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17th April 2020, 08:23 PM | #281 |
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18th April 2020, 01:50 AM | #285 |
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The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread
Interesting point to consider, if the USA “reopens” with what the rest of the world considers to be inadequate safeguards then flights to and from the USA aren’t going to start. Businesses outside the USA will chose to work with countries that are considered to be “safer”.
This could result in an even more isolationist USA than since before WW2. |
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18th April 2020, 02:29 AM | #289 |
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18th April 2020, 03:28 AM | #290 |
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You obviously don't, since you were arguing that doing so doesn't save lives but instead is just "providing a brief extension".
You're wrong. It is saving lives. That's the point.
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18th April 2020, 03:41 AM | #291 |
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In no other country has the question of when and how to raise the restrictions on movement and work been turned into the political football it has in the USA, and it largely seems to be down to Trump, who has insistently turned it into another excuse to go to war with Democratic politicians. All while encouraging the kind of nutters who turn up to a protest toting automatic weapons.
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18th April 2020, 05:30 AM | #292 |
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Trump politicizes everything. It trends well on social media and plays well with his base. You see it here, people who support him have no problem with this. They just double down.
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18th April 2020, 06:02 AM | #294 |
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Thursday Trump said he supported governors deciding on how to battle the pandemic in their states. Trump said the governors wanted to reopen their economies but they want "to do it safely." That 'support' lasted less than twenty-four hours. On Thursday in Minnesota the governor announced he was extending the shutdown to May 4th and there were immediate protests -- first on Facebook and then a demonstration at the governor's residence -- by a right wing group that calls itself Liberate Minnesota.
At midday Friday Trump tweeted "LIBERATE MINNESOTA!"
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18th April 2020, 06:21 AM | #295 |
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Trump encouraging the whack job protesters is a whole new level of demented, sociopathic fugue state. Deep fugue.
They're not going to let socialists like SARS-cov-2 ruin America, which just recently had been made great again. |
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18th April 2020, 07:10 AM | #297 |
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18th April 2020, 07:15 AM | #298 |
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The thing is, many people don't "get" something until it affects them directly. Right now their jobs have been lost or are in peril (which is of course the fault of the state and not their employer) but none of their loved ones have perished from Coronavirus.
Of course if tragedy does befall them and they do lose one or more loved ones then it's still the state's fault for failing to take adequate precautions against Coronavirus. |
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I wonder what self-styled skeptics think when Big Daddy (if only they could have the full teabag experience, mmmm!) encourages the whack jobs to act contrary to the advice of Big Daddy.
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18th April 2020, 07:36 AM | #300 |
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What those people REALLY need is a hug. A BIG GROUP HUG!!
While chanting something, loudly. Somethings with lots of "fffff" and "ssss" sounds and any other sounds that might sometimes prompt people to say "Say it, don't spit it". Then they'll all feel better. And if they get sick, they'll just blame it on the libs anyway. |
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Still, there is a certain amount of soft support there outside the large fanatic core - I think the crazies and their direct sympathizers amount to ca 35% of the (traditionally already very shrunken) active electorate. The kind of people who find rioting against lawful authorities in the midst of a national crisis rather distasteful. They might not mostly vote for Democrats but they might give this election a pass.
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18th April 2020, 08:09 AM | #302 |
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How can the Minnesota governor extend the lockdown against Trump's wishes? Trump has total authority.
Or so I've heard. |
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18th April 2020, 08:12 AM | #303 |
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In most cases where people are demonstrating in the streets, the organizers are far more extreme in their political views than the people who attend the protest, and the people who attend the protest are generally more extreme than the people who sympathize with the cause of the protest. This isn't limited to just this particular issue. Abby Hoffman and Jerry Ruben were generally more extreme than the people marching in Chicago in 1968, and a lot more extreme than the average person who opposed the war in Vietnam.
I look at the protesters from Michigan and I mostly say, "Those people are nuts." And from what I've read about the organizers, they are extreme right wingers. However, you don't have to be an extreme right winger to think that the restrictions are too severe. I think Governor Whitmer missed a chance to be Vice-President with her recent announcement. She was a definite rising star because she acted so forcefully so early. I know I praised her actions, especially when contrasted with Trump. However, she went so far in the second round of restrictions that it became controversial. Of course, among some people, her first round of executive orders was controversial, but generally people said it had to be done. The second round, though, went so far that there was an awful lot of pushback. How people react will depend a lot on how it's enforced, and how long it goes on. I haven't seen news stories about exactly who is getting ticketed. |
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I think Gov. Cuomo's daily briefings have been pretty interesting and straightforward, but I can't get past the impression that he makes the words "...tests..." and "...masks..." (always with a pause on either side) sound like epithets.
