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Biden for President? Pt 2
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Then again, choosing between Trump and Trump is probably exactly the scenario Trump would want for the 2020 election.
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23rd May 2020, 07:28 AM | #3 |
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Biden makes gaffes. He has a long history of it. It won't be the last before November.
Biden apologized. Trump would probably deny he said it at all and blame the media for Fake News. |
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23rd May 2020, 07:54 AM | #6 |
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Of course he gave a fake apology. And of course you're all accepting it without question.
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23rd May 2020, 08:01 AM | #7 |
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As I said, I am not that bothered by it. But sure, if Biden thought that what he said was wrong, then isn't apologizing for it what he is supposed to do?
I mean, we often hear about people who say the wrong thing, sometimes on Twitter, sometimes on TV, and that that is not enough. We want more! We want blood! What do you want? |
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23rd May 2020, 08:43 AM | #9 |
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Yes. But what makes you so sure Biden thought that what he said was wrong? I'm seeing absolutely no doubt or questioning of the sincerity of the apology from Biden supporters.
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23rd May 2020, 09:07 AM | #13 |
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I find it funny that POC that I follow on twitter didn't even react to the Biden joke in any personal way. Their reaction was "oh crap, what will white journalists do with this?" They are so in for Biden that they were simply worried about how the media would portray it.
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Quick hint: people from a political party that tries to stop us from voting at all, and then calls us brainwashed plantation slaves that only want welfare when we respond negatively, don't have a say here.
In other words, the more or less universal reaction from black Americans to GOPers trying to make hay out of this is "shut up." |
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My hat’s off to you. That was well played.
But you raise an interesting point. Personally, I don’t think Biden lacks credibility on the issue of ethical standards, but my standards might not be as high as yours. What’s one ethical standard that you think is important for a presidential candidate to have where Biden lacks credibility? |
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This is truly amazing to me. Surprising.
But it really shouldn’t be. It’s been said many times that you could run a smelly sock (or whatever) against Trump and we should vote for the sock. No mention of “man, both parties have given us some real stinkers; maybe we should all vote third-party and send a message to them.” What we get is: “Believe Women, just not that one! Biden 2020.” “Don’t be an Uncle Tom, Vote for Uncle Joe! Biden 2020.” “I’m Joe Biden. I apologize for those messages so please still vote for me.” |
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23rd May 2020, 01:01 PM | #20 |
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In the system we have, and that we had no role in designing, the realistic choice is between two candidates. There is substantial evidence that if the people who cast "protest" votes for Gary Johnson and Jill Stein in the battleground states had voted for Clinton, she would have won. There is no doubt that if the "pox on both your houses" voters who stayed home had held their noses and voted for Clinton, she would have won. In 2000 in Florida, if the people who cast protest votes for Ralph Nader had voted for Al Gore, he would have won.
Biden would not have been my first choice. Based on the primary results, he was not a lot of voters' first choice. But today, a vote for anyone but Biden, or no vote at all, is a vote for Trump. That would be the worst outcome. |
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Yet again.
"Believe women" does not mean "and ignore all available evidence." At this point, I'm treating "Reade is an exception because she accused a democrat!" as a bad faith argument.
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A quote from his plan for Black America: “He is running for President to rebuild our economy in a way that finally brings everyone along—and that starts by rooting out systemic racism from our laws, our policies, our institutions, and our hearts.” Do you not see his “joke” as a kind of racism that is rooted in his heart? Maybe you don’t, I don’t know. Here’s what I do know, any little thing a Republican does cannot be written off as a badly worded joke. Cannot be dismissed as a gaffe (gaffe is a word that is exclusively used for Biden, which I find interesting). Those things that are seen as, “Oh, Uncle Joe, you behave now...” are signs of mental illness, racism, evil, blah blah blah when a Republican does it. Republican candidates have had nice little blurbs in their platforms about what they are going to do for Black America, too. What does it actually mean when any candidate writes some nice ad copy for their campaign? Nothing. What matters is what they say and do, right? It’s just that sometimes it feels like what truly matters is what side they are on. Every Democrat is an ally and every Republican is the enemy -and vice versa, make no mistake- and what they say and do (or are accused of) is interpreted thusly. |
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The dishonesty of your argument has already been laid bare by other posters, so no need to go into any of that.
But the crux of your concerns seems to be that Democrats aren’t being critical enough of Biden compared to how critical they are of Trump. And there’s some degree of legitimacy to that concern, under normal circumstances. But these aren’t normal circumstances. We are literally living in the worst case scenario a lot of us feared when Trump got elected. “Both sides are bad” doesn’t fly anymore. Republicans are demonstrably worse. We’ve got the stack of dead bodies and their complete disregard for how big that stack is to prove it. So my question to you is: How many Americans need to die due to Trump’s complete and total ineptitude before getting him out of office should be the primary goal? |
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Cool.
Here’s you quite passionately and eloquently explaining why don’t believe Trump is a bigot and also it doesn’t matter if he is. Seems your standards have dipped a bit in the intervening years. |
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Wanna know something? I've met Bill Weld, former republican governor of Massachusetts, on *many* occasions, as I was smart/lucky enough to go to the same school as one of his daughters. And while he wouldn't have made this sort of joke (he's far too uptight to even try), if he did...I'd let it slide. I wouldn't care much if Dolt 45 said it - although he's far too racist to do so, he's more of a "Go back to your ******** country of Africa!" angry and ignorant type. Frankly, I'd consider it a major deescalation.
What's in Biden's heart is his problem, not mine. What I expect is that he, like the vast majority of politicians, will try to enact his proposals.
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Likewise, Dolt 45, and much of the modern GOP, have worked hard to earn their reputation. Voter suppression, demands that black people obey cops immediately but white people can stand and shriek at them, point AR-15s at them, and the like, divestment from black communities, howling that anything Obama did was "Reparations" or "Kenyan Anti-colonialism" (as if either would be wrong), putting a pack of overt white supremacists in charge of the executive branch, and so forth. It's not that we don't trust them, it's that we trust them to be aggressively anti-black, based on their long history of anti-black behavior. |
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Why do you even ask? They have no way to defend the things the manchild in chief do and say, so they have to construct an imaginary universe where the other side is just as bad. Since both sides aren't as bad, however, this means cherry picking, strawmen, quotes taken out of context, and pretending quotes from the opposition are way worse than they are. And, of course, pretending the other side's supporters are just as and hypocritical and insincere as the trumpkins. It's been this way since 2016. It's not as if the trumpkins were completely rational up until May 24th, 2020, so no need to act so surprised.
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An interesting read on the latest Ukraine leaks, the phone calls between Porky and Creepy Joe not being the only ones:
The colonial status of “The Independent Ukraine” publicly confirmed Conclusion:
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Tara Reade Loses Her Attorney as New Reporting Dents Her Story About Joe Biden
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