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The Trump Presidency: Part 21
We're stocking up today after work. I generally eat a low carb, high protein diet. Not having any meats would cause huge issues.
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13th April 2020, 10:29 AM | #2 |
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13th April 2020, 10:34 AM | #3 |
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George W. Bush in 2005: 'If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare'
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13th April 2020, 10:37 AM | #4 |
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Americans eat way too much meat already. Hopefully this will help us change our bad habits.
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I don't think that really makes a difference to many, but everyone has their own opinions.
I don't know that there are really any issues with eating meat, in general, are there? I know eating too much red meat can cause digestive problems, but I eat mostly chicken, turkey, and pork chops. |
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13th April 2020, 10:49 AM | #7 |
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker
And that’s what made me go looking for better evidence. The right-wing boards are exploding with all sorts of allegations against Dr. Fauci. Our president has a backbone of overcooked pasta so I’d be surprised if Dr. F. had a federal job next Monday. |
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13th April 2020, 10:59 AM | #9 |
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From the old thread:
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So, let me get this straight, when your opponents decide of their own accord to stop beating up on you, that suddenly makes you "strong". Okay, then. |
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13th April 2020, 11:32 AM | #11 |
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We're running into a related problem at work. We manufacture cleaning products, disinfectants and sanitizers, and a big part of our business is chemicals for cleaning equipment in food processing plants. Food plants have an established procedure for cleaning and sanitizing their equipment, but a sanitizer for use on food contact surfaces is typically only going to be tested for efficacy against the bacteria that are an issue for food plants and will only achieve log 5 reduction (99.999%). Sanitizers use a lower level of active ingredient to ensure that any residue is below the limits set as safe for human consumption, removing the need for a post-sanitizing water rinse. A product tested against viruses and which achieves full disinfection would have to be followed with a potable water rinse of all food contact surfaces, increasing the time needed for the cleaning procedures and reducing production. The higher concentration of active ingredients needed would also make the disinfectants more expensive than the sanitizers currently being used. |
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When there's a choice between 1) This product has documented efficacy data against bacteria, but should probably destroy the virus; and 2) This product has documented efficacy data against other enveloped viruses or more durable non-enveloped viruses, and is very likely to destroy the virus; people are probably going to err on the side of caution and choose (2), particularly for locations like food plants or schools. |
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Trump Tweets
First the Fake News Media said that it’s not fair for the President of the United States to be giving news conferences, but it is the only way I can reach the American People, as seen in the below poll. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...766215/photo/1 (picture of a chart) |
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13th April 2020, 01:52 PM | #16 |
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I've seen no such statements from the media. What I've seen is criticism of how Trump is presenting his briefings. There's been criticism of his giving false/misleading information, of turning them into grievance rants, attacks, etc., but nothing saying it's not fair to have a news conferecence.
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13th April 2020, 02:05 PM | #18 |
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And using the pressers as campaign rallies is also wrong.
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But your post seemed to imply that plants don't want to take on the additional trouble and expense of using proven anti-viral procedures. Are they biting the bullet and doing it anyway, or just using the anti-bacterial stuff and hoping for the best? Are there federal or state regulations that apply?
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This particular virus (if I understand it all correctly) has an envelope protecting it which is made of lipids. AKA fats. Soap attacks and breaks down fats, which means that the protective envelope is destroyed, and the viral material cannot survive without it unless it has reached and invaded the right kind of cell. Soap will work against viruses and bacteria which depend on a lipid envelope. But not on ones which don't. Conversely, sanitizers which do not break down that lipid envelope won't be particularly efficacious. But might work for others with protective envelopes which are not comprised of lipids. In other words, not all sanitizers are created equal. I may not have that right. I welcome correction. Here's a link to an article which discusses the soap thing. |
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Now, he's gas-lighting the american people again. It's disgusting.
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They are disinfecting. I just meant that the extra time and cost could be a contributing factor to them closing down instead. We had to revise the label of one of the sanitizers from our food sanitation line to include disinfection at a much higher use rate because our disinfectants are in a different product line that food plants normally don't buy. |
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Wow. Trump really went off on a reporter who dared asked him about his delayed response to virus warnings. Per his usual, it was 'fake news', 'bad ratings' rhetoric. I thought he was going to have a stroke. Then he went on a long spiel on everything he's done right, refusing to say he made any mistakes. Trouble is, he lies so often and so much that anything he says I disbelieve unless proved correct. He repeated much of the same old lines which have become standard for him, too, such as "we've tested more people than anyone else", "no one who needed a ventilator didn't get one" blah blah blah.
He also, once again, claimed he had the ultimate authority to reopen the country. NO. HE. DOESN'T. ETA: When asked exactly what gives him the authority over the states he claimed he'd give them a list 'later'. uh huh. He said, "I am in charge" over the states. The man is delusional. He thinks he can actually order states to open schools, businesses, etc. Dumbass. |
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OOOhhhh the presser going on right now...
I just tuned in and CNN cut away at that moment because The PDJT began to show a propaganda film, then cut back after a few minutes, and he was yelling at a reporter. For the next several minutes, in fact. I liked seeing that the journalists are now firing back more strongly and not letting him get away with ******** (when they can interject). But he was pissed! I can only hope that journalists get more ruthless with their questioning. |
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The dump bitch just said again that he inherited broken testing. What a dumbass. There was no testing for a novel virus because it's novel. The tests didn't exist because the virus hadn't been identified until three years in the into the moron's term. He's a liar and stupid one.
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LOL! I suggest you do some fact checking. I fact check all the time and so does a lot of the media. Trump does not come off well.
Try looking up if Trump has the power to force governors or mayors to end the lockdown, open schools, etc. He doesn't. Go on. Do it. Trump just said "When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total. And that's the way it's going to be. It's total, it's total." What the hell!? |
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Watching these daily press conferences on a daily basis is bad for my mental health, but I do it anyway.
Our dear leader, in his garbled word salads, loves to constantly switch back and forth between "we" and "they." Whenever something good was done, it's "we" (meaning him.) Conversely, the negatives are attributed to "them" (Pelosi, Democratic governors, etc.) When is he going to get the memo that "we" IS "them", and we're all in it together? This is the problem with the stupid "run the country like a business" mentality; you're only worried about your position at the end of the day. |
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What? That must be Fake News! Of course the coronavirus was known to Obama and it's HIS fault that he didn't have tests available for it! Obama left "bare shelves" for poor Trump in the national stockpile as Trump said again today.
Hey, ChrisBFRPKY...you might want to do a little 'fact checking' on that. Here, let me help: Politifact: FALSE Factcheck.org : FALSE |
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“The power of the President is total.”
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