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26th May 2020, 06:07 AM | #81 |
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I think the way to predict who the VP will be is to predict what votes Biden thinks he needs to court to win. If he thinks he needs the Bernie Bros to turn out, it'll be one person, probably. If he thinks he needs black Democrats, it'll be another. If he thinks he needs white moderates, it'll be someone else. Etc.
The game for the next few weeks is going to be guessing who he needs, and which veep choice best fits that need. |
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26th May 2020, 07:08 AM | #83 |
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Despite his last gaff, Biden doesn't need a VP of color. He doesn't even need a women, but it wouldn't do to go back on that particular promise - or make sense, given the tremendous pool of highly qualified female democrats.
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26th May 2020, 08:04 AM | #85 |
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The best VP Biden could pick would be a someone who could credibly run on their own in 2024.
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26th May 2020, 08:10 AM | #87 |
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26th May 2020, 08:18 AM | #88 |
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That's a good point. I don't put much stock in the idea that is repeated that Biden's VP would be running the ship, but i could see the situation where he has to step down or chooses not to run in 2024 because of his advanced age.
The VP is obviously the person best positioned to win such an election, so selecting someone who is politically mature enough for the position is probably important. Selecting a more junior politician could be a real error here. |
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26th May 2020, 08:20 AM | #89 |
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Here you go, Skeptic Ginger. Maybe you guys can hash that out?
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26th May 2020, 08:23 AM | #90 |
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It might be an issue if everyone else on the table as an option; be it Trump or any of other front running Democrat Candidates weren't just as old.
If Trump was some spry 45 year old Biden's age would be a concern but since everyone in the race is "Statistically Already Dead" years old I don't think it is in this situation.
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We don't have to jump straight from 70+ down to still has the umbilical cord attached, but yeah it would be nice to see some people in their 40-50s for a change. There's a difference between wanting mature, seasoned, experienced people and treating age like a dump stat. |
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26th May 2020, 08:26 AM | #91 |
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There's a general problem of the lack of young talent in the Democratic Party. It doesn't help that there is open strife between the old guard, headed by Pelosi, and younger politicians that are becoming popular.
The party's attempts to quash the younger, more progressive wing of the party is incredibly short sighted and does not bode well for the future. So we had a primary of the geriatrics. A battle of the geezers, and there's really no one under the age of 60 that's ready for the limelight. This can't be a good sign. |
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26th May 2020, 11:46 AM | #92 |
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You are confusing introducing prior bad acts as evidence against the defendant. Of course you can impeach the witness for past acts.
"You lied before, how do we know you aren't lying now?"Reade is the accuser, not the defendant. Again you are conflating witness and defendant. Nope, you are because your underlying premise is wrong. There is a special case of not trashing a #metoo accuser, but we are well past that with Reade |
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Agreed, and I predict that he does not need the black vote or the youth vote. The youth vote didn't turn out for Bernie and the black vote is already on his team.
He will try to go moderate to try to erode some of Trump's support. Not his die-hard supporters, but the people who are afraid of liberals and the liberal agenda. A lot of them would rather not vote for Trump again, but they sure as hell aren't voting for some far left liberal to sit in line waiting for Ole' Joe to kick the bucket. A lot of the people who are done with Trump are not down with M4A. Those are the people Biden will be courting. Now I should go look at Stacey Abrams's positions to see if there is any chance in hell she fits in that description. |
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History.
A long consistent history of trashing the accusers in these specific cases. Perhaps children as witnesses to abuse also fall into that category but in a little different way. Kids simply aren't believed. You can't say that for people who make other accusations, not consistently in any single group. I don't understand what you don't get about the difference between discrediting witnesses and not being able to prejudice a jury by bringing up past crimes of the defendants. You were even shown citations had you chosen to look at them. |
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I hope Biden is wise enough not to choose a member of the Senate unless it is a safe seat to be replaced by a Democrat.
Much as it would be great to see him choose Warren, who would get her Senate seat? And I hate to be an ageist, but he needs someone younger in case he dies in office. We don't need two septuagenarians in that office. |
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Look . . . I don't want to belabor this point in this thread. But there is obviously a huge misunderstanding about what's allowed in court. You couldn't call the Horse Charity owner to the stand to relate a story about alleged theft. You couldn't show a snapshot of an expunged bad check record. You couldn't call the guy who says she manipulated him. You couldn't ask to pull her transcript.
