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29th March 2020, 04:49 PM | #121 |
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Oh my God does it matter?
"LOL Trump didn't say this exact thing..." What he said was still insane. I'm sick of the "Trump didn't say this horrible thing, he technically said his horrible thing" crap. The cruelty is the point, and the nitpicks are the method. |
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29th March 2020, 04:52 PM | #122 |
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The inclusion of "The Coronavirus" does serve this purpose; it shows Trumpy early on using the moniker before changing it to "The Chinese virus."
I agree that the concentenation of this phrase with the next is a kind of slimy underhandedness which I reflexively despise. But as I mooted upthread, in these perilous times such disjointed snippets of Trumpy's words, even if they invite less than truthful inferences, are necessary weapons to drive home to the cult the nature of their Chosen One. Besides. It's obvious (to me, anyway ) that the whole ad is a collection of brief snippets. To anyone who's been paying attention, Trump's words selected here recall the instances and the larger context from whence drawn. Each clip brings on a recollection of what was so enraging at the time first uttered. This ad does not create a false narrative; it reinforces that which must be remembered in this breathtaking pace of scandalous ineptitude, idiocy and outright scumbaggery. |
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It is not 'nitpicking' to point out a false claim that Trump said something that he did not say. Especially when it is being used to mislead the American people in a campaign ad.
When Trump is rightfully criticized for lying and misleading constantly, it is not nitpicking to point out when those critics engage in the same behavior themselves. If a Trump ad were to mischaracterize the Dem nominee in the same way, these same people would be howling from the roof tops in outrage. Trump's base has rightfully been accused of ignoring evidence and believing only that which they want to believe. Frankly, I think this is a classic example of some very strong anti-Trumpers engaging in the same willful blindness and intellectual dishonesty. |
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29th March 2020, 05:09 PM | #125 |
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Nope. This is nothing but another justification for misrepresenting what he actually said and meant. There was no need for it. The same effectiveness could have been easily achieved without resorting to this kind of manipulation.
It disappoints me when I see people with whom I mostly agree when it comes to the vile POS that is Trump doing the exact same thing they criticize Trump and his followers of doing. |
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I don't think I'm wearing bias blinders. I think it was intended to be two separate statements, that were obviously not part of the same sentence, and it isn't at all misleading. It's part of a series of statements that he made in an evolving series of constantly changing statements.
The "it's their new hoax" wasn't an isolated comment, either. It was a Republican talking point. Remember, the impeachment trial ended on February 5. Right wing radio was all over the "hoax" line as soon as that ended. The theme was that since they failed with impeachment, now they are saying he is bungling the coronavirus response. That message, that Trump was bungling the coronavirus response, was the "hoax". The ad implies nothing else. Obviously, Trump did not consider the virus itself a hoax. No one thinks he said that. However, the severity of the virus was a hoax, according to an awful lot of people, including Trump. The idea that the threat of coronavirus was greatly exaggerated, or even a hoax, was still prominent when I started this thread just a few days ago. Interestingly, though, this weekend, I have seen almost none of that. I think moving into the top position on the coronavirus leaderboard may have made some columnists rethink their positions. |
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In the same way that saying all the Jews just died natural deaths from working in the camps isn't holocaust denial, sure.
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It is misleading because Trump never called the virus a hoax which is clearly being implied. That Trump downplayed the seriousness of the virus is not disputed by me but that is not what that particular quote from the ad in addressing.
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29th March 2020, 07:02 PM | #134 |
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He claimed the democrats were politicizing the virus through exaggeration while he was stirring up a gaggle of morons by . . . politicizing the crisis while downplaying its severity.
Who is hoaxing here? ETA: I'd go with pathological liar. |
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29th March 2020, 07:44 PM | #135 |
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That can be interpreted in more than one way because "this" could refer to the virus, or to how the Democrats are criticizing incompetrump about it.
On the scale of misleading, this barely registers. But I agree with you for a slightly different reason. Just avoid the whole hoax issue altogether. It ads nothing and provides a significant distraction from the message. |
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29th March 2020, 09:13 PM | #137 |
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As I said in another thread a week or so ago, conservatism is a fundamental fear driven phenomenon. Conservatives as a whole are more afraid of basically everything than liberals, but the story doesn't end there. Uncertainty and fear actually make people lean more conservative. This wouldn't be the first time conservatives were responsible for the thing people were afraid of and benefited politically from the fear it instilled.
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29th March 2020, 09:24 PM | #138 |
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Anyone asked Wilbur Ross recently how awesome the virus has been for the US economy?
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29th March 2020, 09:27 PM | #139 |
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29th March 2020, 09:37 PM | #140 |
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Anyone want to claim that Trump didn't claim that Democrats overhyped the dangers of the epidemic in order to hurt him?
