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27th May 2020, 09:14 AM | #121 |
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I suspect its that way for most politicians... 99% of what they do or say is perfectly fine, but because they are under constant media scrutiny, the 1% of what they say that is somehow wrong (a simple mistake, poor wording, a failed attempt at humor, stuff taken out of context, etc.) can get amplified, simply because its more interesting that the 99% of good stuff.
I suspect if someone analyzed everything Biden said over the course of a week, most of the stuff would seem perfectly normal. But the occasional slip-up (the type we all do) will get elevated in importance to the point where he is seen as 'gaffe-prone'. Of course, Trump doesn't exactly fit in this pattern, because he seems to be incapable of giving even one short speech/presentation without lying, resorting to bigotry, or exposing is ignorance. |
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27th May 2020, 09:45 AM | #122 |
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27th May 2020, 11:30 AM | #123 |
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Despite NY being hit hard, Cuomo seems to be doing a good job of leading their response. But, I don't think that he brings many voters that aren't already with Biden.
Whitmer's husband pulled a pretty hard gaffe by trying to get his boat out of storage for the holiday weekend right after his wife plead with people to stay home. It's no Access Hollywood tape, but it makes him look a bit out of touch. |
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27th May 2020, 11:36 AM | #124 |
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27th May 2020, 11:52 AM | #125 |
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Trump made the outbreak on the planet worse. Cuomo knows how to handle this. He'll say that we made the best decisions we could with information available, own it, remind everyone that governing is hard and move on. Trump is doing him a solid on this. While the story could have had national legs for a while, Trump sucked up all the O2 by lying about a rival being suspected of murder and a few other tweet storms.
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27th May 2020, 12:01 PM | #126 |
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27th May 2020, 12:42 PM | #128 |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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27th May 2020, 12:51 PM | #129 |
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27th May 2020, 03:39 PM | #130 |
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I'm sure what he did was a mistake. However, the opportunity to dim Cuomo's star has passed. Trump needs to not look so inadequate as compared to the governors. He had an opportunity to bring Cuomo down because Trump is obviously not going to go up. That ship has sailed. The energy for that story when it would have been timely is gone.
When I said Cuomo knew how to handle this, I thought I was clear that he knows how to avoid political backlash over it. No one knew or now knows how to handle Covid 19. Some people like a few terrific governors lead even when there was no playbook. The made mistakes. Those mistakes cost lives. That what presidents and governors sign on for. That narrative beats Trump's "You should ingest bleach" and "I take no responsibility" narrative any day. |
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28th May 2020, 05:30 AM | #131 |
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28th May 2020, 07:43 AM | #132 |
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I'm sorry those people died. I'm sure Governor Cuomo is sorry they are dead. That happens in crises, it always happens in a crises. I have every confidence that he acted using the best information he had at the time and saved as many people as he could. I see no sense tarnishing Cuomo when it's vital for the good of the nation that Trump be defeated. Unfavorable comparisons to governors like Cuomo and Larry Hogan bring down Trump's approval rating. We can't let sentimentality get in the way of what's good for the country and what's good for the country is removing Trump.
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You seem to be under the impression Reade made this accusation in a court of law. Even had she done so her credibility as an accuser would be questioned. However, Reade pointedly avoided any way in which Biden could be tried or convicted, so your questions are an attempt to make a moot point.
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28th May 2020, 04:13 PM | #141 |
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Of course, all the evidence - and just the evidence - should be considered, but evidence has to be evaluated, and a witness’s testimony without other corroboration -like a he said she said - is evidence for which the only way to evaluate it to judge the credibility of the witness.
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29th May 2020, 04:39 AM | #149 |
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Looks like Klobuchar's chances of getting the VP spot may have dropped. Apparently she chose not to prosecute the Police Officer who murdered Floyd in a previous excessive force citation while she was the county attorney. Whether or not that action was justified, it will definitely cause Biden to lose votes if he picks her.
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29th May 2020, 04:40 AM | #150 |
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For most people, I would think that the next step would be to evaluate whether there are any problems with the story. In this case, there are a number of holes - starting with her changing her story from Biden making her feel uncomfortable by touching her neck and hair to Biden assaulting her (and her brother forgetting to change his story to match hers) - that have only grown larger with time (e.g., other former Biden staff members stating that she wouldn't have been asked to serve drinks at a campaign fundraiser).
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The biggest problem with the story is that it requires too many coincidences and unusual events. Some might claim that there is evidence: that she told several people about an assault within a few years afterwards (I think that it is highly questionable that she did so).
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Of the 3 people now claiming that she did tell them years ago, 2 have completely changed their stories (both were consistent with Reade's claim that it was not sexual up until a month or so ago, now both are consistent with the claim that it was sexual assault). The third didn't even remember until Reade called her to remind her. It's not difficult for skilled con artists to make people remember things that didn't happen, or alter key details in a distant memory. At least one witness (in the NPR article iirc) claimed that she felt Reade was attempting to use her in that manner.
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Perhaps it's time for a moderator to split this thread, so those who want to have their self-described infinite argument over Reade's credibility can troll each other elsewhere? It's obvious none of those involved are ever going to move on from that subtopic, and their childish exchange is preventing everybody else from discussing the topic. Which is Biden, not the nature of credibility or other posters' feelings on the nature of belief.
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