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28th March 2020, 01:46 PM | #81 |
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I went over to townhall.com to see what they might be saying.
When I started this thread, I asked for examples praising President Trump, because I couldn't understand how anyone could be doing that. I'm noticing an interesting phenomenon, though. When it comes to anyone who actually comments on this stuff widely, no one seems to be praising Trump. They continue to bash Democrats, but they don't actually say that Trump is doing a great job. Some of the "second tier" blogs, i.e. widely read amateurs, sometimes give him some faint praise by noting his popularity, and how much that bugs the liberals. I also noticed today's search had significantly less denialism. Maybe when your nation moves to the top of the charts in cases, and is rapidly catching up on deaths, it becomes harder to deny there's a problem? The most common theme lately seems to be that those awful Democrats included pork barrel spending in the two trillion dollar bailout. |
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The Trumpers don't care that Trump lies. Facts don't exist anymore.
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I suspect it is a relative percentage rise, not that there are more people who approve of his leadership (if that's what you call it).
Sort of like this: You have 100 people surveyed. 45 say Trump is doing well, 55 say he is a pile of possum poop in a skin suit. Thus 45% (45/100) approve, 55% (55/100) disapprove. Enter COVID-19. Survey the same 100 people. Same 45 say Trump is doing well, 30 say they are rather busy right now with COVID-19 related issues, and 25 say he is still a pile of possum poop in a skin suit. Thus 64% (45/70) approval, while 36% (25/70) disapprove. His rating has gone up. |
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When you look at how the ratings of other presidents who have had to handle a crisis have gone up, Trump's approval is not that impressive.
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It's possible. I know that electoral polls are horribly skewed because some people are more likely to talk to pollsters than others, and there is a correlation with voting patterns. (Republicans are more likely to tell pollsters to take a hike, so the raw numbers skew toward Democrats.)
Another possibility is that the way they ask the question skews the numbers. If you ask me how Donald Trump is doing recently, there are days when I would say he is doing just fine, that day. If you catch me on one of those days, I might say fine, depending on how the question is phrased. Overall, though, it's definitely possum poop. |
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Trump called the Virus a hoax, he blamed poor preparations by other countries for the deaths they had. He said America should all be back at work by Easter. He called for New York to be quarantined. He called for social distancing then handed out pens.
People with Alzheimer's hold on to an opinion longer than Trump. . The best strategy will come out but large parts of America have bucked the trend, and not taken distancing seriously, or soon enough. I expect America to have a higher death rate than many other countries. The lack of leadership and the messages from Trump will be seen by by historians as being a contributing factor. His supporters however will remember the hits and talk about a difficult ever changing position. |
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From some FB observations:
One very smug meme that was going around declared to 'here to break it to all you of the morons who call themselves journalists', and goes on to inform us that COVID stands for 'Chinese Originated Viral Infectious Disease' and the 19 stands for the 19th virus to come out of China. Yeah, no. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/does-covid-stand-for/ Of course when that link was posted in reply the response came "bUt sNOpes hAs a lIBeRaL bIAs!!!!!!!11" A weaker meme running around is complaining that the DNC funded the Center for Arts or something, and voted congress a 25% pay raise while all this has been happening. Nearest thing about a pay raise I could find was back in June of 2019. Facts. Who needs 'em. |
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I'd seen it, and knew the "19" part of it was wrong, since I already knew the "19" referred to 2019 as the year of it's initial identification. Knowing that, I was reasonable sure the "COVID" part was likely wrong too, but not 100% sure.
Since I already ignore 99% of that nonsense when I see it, I did the same, but it did raise the question in my mind as to what the "COVID" part did mean, but I'd been too distracted by kids putting 2/3's of a roll of TP down the pipe in one sitting, and cleaning up the after effects, to give it any further thought or research. So, thanks, now I know. |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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These folks don't seem to care too much about the virus:
https://www.tmz.com/2020/03/29/chruc...virus-worship/ |
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No, he did not so please stop repeating this false claim. Not a single fact-finding source (Politifact, Snopes, FactCheck) supports that claim. He was referring to the Dems politicization of the virus crisis, not the virus itself. Facts matter. Repeat false claims and it only feeds into Trump's claims of "fake news".
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Another spotted RW meme:
"remember when the Swine Flu infected millions & the DOW crashed in 2009, and everyone blamed Obama? Me neither..." The DOW went up 40% over the entire period of the Swine Flu. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepat.../#7a826619448d |
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"Everyone" didn't blame Obama as the Dow crashed in 2008 before Obama became president. It began its long and steady climb in early March, 2009 less than 3 months after Obama's inauguration. Well...some right wingers like Republican economist Art Laffer have blamed Obama. Fact are just a nuisance to them that get in the way of what they want to believe.
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Also in the right wing buzz there is an awful lot of talk of hydroxycholorquine. Here's a headline today over at townhall.com.
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No, that is how some inferred it according to their own bias. However, there is no doubt that is exactly what that ad is implying.
Many Trumpers are beyond seeing anything that does not confirm their bias, but I'm also seeing that from many anti-Trumpers who cannot admit that the ad is misleading. I deplore misleading/lying ads no matter which side is producing them. |
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The ad only states that Trump did not take the virus seriously. The ad is accurate.
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The Trump apologists are sounding more and more like a mob lawyer trying to convince a jury that "Noooo... my client didn't threaten the shop owner, he just commented on how nice of a place the shop owner had and how much of a shame it would be if something happened to it..."
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No, it does not only state that. I suggest you watch the ad again.
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The ad is comprised mostly of snippets of Trump quotes. I'm not convinced that the ad is misleading at all. The message is that Trump didn't take it seriously.
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The rest of the ad does but "The coronavirus...it's their new hoax" has NOTHING to do with the message that Trump didn't take it seriously. It is intended to suggest that Trump called the virus a hoax. He did not no matter how you try and spin it.
Take off your bias blinders. Your world is not going to fall apart and your well founded dislike of Trump is not going to be undermined by admitting that part of the ad is misleading. There truly are none so blind as those who will not see. |
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Sigh. You are spinning this to fit your bias because you want it to be true so badly. That is being intellectually dishonest.
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