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6th March 2020, 04:35 PM | #81 |
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There is no evidence of early stage dementia in Biden. All we get are declarations that it is so, mostly by people who support Sanders. What people claim as evidence of this alleged early dementia are traits that Biden has exhibited for years. As TIME said:
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If anyone would notice a cognitive decline in Biden, it would be his family. You know, those closest to him. Those of you who claim Biden is showing signs of dementia, do really think that Dr. Jill Biden, his wife, would support him running for POTUS if she thought he might have dementia? What about his son? Those who work closely with him? You think all of them are supporting a man with signs of dementia as the potential POTUS?
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Please don't tell me I don't know the difference between early dementia vs normal aging. My father passed away due to dementia; I know it when I see it. Watching him deteriorate is possibly the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. On the other hand, please allow me to clarify, as well. Honestly, I can't say for sure whether Biden has early stage dementia or not. I will admit I am suspicious but, unlike with my father, I have no contact with Biden except what I see on TV, so I can't be at all sure. (I feel the same way about Trump, incidentally). Whatever it is, personal trait, dementia, or just normal aging, it's clearly a detriment to his campaign. I hope he wins, I will vote for him (assuming he's the D nominee), but I'm not going to ignore what I see. |
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6th March 2020, 05:42 PM | #90 |
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1) I didn't say you didn't know the difference. I said to look up
2) I'm sorry your father had dementia. So did my husband's father. 3) I suggested you look up the signs of dementia vs normal aging as you were claiming that there is "evidence of early stage dementia for Biden." No, there is not.
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6th March 2020, 05:48 PM | #92 |
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I dont worry about his policy stances because I dont believe he has much intention of actually governing.
His one and only job for the remainder of his time on earth is to win the election. The governing will be done by his "team". Further, I think he has made that as clear as he could be stating that he is fine with a four year term. |
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Which implies I don't know the difference. I wouldn't need to look it up if I did.
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I do not intend it as an attack; like I said, I expect to vote for Biden in November. I would prefer voting for Sanders, but like you (I believe), I'm in it to defeat Trump, ultimately. But I'm not as confident as I would like to be with Biden, and this is why. |
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It's my understanding it's debatable. Reagan's son says he had Alzheimer's while in office: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-president-son Let me give you my own anecdote: I was suspicious of dementia in my father back in the late 90s. It wasn't obvious until a few to several years later, and he was never diagnosed with dementia. But he had dementia, I assure you; of that I have no doubt (not merely the suspicions I had in the 90s). |
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When the past conversation (by others before you joined in) contends that Biden's gaffes are 'new' and are signs of dementia and then you state that there is evidence of said dementia in Biden, I could only infer that you were in agreement. That indicates to me that you, like them, were not distinguishing between the signs of Alzheimer's and signs of normal aging.
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6th March 2020, 06:26 PM | #98 |
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This is what Ron Reagan had to say about when his father started exhibiting signs:
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I just watched Trump's CDC news conference.
I will take a deranged Biden over that any day of the week. |
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6th March 2020, 07:49 PM | #100 |
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It's perfectly acceptable to have a senile or mentally ill man as president provided he's from the right political party.
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6th March 2020, 08:18 PM | #101 |
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This thread reminds me of the phrase twitter is not the internet. Biden is popular
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To de-Cain a Caining...
Assuming for a moment an equal degree of senility, we have on the one hand a malignant narcissist devoid of empathy who is more feared than loved, and on the other hand a loved, empathetic human being who wears his heart on his sleeve. Choosing between these two is a no-brainer, even if both have no brains. |
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What is this American obsession with putting old fogies into the White House?
Do they fear another "Zippergate" more than incompetence? |
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Practically guaranteed failure; the only reason to nominate him is to deliberately throw it for the Republican.
One general reason for that is, of course, the fact that a "centrist" (or actually just plain conservative) Democrat campaign simply never works. But also, more specific to him individually, "gaffe" is the wrong word for his "gaffes". A gaffe is supposed to be something uncommon that occasionally happens to somebody who usually does better in general. But for him, that kind of stuff is normal. What's rare for him is when he does manage to appear to have his act together for a while. |
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It's not surprising on the Republican side. Less-educated and rural people have for years enjoyed wrapping themselves up in the identity of the unsophisticated down-to-earth mentality, not merely accepting mistakes but even highlighting & exaggerating them, treating them as signs of being more open & trustworthy & friendly than those pretentious elitists with their constant need to seem flawless & superior. Comedians like Jeff Foxworthy, Bill Engvall, Larry the Cable Guy, and Ron White (and others dating all the way back to the TV series Hee Haw at least) aren't popular because they make fun of somebody "else" to their audience; they're popular because what they joke about is something their audience can identify with. The Democrats' collective self-image has no equivalent type for him to cheerily fit into. (And even if it did, he might be too far gone even for that, or look to scared when he knows it's happening to him instead of making a joke out of it.)
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Maybe keep him away from situations where he has to talk too much on taxing subjects. Will keep the number of gaffes and sundowning moments from growing that the Trump campaign will exploit.
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My comment was directed at both Trump and Biden. Biden may or may not be senile, but Trump is mentally ill (and possibly senile). Someone described the president's pathologies as "towering." So, yeah, in that battle, Biden is undoubtedly better than the current White House occupant. But so what? When McCain was nominated, critics rightfully pointed out that he was old (72 at the time). This country has hundreds of millions of people! Joe Biden. He'll just be a figurehead anyway.
Biden sometimes looks like he's six months away from Billy Burr's impression of an old, old man:
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I expect this is supposed to be a "what aboutism" but it doesn't really work as their careers and standing are so different. She married a guy nobody ever thought would hold an elected position. Biden's a career politician who's held office and run for office for what, fifty years now? He should definitely be held to a much higher standard. I'm not sure her English is ever good enough to write a speech. As much as I detest our mad king and have contempt for our foreign queen I think her cribbing a speech is small potatoes in the grander scheme. Plagiarism speaks to character and we already know her character: golddigger. She's not running for office, so what does she matter?
Biden, however, is running for office and he's got a track record of foolishly obvious dishonesty demonstrated in repeated incidents of plagiarism. That's much more damning. |
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Lots of focus on "gaffes" and handwaving them away as perhaps even part of his folksy charm.
But there's tales made up out of whole cloth (arrested in S.A. trying to see Mandela) and innumerable statements where he shows his contempt for progressive values. Dementia would almost seem to be the less concerning reason to explain those, do you still want to back away from that explanation for such cases? |
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That last statement nails it.
Wether he has actual, clinical, dimentia matters not one whit. The downfall is that he is presenting as someone whose tank is on "E". He needs to be kept out of the public eye as much as someone running for POTUS can be. A vibrant V.P., selected early, could get out there and draw some of the fire. |
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