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13th April 2020, 06:51 PM | #81 |
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I agree that the ban was on all aliens, not just Chinese nationals, who had been to China in the last couple of weeks. But it was an ineffective ban because there were so many exemptions that it had as many holes as Swiss cheese. Chinese nationals were allowed to come in as long as they were legal residents, the spouse of a legal resident, the parent, guardian, or sibling of a legal resident or a foreign government official or immediate family member of an official.
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13th April 2020, 07:00 PM | #82 |
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Reading Comprehension 101.
That wording in the title should have meant EVERY PERSON from ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD who posed a risk, not just China. But it didn't. 40,000 people from China somehow didn't qualify to be stopped after this ban. Why? Are US Border Security so lax? Or was the active parts of the proclamation not what was in the title... You sank nothing, my friend. |
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13th April 2020, 07:01 PM | #83 |
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Which didn't apply to US citizens or a long list of various categories of non-citizens, including such precise classifications as "any alien whose entry would be in the national interest" or "any alien whose entry would not pose a significant risk of introducing, transmitting, or spreading the virus". |
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13th April 2020, 07:08 PM | #85 |
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13th April 2020, 07:20 PM | #86 |
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13th April 2020, 07:23 PM | #87 |
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I think this photo is from Monday's press conference. Sometimes photos are misleading but Trump looks like the stress is really beginning to wear on him. He's very isolated from other people, even the ones who support him. That's not very healthy.
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13th April 2020, 07:36 PM | #88 |
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Well you can't lock US citizens out of their home Country. That's why they sent planes for them to bring them home. Of course they were subject to quarantine but hey at least most are home now.
The fact remains the travel restrictions have saved lives. I fully realize many will try to turn the conversation away from this point to take some sort of shot against President Trump. If it makes you feel good fire away. After all you're alive and can do so, but just maybe you wouldn't be without Trump. Chris B. |
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While it is amusing to watch the tangerine fool flail about helplessly as he shipwrecks yet another "big business venture" due to his own utter incompetence, there is also the realisation that a tired and emotional Trump is more likely to make dangerous and even more lunatic decisions that will negatively affect even more people. He really needs to be sidelined, not just for his own well-being but for everyone else's.
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Haha! That's going in the humour thread!
Can you just for a split second think about what would have happened if Obama had made a statement like that? Republicans and right-side media would have been screaming. Double standard pieces of ****. He'll be enjoying China taking the piss out of him on top of everything else. |
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His neckballs were really prominent today. Must have missed his wattle-tightening treatment.
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13th April 2020, 07:53 PM | #93 |
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How?
How did they save lives? The virus is here. It is not being spread by Chinese people, or by people who had been to China. What did the travel restrictions accomplish? The epidemic would have gotten rolling in February instead of March? And? Explain this to us. How did the travel restrictions save lives? Just to remind you, I have said they were a good idea. I think they were the right thing to do. However, I don't think they saved lives. You think they did, so explain how. |
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13th April 2020, 08:28 PM | #98 |
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It's not too difficult to accept that with fewer infected people coming into the country, fewer people were infected.
I expected as much. Travel ban from Europe maybe? Ireland, the UK? Stuff like that. I realize you need to believe the President is doing poorly, but he's just not. It is intellectually dishonest to point fingers and say he should have done this or that, hindsight is always 20/20. However that said I realize it is still no comfort to those who can't stand the President or his supporters. Perhaps those folks can imagine what Joe Biden would have done to protect them in January given he's a fair judge of xenophobes and all. Or perhaps Nancy Pelosi? Hug a Chinese person etc.....How clever. Chris B. |
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13th April 2020, 08:39 PM | #101 |
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I agree, and most of those folks were running around NYC infecting as many people as they could. Why would they do that? And why are the massive infections located within Democrat population centers? It's like Democrats were individually targeted. NYC has lost more people than most Countries.
It was already here. I expect we would have seen more infections if the virus had daily plane loads of reinforcements though. Chris B. |
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Population density.
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13th April 2020, 09:01 PM | #104 |
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Doomed to fail before it starts doesn't seem to stop Trump from making bad polciy.
