it except just repeat his policy aims and not attach a label to them. I think I should hold my hand up and say that I posted a video that it turns out was chopped at the end making it seem like Biden was saying "we going to re-elect Donald Trump". So for that I pologize. That said, the video still showcased Biden's talent for losing his train of thought mid-sentence. That's going to be a problem in the debates. |
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The Democratic Party elites are precisely the people he will need to pass M4A and every other massive reform he has been promising. Unless the U.S. suddenly becomes a monarchy, I've no idea how Bernie thinks he is going to get anything done.
Biden, by contrast, has ample support in both chambers of the legislature and he's asking for relatively modest reforms. He should have a good shot. |
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Just need to overlook him being a lying scumbag flake but yeah vague promises of “modest reforms.” What a presidential candidate! What a platform!
An America that offers a fair deal for working Americans must be relegated to the too hard basket because the establishment says no. Bend over and like it. |
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Ah, yes. Because the Republicans have been so reasonable about modest reforms. They certainly wouldn't try to tank everything the other party attempts, purely from partisan spite, would they?
I suppose next you'll say they'd let a Democratic president appoint someone to the Supreme Court. |
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Telling a bunch of brown and black voters how great white countries are. Great strategy.
God, no matter how many times I tell you you people still don't get it. You think minorities don't notice when politicians say the US should be more like white countries? They do. That's one reason why Bernie Sanders isn't popular among blacks. You people need to get out of this Europormorphic mindset -- viewing the world as entirely white. The world would make a lot more sense if you did. |
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This thread is about Biden. |
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Who said anything about Republicans? The limiting factor on ACA provisions was a fellow best known as Al Gore's erstwhile veep pick.
The highlighted bits are how I can tell you've not even skimmed his platform. I will note here that neither of you even tried to answer my question about how Bernie is going to get huge new reforms through Congress (not to mention the Roberts court). |
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Well, color me shocked! Are you trying to say that fellow Dems, running against Biden in the 2020 primaries, would stoop to questioning his cognitive abilities? And here I thought they were above such machinations.
For C's sake, it was no more "orthodox" then than it is now; it was the same damn thing. Throw it out there and hope it sticks. But what's your point? Because they did so that somehow absolves Sanders supporters from continuing this tactic? That it somehow makes them more true? Booker, Castro, and Ryan didn't present anything more in evidence than you, or Oxy, or any other "Bidens's got dementia" fan. To claim that 12 former Dem candidates truly think Biden has dementia but are planning to make him POTUS anyway is a conspiracy theory no matter how you try to normalize it. By the way, I, and no one else I've seen ever seen, said it started with Russian bots. I said the memo released the day after Super Tuesday COULD have come from a Russian misinformation campaign as no one has been able to find its origin. Stop misrepresenting what I said. It's dishonest. |
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Plagiarism in Bidens 1988 Campaign (WP on YouTube)
Replace one lying grifter with another. He could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue if you thought he would appoint the right judges. |
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It was "orthodox" in the sense that it could be made part of the conversation and not produce howls of outrage.
Now bringing it up gets you called one step shy of a "useful idiot for the other side."
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Accept or deny the information on its own merits rather than based on what "the point" of sharing it was. Attempting to connect the information to a hidden agenda of some kind seems like laying the groundwork for confirmation bias. To claim that 12 former Dem candidates truly think Biden has dementia but are planning to make him POTUS anyway is a conspiracy theory no matter how you try to normalize it. I wasn't trying to normalize it and again I emphatically disagree. Tens of thousands if not millions of people every day savagely exploit whole swathes of the world and subject them to misery. But they don't have a secret bat signal or a hotline number to call for their latest orders. We conquered 2 entire countries and subjected their populations to brutal oppression and sustained campaigns of extrajudicial murders with high collateral damage counts. It wasn't a conspiracy. It was massive numbers of people doing what their environments and institutional systems conditioned them to do.
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Couldn't help but notice that you have no issue twisting my words around and then ending your post having made it about you and your victimization at my hands. So let's drop all the emotional frontery. Do you accept the information that this concern (or "attack", makes no difference to me, really) is not only from <insert person or group you don't like here>, shouldn't be dismissed on those lines anyways (poisoning the well analogy), and has been a discussion point since long before Biden's recent successes at the polls? I do have a "point" or "agenda" and that's to put lie to the idea that this criticism can be dismissed solely by impugning the motives of those saying it. My absolutely relevant concern is exemplified by his recent showing in St. Louis. It actually isn't the flubbed "re-elect" line, either. It was leaking Kamala's endorsement. We don't need another President who blurts stuff out that is supposed to be confidential in the wrong settings. Doing so to puff up the ego or doing so because of being just daffy doesn't make a difference in impact. ETA: I should also add, I don't even need him to have dementia to have a reason for concern, so I reject that entire framing and regret buying into it at all. I don't care what the explanation is and I'm not emotionally invested in one. I don't think he's "there" enough to do this job. |
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, can we just calm down for a moment and try to be fair to both sides? Get out of your own headspace and try to see the world through the eyes of others. Democrats are (likely) going to choose Biden simply because they think he has a better chance in a general election, and Republicans are going to back Trump because they're evil.
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