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11th May 2020, 05:51 PM | #201 |
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With his apparent confidence in Judge Sullivan's acquiescence, Zig would seem to share your fear (which is his hope?) that indeed injustice will prevail.
I'm on unremitting tenterhooks about the election--and I'm not American. Trump will cheat. His cult seems to be largely unmovable. New and fantastical CTs are springing up like mushrooms. The Russian trolls are going gangbusters. Amash wades in as a very potential spoiler. Will the Bernie Bros see sense? Will too many citizens sit it out? |
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11th May 2020, 06:59 PM | #203 |
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Judge Emmett Sullivan (not she) is no Trump crony as he has shown. If he accepts the DOJ request he will do so because they have a legal case.
But that will not remove the fact that Flynn knowingly, willingly and under oath pleaded guilty to lying. Neither you nor any Trump supporter can deny that no matter how hard one tries to spin it. |
12th May 2020, 12:53 AM | #204 |
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I recall judge Sullivan musing about the use of the term "treason" regarding the stuff he saw in respect to Flynn's antics that he pled down from. And don't forget the stern dressing down he gave Flynn at a sentencing hearing, where his anger inspired Flynn to put that off so as to provide more cooperation (and thus shave off some time in stir were he to insist on taking his medicine then.)
It seems to me that Sullivan knows some awful stuff about Flynn that could make him less amenable to rolling over for Billy Barr. At least without the DoJ having to squirm in justifying their injustice in his courtroom. |
12th May 2020, 01:16 AM | #205 |
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It will be funny to see how the SC and other Trump-stuffed courts will do a complete 180 on all their opinions the moment a Democrat sits in the White House.
"History is written by the winners" ? How the **** can you support an AG who thinks that way? |
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12th May 2020, 02:39 AM | #206 |
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Yes, I remember this. I've also seen it opined by a lawyer who has encountered him professionally (I'm tempted to say Popehat, but I can't remember for sure) that Sullivan is fiercely independent and loathes anything he could see as the government trying to interfere in court business.
I'm not going to pretend to know enough about everything to predict for sure how this will go, but I'm definitely leaning strongly towards "not well for Flynn". |
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12th May 2020, 05:39 AM | #207 |
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12th May 2020, 06:13 AM | #208 |
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12th May 2020, 06:34 AM | #209 |
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Just to quote the mea culpa from the liars:
“ the "Meet the Press" Twitter account posted: "You’re correct. Earlier today, we inadvertently and inaccurately cut short a video clip of an interview with AG Barr before offering commentary and analysis. The remaining clip included important remarks from the attorney general that we missed, and we regret the error."” |
12th May 2020, 06:46 AM | #210 |
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I read the entire quote.
I Doesn't change one bit the fact that Barr seems to think that being in power is just as important than being on the side of justice. He is the AG. Only Justice should matter. Zig why do all career DOJ prosecutors quit and/or refuse to sign these plea withdrawals? Does only Barr know the law and they are all wrong? The overwhelming majority of legal commentators call this a corrupt move. And they are right. |
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12th May 2020, 09:43 AM | #213 |
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I don't believe you. And if you're telling the truth about that, well, that's even worse.
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"In closing, this was a big decision in the Flynn case, to-- to say the least. When history looks back on this decision, how do you think it will be written? What will it say about your decision making?" Here's his answer: "Well, history is written by the winner. So it largely depends on who's writing the history. But I think a fair history would say that it was a good decision because it upheld the rule of law. It helped, it upheld the standards of the Department of Justice, and it undid what was an injustice." His comment about history being written by the winner is a comment about how it may be viewed in the future. It is NOT a statement about what matters. And he's saying, quite explicitly, that he did this in the interest of justice. Now, you can choose to not believe what he said. You can choose to believe he's motivated by something else. Ascribed motives are wonderfully unfalsifiable. But don't perpetuate a lie about what it is he said.
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12th May 2020, 10:15 AM | #216 |
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As in Marsha Brady, or Cindy Brady?
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12th May 2020, 02:17 PM | #222 |
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You mean the news program that admitted their mistake?
“ the "Meet the Press" Twitter account posted: "You’re correct. Earlier today, we inadvertently and inaccurately cut short a video clip of an interview with AG Barr before offering commentary and analysis. The remaining clip included important remarks from the attorney general that we missed, and we regret the error."” |
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I just took a quick look at a thesaurus. Turns out “mistake” and “lie” aren’t synonymous.
And just to get you up to speed on the standards of evidence, according to Ziggurat, when Flynn admitted to lying to the FBI, that doesn’t count as evidence that he lied to the FBI. With that in mind, please provide your evidence that the news program in question lied. |
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And admitting to even a mistake is something Trump and Fox News will never do.
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12th May 2020, 05:30 PM | #225 |
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This is so stonking rediculous. Pathetic, rather.
"Oh, so the FBI wants to talk to me about some stuff I had nothing to do with. I think my best bet will be to lie about something else so they will go away. I'm sure it'll be fine." Yeah. This is what we're apparently expected to believe. Well, I say that once again, this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, to never, ever talk to the police without your lawyer present. About anything. Every person theoretically has the right to remain silent, not the right to lie to the cops, even if it is about unrelated stuff. Because this shows that, hey, maybe it's not really unrelated? Or, better yet, how are you to know beforehand what's related and what isn't? You don't, so you shut. Up. This fool thought he was immune. Well, the joke's on me, I guess since he'll be freed now. At least we can all learn a few lessons here: never talk to cops about anything without a lawyer and that there is no legitimate justice in America. |
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Judge Sullivan, in an unusual move, is asking for 3rd party briefs ("friend of the court" style) before he rules on dismissing the case.
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Timothy Shea, the hatchet-man for Barr, used the identification number of Jessie K. Liu to submit the withdrawal of the charges, but signed with his name.
Shea isn't silenced to submit the documents. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...el-flynn-case/ It is abundantly clear that Shae and Barr are cutting corners and breaking rules, and no career prosecutor in the DOJ wants to have anything to do with their corruption. |
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13th May 2020, 06:55 AM | #235 |
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It's not wrong.
Barr said that as the winner of the elections they get to play favorites, but that in this case it might even pass legal muster. Barr has made it clear time and again that he is completely unbound by precedent when it comes to justifying whatever Trump wants him to do. Since his lies about the Mueller Report, the vast majority of legal scholars and former prosecutors have called him on his BS, and they are doing it in this case, too. The is no way to justify the move not to prosecute Flynn except from "might makes right". |
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No, he did not. Now you're lying. His comment about history referred to the fact that political opponents in the future may portray his actions differently than he does. He said nothing about himself playing favorites. Again, you may think that's what he's doing, but that is absolutely and unequivocally not what he said.
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13th May 2020, 10:28 AM | #239 |
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Zig, since you can read minds:
Why did Barr say: "History is written by the winners."? |
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I don't have to read minds. The meaning is made pretty clear from the text itself: he doesn't know how his actions will be portrayed in the future, because the people doing that may have motives for portraying it differently than it actually is.
There's considerable irony here, though. You're now trying to fall back on the position that I can't know what Barr meant because I can't read his mind, but the fact of the matter is that you brought this up to begin with because you thought you knew what he meant, and that it meant something bad. |
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