Based on? A virus doesn't need "reinforcement". Once present they spread at a rate based on the environment they find themselves in. |
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13th April 2020, 09:06 PM | #105 |
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This President could have done much more much sooner to prepare for the coming crisis, and instead rejected warnings from his own staff and publlcly claimed that there was no problem, which discouraged others from taking it seriously, too. Read some of the latest reports and get back to us.
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It's likely worth pointing out, again, that first, the major airlines stopped their flights. Only after that did Trump order a travel ban. Even though it can be called a travel ban, the terms were so loose that, what was it... at least 2000 people were allowed to fly here from China during that immediate period? 40K since then? There's more that could be said, but... while Trump does get credit for doing it at all, the credit is extremely small, given the actual circumstances at hand, and overwhelmingly outweighed by nigh everything else, given that he's done nigh everything else horribly wrong. Hmm? From that -
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13th April 2020, 09:19 PM | #107 |
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Sure. Nowhere close to as many as advertised, though. They were weak, late, measures weren't actually taken to deal with elsewhere in anywhere close to a timely manner, to the point where there's stories of known COVID cases just being allowed into the country without restriction, tracking, screening, or otherwise even trying to address the situation, and Trump caused quite a bit of panic with the way he did the Europe ban, for example, which was so very, very late that it pretty much had no chance of doing practically anything positive (and could well have actually made things worse than they would have been because of how badly it was handled).
Funny thing about that. Remember how the European countries with Trump properties like Ireland and the UK were specifically exempted from the Europe travel ban, despite having significantly more cases than many of the other countries banned and Trump trying to pass off the reason as them having practically no cases? |
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13th April 2020, 10:34 PM | #108 |
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This is the same poster who claimed the early Euro ban affected the UK when it didn't. Yes, the UK was added later but IIRC the poster refused to acknowledge that this was a later order.
I'll call out Trump opponents for this kind of manipulation when that occurs too. Reciting the title of the China order and acting as if it were a ban may have been dishonest but may simply be a function of where he gets his news. But in Trump's defense, I don't really think he has the option of banning U.S. citizens from the U.S., despite his claim of total authority. Pretty sure he could order a quarantine though. |
13th April 2020, 10:44 PM | #109 |
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Yep, where were plenty of vectors but I don't think the ban was useless. It probably did work to a certain extent.
Just as the airlines acted before Trump, the NCAA, NBA and MLB sounded the alarm before he did. With those organizations taking such a hit in revenue I knew it was serious. |
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Quarantine, screening, testing, and probably a bunch more. I'm honestly not going to go hard on Trump about people being allowed to come over in the first place, of course, but I do find the attempt by Trump and his sycophants to incredibly overstate how bold and effective Trump's few positive actions have been while trying to ignore the mountain of bad things that Trump and his Administration have done to be disingenuous, at best, with too much of the rest of the GOP taking their lead from them.
Instituting a travel ban *after* all the major airlines already stopped flights is not bold. It's not particularly meaningful. Much like invoking the DPA to handle things only after GM/Ventec already got everything handled and had just given up on waiting for the White House to actually do its job isn't bold or meaningful. |
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Why has the US surged ahead of the rest of the world in total infection numbers? And remember that the US had a bit more warning than most, what with the ball getting rolling later there than in other hotspots round the globe. When the dust settles, I wonder how her per capita infection rate will compare. Already it dwarfs that of China, unless the Chinese are under-reporting by a factor of six or more...
That the "Greatest nation" is seemingly doing worse that the *originating* country points a sternly accusing finger at a criminally incompetent leadership. |
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Ahh, right. Just because this is... special.