Maybe a lawyer can clarify what you can and can't do. But the rules linked to before seem very clear to me and people seem to be cherry-picking certain phrases that seem to support their ideas. Read all the rules, not just the little part of the commentary that makes you think you can call some dude who alleges an alleged rape victim manipulated him that one time. |
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26th May 2020, 01:52 PM | #101 |
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I agree. Abrams is an up and coming Democrat with government experience, a Harvard Law grad, and a major force fighting voter suppression. You might find this article on her interesting as I did. She is definitely my choice for VP. Now, if I could only get her to spell her name correctly ().
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26th May 2020, 02:06 PM | #103 |
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You're serious, aren't you? Bwahahahahaha!
But I guess she will be available, since she's willing to step down as governor. |
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26th May 2020, 02:34 PM | #104 |
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The problem is, Biden is already seen as moderate/close to the center, so there isn't much ground to be gained there.
The best option would be someone slightly to the left of Biden to appease at least some progressives (if that is possible) but not so far left as to make the undecided voters think "communist". Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk |
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26th May 2020, 02:44 PM | #105 |
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Have no fear, if Biden loses this election, the blame will be on these young progressives. Biden will do nothing to bring them into the party and they will be blamed if they don't gallop to the polls.
Seems clear to me that Biden is running pretty openly as a conservative Democrat. Seems to be banking pretty hard on the party faithful, suburban centrists, and Republicans tired of Trump. Maybe that will be enough to win. |
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26th May 2020, 02:57 PM | #106 |
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You do realize that Babylon Bee is a satire site, don't you? Or do you?
I suggest you do a little research on what happened in Georgia when it came to voter suppression. But I doubt you will. |
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26th May 2020, 04:47 PM | #108 |
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I saw Biden getting interviewed by Dana Bash. He did a great job. He was on and stayed on message, hit Trump without sinking to his level, handled the question about his gaff over the weekend well. He looked like a strong candidate and moreover, he looked presidential.
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27th May 2020, 07:56 AM | #114 |
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Dang. I was hoping we could play the Stacy Abrams thing straight for at least a couple weeks.
Talk about how she wants to be Veep and what she's doing to get the nod. Talk about what her qualifications are and what electoral advantage she might bring to the campaign. Talk about how she gets treated by other Democrats and the (non-satire) media. |
27th May 2020, 08:33 AM | #115 |
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He was also on Stephen Colbert last week. Articulate, upbeat. (Starts at about 13.00)
https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-s...nt-joe-biden-/ |
27th May 2020, 08:36 AM | #116 |
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I get the feeling this covid-19 thing is going to be a massive gift to Biden.
Because of the restrictions, the public is really only getting a fraction of exposure to the gaffe-prone Biden. If the virus remains a problem up through the election, Biden will have good reason to keep his appearances down, eliminating opportunities to put his foot in his mouth in public. And, of course, Trump's mishandling of the response is making it obvious why it's dangerous to have him in office, even if you generally like his policies. |
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27th May 2020, 08:37 AM | #117 |
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Stacy Abrams is too unattractive to be a running mate. Biden will probably go with Harris.
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27th May 2020, 08:52 AM | #118 |
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Biden's best move is to give the limelight to Trump - even if he tried, he wouldn't be able to match Trump's media presence.
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27th May 2020, 09:12 AM | #119 |
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The gaffs are really the only issue with Biden. Ukraine, Reader, "Obamagate" haven't moved the poll needle unless you count up. The way Biden will have to campaign, not a lot of pressing the flesh and interacting with random people helps him. By virtue of necessity, events will have to be small and well planned.
Trump's campaign style, rallies won't be a real option for him. The Democrat Trifecta states will have crowd-size limitations for most of the summer or longer. The states that will allow rallies he doesn't need to fight over (except maybe Florida). |
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27th May 2020, 09:14 AM | #120 |
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Gretchen Whitmer's stock is pretty high right now. In spite of the Gravy SEALS protesting, she's seen her approval rating shoot way up. Governors who lead states through Covid-19 are a hot commodity right now and Biden would do well to bask in some of that reflected glory.
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