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Over at townhall.com today there's an article about Dan Crenshaw (R- Tex) and his comments about lack of preparedness. He echoes a complaint that I've seen recently a few times, which is that the Strategic National Stockpile was not replenished following the H1N1 epidemic. The Obama administration didn't do what needed to be done, according to the current narrative.
I've seen this often enough, and it struck me as odd, so I decided to look it up, and found this article: https://www.propublica.org/article/u...ed-coronavirus Summary: The Obama White House budget proposals included money to replenish the stockpiles. The GOP House of Representatives stripped that funding out. |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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4th April 2020, 07:48 AM | #338 |
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I will give Trump just a little bit of rope here, because the early going was a slew of misinformation coming out of China and the WHO. Trump didn't prepare anything because we were all being told there was nothing to prepare for. The SARS scare of 2003-04 turned out to be nothing, so that's what EVERYONE (ie: not just Trump) was expecting.
I'm even extending this pass to our governor, King Andy Cuomo, who I absolutely despise. No one really expected this level of intensity in the early going. Even our medical briefs at our fire department were rather low-key and mainly simple discussions on mitigating spread of germs. I'm not opposing blame for Trump's slow response. But I DO recall people bashing the living crap out of him for OVERreacting. This coming from the blue side. There are several articles from blue media sources in late January predicting doom and gloom as they felt Trump was going to overreacted to this.
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I missed those articles, apparently.
I remember complacency. I don't remember any fear of overreaction. I remember a lot of fear of underreaction, and complaints Trump wasn't doing enough. That was the "hoax" that Trump talked about, and that was all over right wing media. Maybe if I watched MSNBC or routinely read salon.com, I might have seen this, but I don't remember any of it. |
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Big nope, factually incorrect and everything that flows from your belief that Trump 'was being told there was nothing to prepare for' is fatally flawed. US Intelligence agencies and his own cabinet was trying to convince him of how serious the threat was back in early January. Cuomo wasn't being given briefings from US Intelligence on this the entire year. Trump was. I can blame Cuomo for not having enough foresight, but when SO MUCH of that was failure to foresee how HORRIBLE the administration and federal government response would be, I can't even pretend for the sake of harmony that it's not a ridiculous comparison.
Further, lots of people keep claiming that Trump was 'heavily criticized' that what he did do was 'racist over-reaction' yet can never actually cite anyone important arguing that. Again, it just doesn't matter how stupid the 'very blue' people around you (who re-elected Chris Collins while it was clear he was committing felonies in office) are being. It doesn't lift a bit of blame from Trump's maladministration. Your argument is a literal tu quoque. And we can blame Trump more because he's the one with the governmental power. I won't blame people for not using power they don't have, but I will blame people for not using a power they do have. I can blame the people not following the protocols that would help combat this AND I can blame Trump for not issuing these protocols nationally, dismantling our institutions and forcing our competent officials, ending the pandemic coordination with China, disbanding the pandemic response council, not renewing the national stockpile with the additional money the GOP gave him, not renewing the maintenance contract on the ventilators in the federal stockpile leaving many of them inoperable, not coordinating the supply chains, not helping companies by relieving their fiduciary responsibilities by using the DSA, sabotaging the ACA to get MILLIONS off of health insurance, I mean how long a list do you want? There's even more! I mean, those fifteen cases were going to go to zero very quickly because that what Trump was being told, even though the expert at that exact same conference said that was not going to be the case. They all play politics? Try reading the stuff Trump has written and then make that claim with a straight face again. Not even the stuff he says off the cuff; premeditated on White House letter-head writings. No, 'both sides' don't suck equally. One is orders of magnitude worse than the other. It doesn't matter how much false balance people wish existed, the evidence is clean. This isn't a close call. Call it whatever you want, the facts are the facts. Trump and his enablers deserves more blame than 'the other side'. |
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Trump was asked about the Pandemic Team shortly after it was disbanded - he could have reinstated it.
Trump's cardinal sin of his entire presidency is to not staff the government with competent people or, in many cases, anyone at all. |
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And just to make this point even clearer, one of the big reasons the US has spent so much money and time on building up a world-wide intelligence service is because we know for a fact that a lot of countries, specifically including China, lie all the time. We simply cannot rely solely on the information they give us. We have people in place who's whole job is to try to see through the BS, and provide the president with the most accurate information they can. For the president to then ignore that information, in preference to believing what China was telling him, is a complete waste of everything we've ever invested in that intelligence service. It's literally the exact opposite of what should have happened. |
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4th April 2020, 01:38 PM | #346 |
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You're trying to justify the point that people aren't responsible. Trump and his troop DID screw up. That's not what I'm getting at.
RIGHT NOW, people of all types are making this worse. It's not the Trumpers spreading this, it's everyone...and I'd say it's spread is caused by more blue than reds. You can't have it both ways. Trump screwed up, yes, but people are well aware of the risks now and I see a blatant, arrogant, and ignorant disregard of fellow humans simply to go out and pick up the last roll of toilet paper or last box of poptarts. The title of this thread implies that the Trumpers have to be saying something stupid. Maybe they are. My first post was pointing out the hypocrisy here. I see, first hand, how people are reacting. Based on my experiences dealing with the blue and red public is that everyone is stupid even with the facts staring at them in the face. I am curious on how much different this may have been had Trump, proactively or retroactively, acted in a more responsible manner. Based on the completely irresponsible and stupid population I see daily, I'm not seeing how it could be different. And it doesn't really matter now, but while I cannot find any articles, I do recall very vividly CNN affiliates on SiriusXM channels ripping into Trump for overreacting early on. They trash him constantly for every breath he takes, so I tend to find it necessary to defend him now and then. The situation here is one of those times. Permit me to use an analogy: Trump fumbled the ball, but now the public just keeps kicking it away from him. We'll never find the endzone as long as the public continues to be irresponsible. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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Accurate stats are hard to come by, but the few polls that I see suggest that the "reds" are more likely to discount the danger and complain about and/or reject social distancing requirements.
On the other hand, I've seen an awful lot of press in the last week about gatherings in Detroit in defiance of the social distancing orders. Detroit is a huge center of coronavirus activity right now, and there aren't a lot of Trump voters there. To your overall point, though, I believe you are correct. Right now, at this moment, I don't see horrible handling by Trump and company, which means that right now the people who continue to spread it are to blame, and those people are not public officials, or strongly political. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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Bollocks. You're either very, very ignorant of reality or just lying.
Trump issues this order on 11MAR (not 14MAR as you inaccurately state) The full timeline of Trump's travel bans is (FYI): 31JAN China and Hong Kong SAR 29FEB Iran 11MAR Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland Note that the UK and Ireland are not included. Trump further stated that the UK was going a "good job" with the outbreak. 13MAR Those returning to the USA were funneled to thirteen airports which experienced overcrowding, inability to handle the numbers and day long delays. 16MAR UK and Ireland added to ban list. 19MAR US State Department issues "Do Not Travel" notice. 21MAR US borders with Mexico and Canada closed. |
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One of Trump's truly stupid remarks today:
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4th April 2020, 08:38 PM | #359 |
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Geeze, try looking for your source here:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...coronavirus-2/ It's on page 5 and the date of the order is March 14th as I have said before and I'm now saying again with the direct supporting evidence of my statement linked above at whitehouse.gov, not some pundit website, this is a US Government official website. Chris B. |
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...l-coronavirus/
So what really happened is that on March 11, an order was issued where the UK and Ireland were exempt. On March 14, the order was revised, and the UK and Ireland were no longer exempt. |
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