Sorry, Chris, we're not like right-wing propaganda addicts. I truly, honestly, wish that Trump had done a good job, and would have been very happy to put "handled a nasty pandemic well" into the unhappily small list of actually positive things that he's done. I have been quite happy, like I ever am, to offer praise for good things done, while keeping that separate from criticisms for bad things done. Indeed, I have offered praise all along when I see him do actually good things. Trump ****** this up, though, so very, very badly. Trump and his administration did like a dozen major things to sabotage the US' ability to respond to a pandemic well before all this. Trump was still trying to structurally sabotage the ability to respond long after he was informed of the danger of COVID-19. Trump was directly informed of the danger of COVID-19 back on December 22. The much vaunted Chinese travel ban was in late January. Other than the travel ban, Trump derailed and stopped the attempts to actually do things to respond until the stock market crashed. Even then, it took until mid-March for federal agencies to start actually getting in gear. By mid-March, South Korea already had it pretty well contained. On the testing front, to offer a comparison - under the Obama Administration, in the first month after a disease event had its first known case, a million tests were created and deployed. For the Trump Administration? After about 2 months, a mere 30K people had been tested because of the Trump Administration screwing things up that badly. Of note, Trump was outright refusing to accept something like 200K tests offered during that time and openly stated that he liked the numbers low. Lots more can be said on the testing front, but Trump managed to utterly waste the window of opportunity to minimize the spread and contain the problem as he adopted a strategy of downplaying the problem and hoping that the problem would just go away, while outright encouraging the sale of necessary supplies to other countries to take advantage of the rising cost of necessary supplies. There's lots and lots more that can be said, but the really short summation is that Trump is getting criticism because he's done an absurdly terrible job. Not the worst on the planet, sure, but we're the USA! By just about every measure, we absolutely should be handling this better than pretty much any other country in the world! AND leading the world to get through this crisis! Instead? We've got a massive mess, absurdly huge amounts of taxpayer dollars being utterly wasted, and the world seeing us as an example of what not to do (if not outright evil as they think that necessary supplies are being outright stolen from them en route) because Trump and the GOP have ****** it up so bad. |
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Previously posted my theory, a solid D. In summary:
Dying elephant fart passed virus to trophy elephant tail grabbing big game hunter, who incubated the disease for years - similar environment after all (giant rectal orifice), until the poor viruses couldn't take it anymore and hopped to some Chinese garment factory representatives begging audience with his sister. |
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I'd ask for a citation for that claim but we both know you don't have one. It's what I call an arsefact because that's where it's pulled from.
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Let's see if I can walk you through this: 1. Urban areas tend to be largely Democrats while rural areas tend to be Republican. 2. Urban areas are densely populated while rural areas are not. 3.Large cities tend to have a lot of commuters traveling some distance on crowded public transportation that rural areas do not. 4. Covid 19 spreads from person to person by close contact to an infected person. (See where this is going?) 5. Cities, regardless of being Democrat or Republican, will always have the highest number of cases/deaths from a highly contagious virus. I know Trump has said Covid 19 is "very smart" but guess what? Viruses don't think. They are neither smart nor stupid. They don't know the political leanings of the bodies they infect.
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There was a lot of misinformation about the virus coming from China and the WHO. I wouldn't say that New Yorkers infecting each other was an "arsefact" as alternatively you'd have to argue that every new case of Covid-19 arrived on a plane. I suspect the large scale infection was due to the early misinformation about the virus. However, Coastal cities have been hardest hit in the US.
I suppose it could be horribly bad luck that these particular cities are marked in Blue during elections but whatever the reason I'm sure glad to be in a "flyover state". It's difficult to accept but this virus may end up making a change to voter demographics in some areas. We will get thru this. Our economy will bounce back as Globalism has finally been revealed for what it is, a shortage of vital interests. I expect to see many major startups and many products that were made elsewhere before will be made in the USA again after all is said and done. Chris B. |
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Well...this is tangential, but a bit relevant to what you just said, conveniently.
Trump Campaign Sues Small Wisconsin TV Station Over Critical Super PAC Ad Yup. The Trump campaign is on the attack in relation to that Priorities USA ad. For the fun of it from that, though...
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The deaths certainly aren't enough to tip the electoral scales and polling indicates that the governors who took decisive action early on, maintained their credibility and kept the public informed aren't suffering politically.
The Trumptrash governors however aren't doing so well. DeSantis in Florida is taking it in the shorts. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...mp-doesnt-get/ Being as DeSantis went on record many times saying he was taking his ques from the Stupid Bitch in Chief, that might be a problem for Trump and his Trumptrash in November. |
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