Anyone want to claim that Trump was right and Democrats were wrong when they were asking for more decisive steps to prepare? |
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29th March 2020, 09:46 PM | #141 |
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Trump supporters are trying to claim that the ad was saying Trump didn't think the virus existed at all, which clearly was not what the ad as saying. Rather, it was suggesting that Trump though the threat it represented was a hoax. There was an still is plenty of evidence to support the notion that Trump did not take the problem seriously, and this is something that can reasonably be summed up with "he thinks it's a hoax" |
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29th March 2020, 11:39 PM | #142 |
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Trump also said impeachment was a hoax when impeachment, both in general and specifically in Trump’s case, is a thing that actually exists.
Trump, him no use words good. |
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29th March 2020, 11:42 PM | #143 |
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But that's the hoax! This is why the ad is misleading!
If you criticize the president's actions, it's a hoax. If you contradict him with facts, it's fake news. If you doubt his competence or sanity, you are the incompetent or insane one. If you aren't loyal to him, you are a traitor. And if none of that sticks - he was only joking! Covid-19 isn't the only virus that has infected this country. There's another one that's far more dangerous, and it's been here since 2016. |
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29th March 2020, 11:44 PM | #144 |
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Remember that the word "hoax" is actually a Trump catch-all descriptor for anything that runs contra to his own made-up tiny mind. He cannot stand anyone or anything who defies him. But since he hasn't got the knowledge to argue against something, the easiest way out is to label it as something he CAN satisfactorily dismiss without further effort. It's a really dumb version of straw-manning.
So whatever it is, if he calls it a hoax, he has no idea what it is but he hates it. |
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Simply put:
It doesn't matter what word(s) the Ballbag uses, or how the Ballbag uses them. The point is that so long as his word salads are somehow badmouthing and sticking it to the libruls, the Ballbag will continue to have the support of 40% - 50% of the country. These IQ-challenged meatbags have their anointed messiah who thinks and talks just like them. Gods, guns, and getting libruls... nothing else matters. |
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30th March 2020, 05:32 AM | #146 |
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Four new columns at patriot.us today. (This is the site I had previously referred to as the "federalist" site, because federalist.com redirects there.)
The themes: 1. Trump was right about China 2. We should trust God, instead of man, specifically instead of medical experts whose projections are uncertain and changing. 3. Californians are wisely exercising their second amendment rights by buying guns. 4. Trump is not a dictator. The last two were videos and I didn't watch them, so I'm guessing somewhat at their content based on the introductory text. Just last Thursday, when this thread started, the primary theme was denialism. I think yesterday's news conference put the final nail in that argument, although I'm sure there will still be some stragglers clinging to it. |
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Update:
My wife went to the ER on Friday and was admitted with pneumonia. She stayed in the hospital for 2 days. She ended up testing negative for COVID, but you know, that really doesn't matter. She still had something nasty that gave her pneumonia and a fever for 4 days. That it wasn't COVID is not much of a consolation. Fortunately she is home and out of isolation. |
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I'm happy to hear that your wife tested negative. I wish her a speedy recovery at home now.
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How long before all states are going to be forced to enact and enforce laws to maintain social distancing?
I have seen at least two recent examples of churches holding large gatherings in the last week. This is ridiculous. That will only ensure that this lasts longer than it needs to last. And also not to just seem like I am picking on religious groups, but there have been too many instances of idiotic spring breakers gathering at beaches and whatnot thinking they are immune because they are young and have "strong immune systems" (a quote from some bikini clad beach goer I just saw on CNN). What is wrong with people? How can someone not take this seriously at this point? |
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I'm not. As I said, I take absolutely no consolation in that negative result. She was still very sick and spent 2 days in the hospital being treated for pneumonia. I'm relieved she is home, but certainly not happy about anything. Covid or not, this all sucks.
That's one thing I think is important to remember: with all this covid stuff, we need to remember there is still normal crap going around, including colds, flu or something other. My wife tested negative for everything they looked for. She was still sick enough to need hospitalization. |
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30th March 2020, 07:28 AM | #151 |
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How can someone not see that Trump is the ultimate scumbag?
How can someone think that a deity will protect them? How can someone believe in conspiracy theories? How can some overdose on Chloroquine or drink Methanol and think that this will protect them? The answer to all of these and many other questions is the same: There will never be a shortage of it. |
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I hear you. My father in law has late stage lung cancer. He is still at home and goes to the hospital for his chemo treatments, but he is now showing signs of liver failure. He has not been admitted yet, but my wife fears that may happen any day now. If he is admitted during all of this, she fears he will pass alone in a hospital where his loved ones will be unable to visit him.
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30th March 2020, 08:02 AM | #153 |
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Watching the FB I see the tactic now is to blame, blame, and attack anyone but Trump. Obama is being blamed for not replacing N95 filters after a previous outbreak, Cuomo is being attacked for a budget issue that has nothing to do with COVID-19 issues. Generic complaints about Obama's recover being 'anemic', etc.etc.
So we are mostly back to the old Trump protection antics. |
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Unfortunately, COVID-19 doesn't select for stupid ********.
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30th March 2020, 10:42 AM | #157 |
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https://www.alternet.org/2020/03/som...berals-report/
Some Trumpanzees are literally putting their health and lives at risk just to stick it to the liberals. It would be funny if they weren't risking many innocent lives as well with their idiocy. |
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