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29th May 2020, 03:28 PM | #201 |
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Good idea. It really wasn't worth responding to as the highlighted sentences reveal its true intention.
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29th May 2020, 03:39 PM | #202 |
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For the assertion that Maddow would not cover the story if she thought it was true is nonsense.
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29th May 2020, 03:51 PM | #203 |
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29th May 2020, 04:54 PM | #204 |
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Yes, I do:
There was a long history of vilifying HRC by the GOP that was quite successful with other voters than fellow GOP. A lot of people who wouldn't vote for her would vote for Biden.
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29th May 2020, 05:37 PM | #207 |
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Not just fox and rush lymphnode.. but the Republican party had been trashing Hillary for a decade prior to the 2016 election. That allows their rhetoric to become deeply ingrained in the psyche of the electorate.
By comparison Biden got very little attention back then. (And very little prior to the current primaries.) Yes he was vp, but he wasn't front and center over things like Benghazi. Yes, Trump's bootlickers will trash Biden from now until November, but I suspect it won't have the same effect as the long-term attacks on Clinton. The dislike won't run as deep. Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk |
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29th May 2020, 05:44 PM | #208 |
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Agreed. What the Trump campaign is planning on and what FOX, Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest of their ilk plan on doing is no different than what they've always done. But dislike for Hillary ran very deep because it stretched back for decades starting when she was First Lady of Arkansas.
On the other hand, there is SO much ammunition against Trump the Dems can and will use against him.... and he just keeps on handing them bullets every day. |
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29th May 2020, 11:20 PM | #213 |
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I'm one of those people, I'll vote for Biden regardless of his VP pick. I'd still like to see a better symbolic pick than someone who just seems like a pick for the usual reasons, which constituents will the VP bring along. Biden doesn't need to do that. But IMO, he should consider a pick that would ease the minds of some of the Warren/Sanders camps.
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30th May 2020, 12:25 AM | #215 |
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I do hope Biden picks Warren, because it would be such a strong signal that the Dems are fielding their A-team.
Warren can cover Biden on policy expertise and against the accusations of working for Wall Street. |
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30th May 2020, 02:45 AM | #216 |
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So Klobuchar's star is falling in the VP consideration, right?
If these riots and anti-police sentiments continue, I can't see how having a DA that never prosecuted a single cop during her career (including our murderer of George Floyd on a previous shooting) is a good choice for the party. May this be the death knell of "tough on crime" Democrats. |
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30th May 2020, 03:14 AM | #217 |
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30th May 2020, 05:34 AM | #219 |
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Not just falling, but in the words of Biden's people "we need to avoid her."
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30th May 2020, 06:22 AM | #220 |
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Dems should talk about Biden. Biden must be in the media. Preferably in good light. For every news article about Trump, there must be one about Biden. It would also help if Biden was not portrayed anti-Trump in every aspect. Trump does, by a pure chance or as an accident, do something right time to time. Just acknowledge that.
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30th May 2020, 06:45 AM | #222 |
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After this week, it has to be Stacey Abrams. Muriel Bowser might have been a good choice but she's got baggage from a search without warrant policy she tried to push through.
Abrams is a lawyer but has never been a prosecutor so she's a great candidate to take on some sort of police reform effort. |
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30th May 2020, 09:20 AM | #223 |
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A 538 VP chat made a good argument for Tammy Duckworth.
Rather than fuss over VP, I think what Biden needs to do right now is just step up and start Presidenting. The lardass in the chair is more concerned with his Twitter than people rioting in the street or dying of a bug, so someone's gotta do it. Imagine you're President Biden. What do you do? Do you hold a press conference to argue for civil order? Press Congress for legislation? Whatever it is, go and do that. Who's going to stop you? Just go do it. He was nominated to be Responsible Grandpa, he ought to go be Mr. Responsible Grandpa President and show the public how it's done. |
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30th May 2020, 10:42 AM | #228 |
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Some think it could happen.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/22/polit...020/index.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...rs/ar-BB11V3DX Losing Warren would make it harder. |
30th May 2020, 11:04 AM | #229 |
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A profile of Duckworth:
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30th May 2020, 11:23 AM | #230 |
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Klobuchar did not decline to prosecute Chauvin.
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Biden needs to not talk Trump at all - only be the Statesman Trump could never hope to be.
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30th May 2020, 11:52 AM | #233 |
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One of the mistakes of 2016 was acting like Trump wasn't a clownish boor and assuming the typical voter would read between the lines. The major media outlets still have trouble calling a lie what it is instead of wrapping it in euphemism to protect the dignity of the office.
By all means Biden should take the high road, but there still needs to be a PAC or something putting out ads reminding people that even Trump's own staff call him a ******* moron. |
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That's not all she might have to answer for.
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You conveniently and blatantly ignore that she no longer held the office at the time. That's an impressive degree of eagerness to assign blame.
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30th May 2020, 01:13 PM | #238 |
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According to the article, the case was referred to a grand jury, which did not return an indictment. Further, the grand jury did not arrive at its decision until after Klobuchar had left the prosecutor's office.
Given that referring such cases to a grand jury was the due process in that jurisdiction at the time, I don't see how she can be held responsible for that outcome. Did Klobuchar have a history of skipping the grand jury and bringing charges directly, but opted not to do so in this case?
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well, I guess that depends on what she told the grand jury ...
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