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18th April 2020, 09:34 AM | #305 |
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The problem is, there are apparently a lot of asymptomatic people who are infected with coronavirus and they're quite contagious. The people demonstrating Friday at the various state houses, if there were asymptomatic people among them, may 'get' it very soon.
In which case I expect they'll immediately blame Nancy Pelosi. Or Joe Biden. |
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If anything, it seems you have that backwards.
After the first set of restrictions 69% of Michigan residents approved of what she was doing. After the second set of restrictions, 71% did. |
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And not to mention... Who cares if there’s pushback?
The only question that matters is: Is this the right thing to do under the circumstances? If any of our resident Overreach Hand-Wringers care to make an argument that it’s not, I’d be happy to look at the scientific data you have to support your contention. |
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The uber-patriotism and flag waving obsession of the right has always fascinated me. I find it rather embarrassing as it's a manifestation of feelings of superiority and nationalism. Think of any other countries that display (literally) this flag waving/flying obsession outside of special days or events. I think of China, N. Korea and, historically, Nazi Germany and fascist Italy.
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Wrong subforum.
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18th April 2020, 01:36 PM | #312 |
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Of course they will. Just like they sent in money so televangelist Jesse Duplantis could buy a new private jet that he said God told him he needed. After all, commercial jets were 'full of demons".
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Florida has reopened some beaches where they are supposed to be social distancing. They aren't. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tells ya.
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Each locality needs to decide what is safe. Orange County (Calif.) closed parking lots, but not the beach. You can still surf and walk around, just not on the piers. You can still get food, just not indoors. The outside is the best place to be! Just keep some distance. Sunshine is a great disinfectant! Our community spread (as reported) is very low. Hospitals are half empty. Majority of our new cases are people who are stuck indoors, like nursing homes and the jails. So sad. The higher risk populations and elderly in those places really need some special attention, much more than the population at large. Skilled nurses who are not provided PPE are just adding to the numbers is a vastly skewed way. Some of them have protested by staying home! California has been terrible (really really awful) about anticipating where cases will pop up. Testing is still inadequate, and has been from the start. Even so, the numbers are MUCH better than most places. We are simply very lucky for our weather, suburban sprawl and car culture. |
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Utter tripe.
Picture this for a second: Five families, each with two parents and two kids (average age 10), are on a football field. It's pretty easy for those five families to stay 6 feet away from each other since they've got 100 x 53 yards to work with. However, families at the beach aren't static. Add a Frisbee or ball to the mix and now at the very least the kids are moving and getting closer to the other families. Maybe a Frisbee lands next to someone who instinctively picks it up and throws it back. They just sneezed and rubbed their nose, by the way. Beaches are not conducive to social distancing unless access is limited (set number of people allowed on a particular stretch of beach) and there's someone (multiple people, more likely) there to monitor things and enforce safe distances. This isn't a ******* vacation. Stay home. |
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Social distancing is communism.
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18th April 2020, 03:44 PM | #319 |
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Why don't you educate me about where the new cases in Orange County are coming from then? 28 deaths in a county of 3.2 million, with a gdp of 310 billion. First case of Covid was back on Jan 25.
You want to keep the outdoors closed? Really? Maybe where you live. Here, it doesnt seem to spread very well outside. Just look at the numbers of residents, travelers, tourists, large venues (Disneyland is just one of many!), students, etc... Still very low cases. |
18th April 2020, 04:09 PM | #320 |
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Maybe I've missed something. Maybe you've set walls around Orange County such that no carriers can come to where you live. Maybe the sun shines brighter on Orange County than Los Angeles County (or all of Florida - "the sunshine state"), so much so that the virus can't survive even a microsecond in the open air. Maybe Mickey Mouse has endowed Orange County with magical protection from viruses.
Maybe the OC will end up with fewer cases per capita than other areas. That would be nice for you but is it really a good reason to take stupid, unnecessary risks? ETA: And it's not a matter of "closing the outdoors." It's a matter of closing places where people tend to gather in numbers. |
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