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1st April 2020, 11:31 AM | #241 |
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1st April 2020, 11:38 AM | #243 |
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1st April 2020, 11:49 AM | #246 |
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I don't give a **** about the technical wording. Save the "It's not champagne it's sparkling wine" crap.
My point stands. Blocking off/restricted a geographical area during a pandemic is perfectly logical. Doing that but letting specific nationality still pass through as if the virus cares about that is not. |
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1st April 2020, 12:16 PM | #247 |
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It seems that Nunes has a lot to say, and as usual it's moronic:
"Let's stop looking at the death counters and let's talk about how we can keep as many people employed as possible," Nunes told Fox anchor Laura Ingraham. "That's the key right now, Laura, because if you don't, what you said earlier is correct. When you have people staying at home, not taking care of themselves, you will end up with a hell of a lot more people dying by other causes than you will by the coronavirus." "I mean, look, the schools were just canceled out here in California which is way overkill," he added. "It's possible kids could've went back to school in two weeks to four weeks but they just canceled the rest of the schools." And then there was this: "If we don't start to get people back to work in this country over the next week to two weeks, I don't believe we can wait until the end of April. I just don't know of any economy that's ever survived where you unplug the entire economy and expect things to go back and be normal." http://www.internationalskeptics.com...=342831&page=7 |
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1st April 2020, 02:54 PM | #250 |
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Interesting that teh Trump Cultsts here want criticism of Trump to stop, but say nothing abou Trump his unceasing attacks on political opponents.
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1st April 2020, 02:56 PM | #251 |
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1st April 2020, 03:12 PM | #252 |
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"Technical wording" crap? It was you, not me, who brought up the importance of technical wording with "people coming from China" vs "Chinese people". So why get so hot under the collar? Could it be because I showed that you were incorrect?
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Did you notice that Americans could still get the virus while in China, and despite literally being "people coming from China" as they returned to the US, they were not screened or quarantined in any way? Same thing with Europeans traveling from China to the US (for a couple weeks), or Canadians traveling from China to the US, or Mexicans, or South Americans, or...well, you get the picture. The ban was exclusively for Chinese people...not people coming from China.
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1st April 2020, 04:07 PM | #255 |
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No, sorry that isn't accurate. This is what the order said:
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1st April 2020, 04:34 PM | #258 |
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What part of "all aliens" and "exemptions" do you not understand? Maybe this will help:
a·li·en adjective belonging to a foreign country or nation ex·emp·tion noun: exemption; plural noun: exemptions the process of freeing or state of being free from an obligation or liability imposed on others Do you want to claim that "aliens" do not include people of all nationalities other than the US? Do you see any exclusions for Germans, Swiss, Canadians or any other nationals who may have been in China? I'm happy to engage in an honest and sincere discussion but if you'd rather not as indicated by your comment, I'll bow out. |
1st April 2020, 04:49 PM | #259 |
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Except that Trump didn't need "hindsight". He had the entire intelligence apparatus of the United States at his disposal. And we know for a fact that they were warning him back in January that this was going to be a problem. And he chose to ignore that. He chose to ignore that. HE chose to ignore that. And of course, you will chose to ignore this, won't you? No accountability, no responsibility, 10/10, "perfect" response, why do you hate America? |
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1st April 2020, 05:44 PM | #260 |
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Here's a headline from townhall.com tonight:
"FLASHBACK: Remember When the Mainstream Media Compared the Wuhan Coronavirus to the Flu?" It gave examples of the media comparing coronavirus to the flu. The author seemed to think he had a point. |
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As we all agree that American citizens were not prevented from traveling to the US from China, I'm not sure what your complaint is. If American citizens traveling from China are not banned, then the ban is not against "people coming from China." Your nitpicking notwithstanding, the virus entered the US by way of an American citizen who was not banned, screened, or quarantined. He wasn't symptomatic, he went to get a screening after hearing about a health alert.
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1st April 2020, 06:35 PM | #263 |
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What you call 'nitpicking' is being accurate and countering a false claim that Trump's ban was 'racist' because it was directed only at Chinese.
If one has the ability to comprehend what the actual order says and to put their bias blinders aside, it's clear that it was not directed only at the Chinese, but at any "alien" traveling from China to the US. The only exemptions were for US citizens/legal residents and their families and those specifically invited into the US like experts. As for how the virus first came to the US is not known. The first diagnosed case was the man you refer to in your link. That does not mean he brought it into the country first. Many people who test positive and are contagious are asymptomatic. They are never diagnosed with the virus. Additionally, you are assuming he was "American" when the link says nothing about his nationality, but it does say he was "visiting family in China". The chances are he was Chinese who may or may not have been a US citizen. I live in an area where there are a huge amount of Chinese nationals working in the high tech industry and a Chinese owned plant. |
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The fact that it hit people who were not Chinese does not mean it wasn't directed at Chinese.
But this is all completely silly anyway. Who cares if it was racist? The point is that it wasn't effective, because there were lots of people who were in Wuhan, but were allowed to return without quarantine or isolation. It seems reasonable to ask why American citizens were treated differently than foreign nationals, but that's really a secondary consideration. The fact is that the much touted travel restrictions had big, gaping, holes in them. |
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1st April 2020, 06:59 PM | #267 |
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It was directed at people who were coming from the main source of the virus. It had nothing to do with their race.
On the date of the order, China alone had about 10,000 confirmed cases while only 114 cases had been confirmed outside China spread among 122 countries. It was completely logical to target those coming in from China.
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How effective it was in keeping down even more contagious carriers coming into the country we cannot know. We cannot know how many more people would have been infected and/or died. Anyone returning was supposed to be screened. Whether they were or not is another topic.
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1st April 2020, 07:05 PM | #268 |
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Exactly what have I said that is a 'legal' nitpick? Identify it.
It's fact vs non-fact, truth vs non-truth. The fact is, I've been able to counter every single one of the false claims that have been made with evidence by quoting the actual order. In response, I get accusations of "nitpicking". Why? Because no one has anything else. Take off the political blinders that require every accusation against Trump to be supported. That is what we who detest Trump accuse his supporters of doing. I will not do the same because that makes me no better than them. There is enough to condemn Trump for that has merit. This ain't one of them. |
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Ah, yes....and yet you still replied and claimed my posts were "legal " nitpicks. Seems to me that the 'NOBODY. CARES.' retort is a last refuge because you can't identify anything I've said as a 'legal' nitpick. Nor can you counter my arguments. Sorry if you can't handle being wrong.
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If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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2nd April 2020, 09:40 AM | #279 |
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Hindsight is "I did everything perfect" to Trump. Doesn't matter what actually did happen.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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