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15th May 2020, 04:47 AM | #81 |
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Another day, another lie, in fact, he isn't even trying to hide it now. You can just see the gears in his head turning while he goes through the process of create the right lie that suits him.
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15th May 2020, 06:18 AM | #82 |
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Hmm, in no particular order besides the order they occur to me:
Obama's birth certificate is fake Vaccines cause autism Joe Scarborough probably murdered someone Ted Cruz's father was involved with Lee Harvey Oswald Alex Jones is an amazing reporter Obama wiretapped Trump Tower Promise to eliminate the national debt in 8 years (instead he's added trillions more to it) Promise of 4, 5 or 6% economic growth We're doing a great job on the coronavirus I won the popular vote ETA: almost forgot: I'm a very stable genius. |
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15th May 2020, 07:31 AM | #83 |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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16th May 2020, 01:26 AM | #89 |
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Did sir-drinks-a-lot take his toys and stomp off home?
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16th May 2020, 01:02 PM | #91 |
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Maybe he thought that no one could name 10 lies...
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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16th May 2020, 02:58 PM | #93 |
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Obviously, I did want to see what sort of responses I got otherwise I wouldn't have started the thread. I didn't expect much, even with all of the qualifications I gave but was pleasantly surprised by a few posters. d4m10n did a great job, Ladewig had a good showing despite only listing five (so far), dmaker had a decent list although he didn't follow instructions. There were a few others.
I'd say that most of you all the sudden got curiously quiet on a topic that you spend most of the day about. One poster posted a list of imaginary responses to another poster's list. And a lot of you were terrified of "gotchas". Overall, I'd say it was a pretty good showing. 6/10. |
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Trump lies, America dies.
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17th May 2020, 12:25 AM | #99 |
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What amazes me about this thread is that the OP apparently genuinely thought that finding ten juicy full on Trump lies would be a challenge. The only challenge is choosing the ten most egregious from amongst the thousands of examples.
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17th May 2020, 04:50 AM | #102 |
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“We don't know anything about Hillary in terms of religion. Now, she's been in the public eye for years and years, and yet there's no — there's nothing out there."
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17th May 2020, 04:51 AM | #103 |
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Trump still says China is paying for tarrifs.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnbri.../#252facdf25a2 |
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17th May 2020, 04:55 AM | #104 |
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This thread could rival the Amanda Knox thread for posts.
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17th May 2020, 07:44 AM | #105 |
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I think a lot of Trump’s “lies” are due to sloppy, motivated thinking combined with a careless choice of words.
Two examples: “I won the women’s vote by 52%”. That’s categorically false. Perhaps he saw that 52% of white women voted for him, and conveniently “forgot” the qualifier. In fact, he lost the overall women’s vote. What cements this as a lie to me is that he gets corrected, but then continues to repeatedly promote the same false statement. “The crime rate is higher than its been in 40 years. The press won’t tell you that.” Not an exact quote, but very close. Also categorically false - the crime rate was then at near historic lows. Again, he had seen or heard that a recent increase in the crime rate was the highest in 40 years. I think his mind is muddled and confused enough that he may not appreciate the difference between the crime rate and the increase in crime rate. Again, it becomes a certifiable lie when he continues to repeat it when he has the opportunity to correct himself. I think he’s just not very smart, and is willing to say whatever makes him look good, true or not. |
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17th May 2020, 09:20 AM | #107 |
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This calls the question of whether Trump's "lies" are untruths spoken knowingly with intent to deceive, or whether he's such an inveterate ********ter that he doesn't really have a working model of the real world so as to differentiate true statements from false ones.
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17th May 2020, 09:34 AM | #108 |
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I was just about to make a post about this type of lie.
When he gets caught in real-time in this type of lie, he often shrugs it off by saying “someone told me that.” That, of course, is an appropriate response for an 11-year-old, but not for POTUS. I used to scream at the TV when reporters never followed up on their question about a statistic’s veracity with a question like, “why are you hiring people who make such careless errors? Especially when you brag about your management skills, which were a key plank in your political platform.” Or, “don’t you have fact-checkers working in this administration?” And I’d love to see a question at the next press conference like “have you fired the person who made you look bad by giving you obviously-incorrect information?” Although I’ll confess that is an obviously-biased question. But I agree with your conclusion: repeating incorrect information in that manner is a lie. |
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The juiciest lies are both obvious and significant. Such as:
Q: Have you ever met Vladimir Putin? And this, a few weeks prior : I have no relationship to -- with him [Putin]. I have no relationship with him. |
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17th May 2020, 09:43 PM | #114 |
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Those debates. So his supporters were thinking they just want an ordinary everyman. They appear to be happy with their choice.
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You might have met someone who is something like Trump at a bar, a sporting event, or a large party (perhaps even a family gathering).
He is that loudmouth who claims that he knows exactly how to fix everything that is wrong with America. His childishly simplistic plans ignore the complexities and interrelated nature of 21st century problems. He never listens to your point, he is merely waiting until he can talk some more. He replaces citations with repetition and replaces logical reasoning with volume. No matter where you met him you would never want him near the White House. |
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He's my younger brother. At exactly the sort of family gathering you mention, he was going on and on about climate change being a hoax, pontificating that "carbon monoxide" wasn't a factor, since it was necessary for plants to survive, they breathe it in and we get oxygen, etc., etc. My wife was standing behind me with one warning hand firmly on my shoulder throughout; thankfully, it wasn't our gathering, so we could leave when we (that is to say, I) got ready. Which was not long in coming. He was also prone to lambasting ObamaCare as commie soshalism, which was pretty rich, considering he'd had three or four live-saving heart procedures without benefit of any insurance to pay for them.
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