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19th April 2020, 01:56 AM | #361 |
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Gee, I don’t know... Do you think that maybe someone who handled a prior epidemic, AIDS, incompetently (driven not by science but ideology) would be the wrong person to place in charge of the CDC? Which under his watch indeed has handled the current epidemic, covid-19, incompetently?
Taking another wild guess, do you think that the President’s repeated attempts at implementing big budget cuts for the CDC might be an indication of how little he understands and values their work? Which now manifests as his failure to support their work, to prioritize appropriately the number and standardization of these tests at the federal level, and to understand that his “opening” of the USA requires having appropriate testing in place first? |
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19th April 2020, 02:25 AM | #363 |
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Trump somehow induces 180 degree turns in conservatives from their life-long prior beliefs. Conservatives used to believe in assigning responsibility appropriately. But now appointing incompetent people in charge of an important agency, repeatedly attempting to undermine its work, and actually seeing that agency deteriorate in its function without doing anything, is none of Trump’s responsibility. None at all.
How was he even to know this was a problem? Other than what is obvious to any intelligent person? Well, what if he had perhaps made less of an effort to ignore the concerns and recommendations expressed by experts trying to get his attention during this whole process? “Submarine commander places questinable officer in charge of navigation for ideological reasons despite recommendations of expert navigators and repeatedly expresses distain for the value of navigation. Submarine begins to miss intended destinations by tens of miles. Submarine hits reef and 10 sailors die.” And yet we are asked how is this the responsibility of the commander?!? |
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19th April 2020, 02:44 AM | #365 |
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OC beaches have been mostly deserted under California State rules, and business closures/social distancing have been enforced as in the rest of the State. Orange County covid-19 cases and deaths are currently somewhat higher than those in San Francisco and many other counties.
What is the anomaly we are supposed to explain? How do these facts indicate the restrictions are unnecessary in this “special” county? BTW: Temperatures in Orange County have largely been on the cool side this February to April until this last week: 50s F most nights and in the 60s F max during the days. |
19th April 2020, 03:36 AM | #366 |
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I presume this information was being passed up through the normal channels. Why would you assume not? But Trump was independently told by his medical advisors how crucial these tests were, and he must have been aware of repeated complaints by doctors all the way up to his medical advisors that the number of tests available were still woefully low.
All these problems were also prominently covered by multiple news sources and Trump even was repeatedly asked about these concerns at news conferences (which he angrily denied were problems). Trump was somehow determined to ignore and deny all this. To the point he stated glibly that tests were available to anyone who wanted them when surrounded by people such as Dr. Fauci who knew better and had told him the truth. That is willful ignorance. All this was done in public. And covered in the news. Perhaps you have forgotten. |
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This topic briefly came up in one of the other threads. Good for disinfecting water, not so good for people. Ultraviolet germicidal irradiation
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19th April 2020, 05:59 AM | #370 |
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Texas will open up Monday?
Unbelievable. |
19th April 2020, 06:07 AM | #371 |
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Cult leader and Trump supporters really believe in the infallibility of their Chosen One, that the Leader has ultimate Power, but that he be always absolved of responsibility. It's *always* an underling who who is lax, or incompetent, or a wrecker.
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This is not correct Trump colluded with Russia. Read the Mueller Report. It says no such thing. The lie is that Trump didn't collude with Russia
Tell me though, how many N-95 masks did the stupid bitch in chief order in February? How many ventilators? Why the dumb **** wait until nearly all the airlines stopped flying in and out of China to initiate his ban? |
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19th April 2020, 07:14 AM | #377 |
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It is unbelievable. I looked online for a chart, a simple line graph showing new cases/total hospitalized for Texas but I couldn't find anything like that. That's troubling. In the Northeast various news sources publish those everyday. You can easily see how the virus is trending. I did find this news article on the KXAN website in Austin, which is the local NBC affiliate.
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Truly unbelievable. Deadliest week so far in Central Texas and the governor responds by loosening the shutdown. What can you say? |
19th April 2020, 07:18 AM | #378 |
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While I really don't want people in Texas to suffer, if TX lifts restrictions, we'll see what happens to the numbers of cases.
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19th April 2020, 07:29 AM | #379 |
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The shutdown seems to be working so let's end it. This reminds me of stories you read about people with mental or emotional illnesses that are prescribed drugs which work well in controlling their illness. Patients decide 'I'm okay now,' stop taking the drugs and then become ill again. As with those medications, doctors warn, the drugs are not a CURE. They help control the illness. The shutdown is not a CURE for Covid-19, it is only helping to control it. Some people won't let themselves see that. If you end the shutdowns -- which I don't like either (who does?) -- you take away the control. Guess what happens next?
At least people who are emotionally or mentally ill -- like Donald Trump -- have an excuse for their behavior. |
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You can find death rates here.
Deaths are a better indication than cases, really, because the number of cases is more heavily dependent on the amount of testing. |
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Another guide the Trump administration's catastrophic failures.
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19th April 2020, 07:56 AM | #383 |
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Thanks for the link. Looking at cases, and I understand the testing issue, Texas' numbers are beginning to level off. But they're still high.
What I don't get is, this idea, 'The shutdown has been pretty effective in controlling this, so why continue it?' I don't get it except, you see that kind of logic all the time. |
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/u...gtype=Homepage
NYT articles on corona virus are open access. Thank goodness this is getting out. From the link, scroll down:
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It's very simple to understand. This is from a non-U.S. news source, The Guardian, headlined, "The Missing Six Weeks."
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This sounds like you are floating a conspiracy theory. Do you have evidence the CDC his this information from it's director or that he failed to pass this along to the Trump administration? This seams really unlikely given the circumstances.
It wouldn't matter anyway, TBH, as this would be just another example of Trump and the people he appointed being too incompetent to run the organizations they were in charge of. A competent president would have been demanding regular updates. |
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19th April 2020, 09:29 AM | #396 |
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This is a typical way to debate dishonestly: nitpick on something and dismiss the whole point.
Technically, yes Trump banned the use of the tests. By ordering or stopping the FDA from approving private and outside tests, no one in healthcare could use them. In this country FDA approval for medical tests is required. He also made sure private companies' tests were not FDA approved for use until the complaining about test shortages became too public for his liking. Food and Drug Administration regulations “created barriers to the private industry creating a test quickly” for the coronavirus. They could have overridden their usual processes sooner like they eventually did.
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19th April 2020, 09:36 AM | #399 |
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It's not Trump. Conservative have simply become accustomed to being told what to think and believe. The will believe whatever the Right Wing Media and Blastosphere tells them to believe no matter how absurd or contradictory it is. Trump is just the latest example of how goofy the nut-bar right has become.
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19th April 2020, 10:01 AM | #400 |
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Technically it says Trumps election campaign colluded with Russia and that Trump obstructed just 12 different times to prevent the law enforcement investigating whether he was directly involved in this collusion. If he went to that length, it's reasonable to assume he was obstructing the investigation because he was directly involved.
The only way he could be completely innocent of the of collusion with Russia is if he was too incompetent to be in charge of an election campaign in the first place. He probably isn't TBH, but that doesn't explain why he put so much effort to hide any evidence that could prove direct involvement. It also wouldn't explain why he's so subservient to Russia. He basically give Putin anything Putin wants, just wants. Just look at the latest example where he's using US tax dollars to broker an agreement between Russia and Saudi Arabia to drive up the drive up oil prices and ultimately the drive up the price US consumers pay for gas. |
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