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8th March 2020, 12:57 PM | #201 |
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That would certainly help. But I'd need to know on what he's basing his statement, what his qualifications are, etc.
The following former candidates, all having interacted with Biden, have endorsed him for POTUS. Do you seriously think they believe Biden has dementia? Sen. Kamala Harris Mayor Pete Buttigieg Gov. Deval Patrick Rep. John Delaney Mayor Michael Bloomberg Sen. Amy Klobuchar Rep. Beto O'Rourke Rep. Seth Moulton Rep. Tim Ryan |
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His qualifications are that he is a Geriatric psychiatrist with expertise in dementia. If I provide the sourced quote, will you admit that this is evidence?
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8th March 2020, 01:09 PM | #203 |
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Does it matter, if it gets Trump out of office?
Who would you rather have as president? Dementia Joe or Crazy Donald? At least Dementia Joe's cabinet could be trusted to apply a 25th Amendment solution and keep the country on track. Seems like there's all kinds of good reasons for good Democrats to downplay Biden's limits in the middle of election season. |
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I never said it was coming from Russia; I merely wondered as the memo presents itself as being an official campaign communique but the Sanders campaign had disavowed it. So if the Sanders campaign isn't behind it, who is?
Do you want to claim that Russia isn't engaging in a misinformation campaign directed at the election? If you aren't, then why isn't it quite possible that this is part of that campaign? As we already know, Russia was behind the Crowdstrike DNC server-Ukraine hoax. |
8th March 2020, 01:16 PM | #205 |
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I seriously believe it wouldn't matter to them whether he was compos mentis or not. He could be a drooling vegetable and they'd endorse him just to preserve party unity. The only alternative is Sanders and his socialism.
Look at how many people knowingly endorsed Trump. |
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8th March 2020, 01:39 PM | #208 |
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I'm pretty sure Biden meant that only a mainstream lifelong Democrat can defeat Trump, not people who sometimes have and "R" or "I" after their name. Trump similarly utters sentences that get away from him completely, but probably not as politically suicidable.
Heightened visibility is probably not going to help him, but he will be getting some high-octane surrogates on his team. |
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The difference between Biden's and Trump's gaffes are that Biden has a long history of misspeaking in the moment and later apologizing or deferring to more capable people on the matter, while Trump has a long history of misspeaking in the moment and then doubling down and insisting he was right all along and everyone else was wrong no matter how insane his interpretation happened to be.
I would have preferred to entirely avoid any situation where I have to weigh the ramblings of one crazy white grandpa with another in considering which should be President, but they're certainly very different beasts. |
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And if Sanders is the Democratic candidate that is exactly what they should do, but the same applies in reverse. If people throw a tantrum because their perfect candidate didn't get the nomination and fail to get out and vote, well then they will have no one to blame but themselves if the USA winds up with a 2nd Trump term.
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Don't be silly, no one in swing states wants that guy. You've got your spot in the corner next to the Greens, go back and wait there, we'll get around to possibly considering your policies someday. And please remember to raise your hand and wait to be called on before speaking, these are the rules that the whole party voted on, mkay?
No, he parrots people and gets it wrong, but insists he didn't. Like that hurricane which he was told something like "could impact places as far as Alabama," that he interpreted as "it could hit Alabama," and went so far as drawing a track hitting Alabama on a NOAA prediction map with a sharpie, just to avoid having to admit he misspoke. |
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Let's be honest though - one of his primary qualifications as compared to those who have already dropped out was "ability to raise campaign money". At least if we are to take their word for it at face value. And yeah, that's a pretty insane criterium for choosing a candidate when you think about it.
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No, that kind of glib nonsense doesn't get people off the hook. Trump won last time because a bunch of Democratic voters who weren't keen on Clinton convinced themselves that she was bound to win so they could sit home or register a protest vote. There are no excuses this time. Biden, Sanders, doesn't matter, they will still be infinitely preferable to Trump and if you convince yourself otherwise, then you are complicit in a 2nd Trump term.
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Lack of connections and/or public familiarity factored into it as well, I'm sure. I'd personally have voted for ANY of the others (with the possible exceptions of Bloombergy and Steyer) before Biden - Bennet, Booker, Buttigieg, Harris, Klobuchar, Warren, Sanders, even Gabbard.
Of course, I'll still support and even campaign for Biden if it comes down to a match between him and Trump. |
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I don't think you really do believe that. You can't explain away their endorsements without admitting they don't think Biden has dementia so you go for the absurd.
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You guys just better hope Dr Lee, et al, come out and clear Biden. Didn’t she say her new organization would be vetting candidates in the future? They seem pretty quiet so far.
OR: Maybe we can agree that speculation about mental illness in political candidates a professional has never met is, perhaps, medically inappropriate, unethical and prone to problems with bias? |
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Would you like to present evidence that Reagan was exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's during his second run for office in 1984? He wasn't diagnosed with the disease until 1993, nine years later.
Even if we assume that he may have been showing some symptoms during the last year of his presidency, it would likely have been seen as just the typical effects of him aging. Also, remember that he was already the POTUS and he would have had to be removed through the 25 Amendment which requires him be 'unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office'. He would have to be displaying more than just the gaffes that Biden does to reach that standard. Let's next assume that he became worse towards the very end of his term. Was it bad enough to actually remove him or just let the VP handle things behind the scene and let a very popular president retire with grace? What you are suggesting is that all those endorsing ex-candidates are conspiring to PUT INTO the presidency a man already with dementia. If you cannot see just how absurd that is, then I can't help you. |
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Good thing Trump, never firing on all cylinders, was president first. Reminds me of Daddy Bush talking. But others will not remember this. So Trump talking in disjointed words and phrases will prepare us. We will barely notice the change to slghtly demented Biden.
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I see the problem now: you have a reading comprehension problem.
I most certainly never said, nor implied, that "if you talk about his odd behaviour you are engaging in a Russian misinformation campaign." What part of "I never said it was coming from Russia," are you not understanding? What is confusing you about "why isn't it quite possible that this is part of that campaign"? Does the Sanders campaign deny they sent out this memo? Yes or no? Do you accept that there is a Russian misinformation campaign? Yes or no? If you answer 'yes' to both these questions, then can you deny that it is a possibility that Russia is behind the memo? |
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You have no idea that you have lost all objectivity and only see things through your own bias, do you?
Let me ask you this: if Biden does become the nominee, will you vote for him? |
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The first two are word for word, and the third is boiled down from of a list of ways that Obama claimed his Presidency would be remembered as improving a list of things about the world (which famously included even the rising ocean settling back down).
But for the sake of discussion, let's go with a pretend-world where those didn't happen, or even where I can seriously believe anybody who was around somehow missed them even though they were so thoroughly everywhere they became cliché (especially when MTV played one of them between its own catchphrases about a "music revolution")... How would that help the case for those who claim that a Democrat can't win unless (s)he essentially acts enough like a Republican and a progressive is sure to lose? Even granting this alternative scenario, you'd still have a world where only one approach, the "try to look & sound enough like a Republican" approach, has ever been tried, and it's worked sometimes and failed sometimes, but then there'd still be no progressive examples on which to base the claim that that couldn't have worked if it had been tried. Yes. ...Either because they somehow buy into the above myth that only a republican in Democrats' clothing can win, or because they're just as much a part of standard Washington bribe-taking corruption as so many others are so they don't want us to elect somebody who might actually do something about it. |
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