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14th April 2020, 07:09 AM | #1 |
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I’m still highly salty about Texas declaring all abortion services non-essential. Nice job with de facto outlawing there.
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14th April 2020, 09:37 AM | #3 |
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It's a complete distortion of the concept of "essential services." Essential services are those that need to be done now, because they can't wait until later. Grocery stores are good examples, because we need food, and we can't just wait 2 months to get food.
The same is true for abortions. Given the time constraints imposed on abortions, if one is to have an abortion, it needs to be done now, and can't be put off. It's actually a perfect example of what constitutes an essential service. |
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If only they had lived in Florida, instead.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...s-service.html (Professional wrestling - essential service) |
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Gunter Haas, the 'leading British expert,' was a graphologist who advised couples, based on their handwriting characteristics, if they were compatible for marriage. I would submit that couples idiotic enough to do this are probably quite suitable for each other. It's nice when stupid people find love. - Ludovic Kennedy |
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I think this is just so typical for Trump and his response.
He says all the right things, and acts like they are done, but they aren't. He just isn't getting the job done, and he doesn't even seem aware that he isn't. He announced that something good will happen. Yay. Now, about that testing... |
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14th April 2020, 11:13 AM | #13 |
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Yes, there are ties between Trump and McMahon.
To be honest though, I don't think that factors much into the decision to let the WWE continue creating shows in Florida. I do watch wrestling, and the shows themselves seem to be fairly low-risk affairs.... no audience, probably minimal staff. Employees are also screened regularly (temperatures taken before entering the arena) and mask use is encouraged. (I don't know if they make any effort to keep wrestlers separate backstage; I hope they do.) The WWE does have a significant media presence so it makes sense that the Florida gov. would want to keep them happy (even if they didn't have a relationship with Trump.) |
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14th April 2020, 11:18 AM | #14 |
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Remember that anti-Malarial drug Trump kept pushing as some sort of miracle cure? "How can it hurt" he said.
From: https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...1-patients-die A possible treatment for COVID-19, heavily touted by U.S. President Donald Trump in recent weeks, has been withdrawn from high-dose use in a Brazilian trial because it was feared to be having adverse effects on patients’ hearts. Chloroquine...has inspired hope in some medical circles amid reports that it can help to offset the symptoms of the deadly virus. But the New York Times reports that a recent clinical trial saw patients develop irregular heartbeats, a number of whom developed heart arrhythmias and later died. (I think someone else posted in another thread about other studies from Europe that wer likewise canceled amid problems.) |
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I said the frivolous ones, the ones where baby was basically an oops and an act of irresponsibility and would also take away a hospital bed from one of the life threatening ones. That said, likening abortions, given the myriad of other potential serious operations that could be needed, to being as essential as food is just a stupid analogy.
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In case you didn't know...
Most abortions take place in the first trimester and don't require hospitalization. Also, keep in mind that if the goal were really to limit the spread of Covid-19, then banning abortions is the worst thing to do... after all, an abortion would require maybe one or 2 visits to a clinic, and its done... On the other hand, a pregnant woman who is keeping the baby will have to go to seek medical attention multiple times (for example, a recommended once a month visit at minimum to the doctor, plus other visits for ultrasounds, blood tests, etc.) And that's assuming the baby and mother are healthy. Each one of those visits provides additional risk for spreading the virus. |
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14th April 2020, 12:16 PM | #25 |
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This is Florida, not some blue state, and Trump's home state. DeSantis is one of Trump's biggest supporters and a Trump favorite. Not declaring the WWE an essential business is not going to make Trump turn on his state and one of his favorite sycophants by shorting them on PPEs and ventilators.
Linda McMahon has not been a member of Trump's admin. since 2019. It's her position as chair of his re-election SuperPAC that and wife of the WWE's owner that are the motivating factors for this. Trump being a member of the WWE Hall of Fame is completely irrelevant. |
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I stand corrected. And it's not like women ever get pregnant by rape because their bodies just shut down like Todd Akin said, right? And condoms never break. And birth control never fails.
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The complete lack of substantive content in the response reminds me of an episode of "Good Times" in which a local politician was running for reelection. He responded to questions about any issue with the exact same phrase, "I have very definite opinions about that! Very definite opinions!" He never stated what those opinions actually were, but his bombastic presentation won over enough of the voters. |
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14th April 2020, 01:34 PM | #30 |
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14th April 2020, 01:35 PM | #31 |
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14th April 2020, 03:32 PM | #32 |
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So now Trump has announced that he will stop US funding to the WHO.
Though what they need with it, I don't know. Roger Daltrey's got a trout farm, for God's sake. |
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Trump is just trying to pass blame to anyone but himself, including the W.H.O. Remember, he takes no responsibility.
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Does anyone know if he can actually do that?
Normally it is Congress that deals with financial issues (although they may allocate funds with the president actually spending money). Just wondering if trump actually has the authority to withhold funds to the WHO or does he need Congress to agree. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk |
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