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31st May 2020, 12:06 PM | #281 |
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31st May 2020, 12:15 PM | #282 |
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The Georgia legislature meets a maximum of 40 days a year. It is not considered a full-time legislature, although many are even more part-time. https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_...me_legislature https://www.ncsl.org/research/about-...islatures.aspx And Georgia is not a "battleground" state. For Biden to pick Abrams wouldn't improve his chances of winning Georgia's electoral votes. The state will necessarily play a minor role in his campaign. And holding a state legislative office is just not the same in terms of the issues dealt with as the national government. Abrams has been very skillful at promoting herself. What are her actual accomplishments, beyond losing a race by a smaller margin than predicted? |
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Then you weren't paying much attention to national news during the last election.
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The Constitution, which was established by "We the People" (pretty democratic-sounding, eh?) has that "promote the general welfare" part that makes good outcomes a goal. So whether democracy per se has the goal of good outcomes or not has little to do with good outcomes as a goal in the U.S., since it is governed by the Constitution.
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Georgia state legislators spend 74% of a full-time job on their legislative position according to your link. That is hardly "minor". The full Assembly meets 40 days a year but that does not mean the legislators aren't working at their jobs such as in committees, etc.
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The following had only state government experience, no federal: Theodore Roosevelt Woodrow Wilson Calvin Coolidge Franklin Roosevelt Jimmy Carter Ronald Reagan Bill Clinton George W. Bush If you want to know Abrams' accomplishments, I suggest you look here: https://staceyabrams.com/wp-content/...plishments.pdf |
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Abrams lost by 1.4% when her opponent was in charge of the vote and played a lot of shenanigans with voter purges. Kemp also had an abysmal record regarding vote security.
Right now, Kemp has the worst approval rating of any Governor in the country*. Abrams being on the ticket might just make GA a battleground state for that alone. *eta: Kemp has the worst approval rating over Covid-19 handling, not the worst approval overall. My mistake |
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She appeared on The View in February and April as is usual for politicians. She appeared alongside Biden on a televised townhall on May 14.
She addressed the Reade allegations on Seat At the Table on May 12. She was very recently interviewed by TIME magazine. Would you like more?
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Yeah, there's no chance in hell I would have heard about her from that source.
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Is it really usual for politicans to appear on The View during election season? It seems like there wouldn't be enough airtime to bring on even half the competitors in half the many races going on throughout the country. I'd say an appearance on the show would be notable for that reason alone (though not notable enough that I'd notice it). I guess there was something about her 2016 that made her notable?
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I'm guessing it's motivated by concern over prolonging the primary slapfight into a slapfight between VP hopefuls, which doesn't really help the nominee or the party. Everybody wants to focus on what the nominee is going to do for the country and how they're going to win the election. I suppose as long as only one person is doing it, there's no slapfight and it's no big deal. It'll be interesting to see what happens in four years, if more than one person goes the Abrams route instead of the traditional route. |
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That doesn't surprise me. The View is definitely left leaning but they do have GOP politicians on, too, including Trump, Donnie Jr., Lindsey Graham, and Matt Gaetz. Perhaps the reason you didn't hear about Abrams during the 2016 election is that you weren't looking at media that didn't lean or just plain fall over right.
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That could be true. Or it could also be that no one wants to stick their necks out publicly and say they want the job and then not get chosen. I don't think going public with it would really influence their chances of getting the VP slot. |
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You're really desperate for a seat in the Abrams bandwagon, aren't you? Eisenhower and Grant led the armies that saved civilization, in Eisenhower's case, and only the Union, in Grant's. I count that as experience in government. Taft had been governor of the Phillppines when it was a U.S. territory and U.S. Secretary of War. All of the others had been state governors, usually for more than one term. Running a state government is just not comparable to sitting in the legislature. I think a successful big-state governor is well-qualified to serve in the White House. Somebody in the State House? Not so much. It's not a knock on Abrams to simply observe that many other prospects are better qualified and more likely to appeal to a national electorate. |
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Actually it's because I don't look at the media much at all, except sometimes when it's cited here. I dropped my cable subscription years ago, but didn't even watch the news before that. I get most of my current events reporting right here, believe it or not.
I wouldn't see her on The View because the format doesn't interest me, and because I don't take such shows seriously in general.
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I intended to ask what was doing "during the last election", not "since the last election." I'm sorry if that got lost in translation somehow.
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Also, Abrams seems to think going public improves her chances. Do you think she's got a point? Or is she making a mistake, in your opinion? |
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I'm in Canada, and get my US news in YouTube clips and this Forum. Yet I heard and saw all kinds of stuff about Stacey Abrams. I followed the shenanigans she was up against in her race with Kemp. And she impressed me with her intelligence and passion. The better person, by furlongs, lost there.
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Noted. I guess we'll have to see if Biden is similarly impressed by her intelligence and passion.
Actually this brings up an interesting question. I'm not sure if it has an answer, though: What kinds of plans do presidential candidates make, about how to use the power of the vice presidency? I imagine some of them are just looking for a nondescript placeholder. Someone who will satisfy the constitutional requirement to have an ass in that particular seat. Someone who can be trusted to vote the right way on Senate tie-breakers. Someone who will otherwise do pretty much nothing. And I imagine others have big plans that require more heads and hands than the president and their cabinet alone can provide. In that case, someone with intelligence and passion for those plans could come in handy. I even imagine that still others want a specialist for some special task. Someone who knows how to do one important thing really well, and gets the job so they can get it done. I wonder what kind of job Biden has in mind, for his VP. |
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That would require a colon. You know, one of these things: :::::::.
Watch for yourself, the long version is worse. And yes, the lack of an 's' on loves was a typo. Watching the video again I see I also left out "the". "MAGA loves the black people." Probably harder to tell given Trump uses MAGA as a noun there. That dude is so racist and he has no clue; or maybe he does and he thinks this rot makes him look not racist. |
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Wow.
I was responding to your statement that "holding a state legislative office is just not the same in terms of the issues dealt with as the national government," by giving examples of past presidents who had never held a national government position. Resorting to an ad hominem doesn't show my desperation.
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She was great yesterday, wasn't she.
Abrams is known for almost winning governorship of a red state had it not been for GOP control of the voting machine. Obviously Georgians thought she was qualified for a significant office. I'd also like to see Susan Rice considered along with these others. I think I said that before. |
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It would be impossible to bring ALL politicians onto the show and usually the candidates for the higher national positions appear. But if an interesting/unusual state race is occurring, candidates can appear, too.
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I hadn't even thought about her but she owned the new cycle and more importantly, she owned Trump for a few hours today. I don't know much about her but a mayor of a major, American city with who battled Covid 19, police brutality and Trump, sounds like VP material to me.
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LOL. I just realized:
ME: What makes Abrams unusual? STACY: She appeared on The View, which isn't unusual. ME: Really? It seems like it would be unusual. STACY: Actually it is unusual. |
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As noted above, Eisenhower and Grant were supreme commanders so had to deal with national politics. Eisenhower lead a coalition of 27 different national armies, so had great experience of politics. Of the rest of the list; Teddy Roosevelt, Carter, Reagan and Bush were military officers who dealt with both service politics, and national issues. Reagan and Carter were assigned to intensely political units. Reagan with the Battle of Hollywood, producing media for public influence, and Carter to the Nuclear Submarine program back when it was controversial both within the service, and with Congress. |
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Hmmm....that's an 'interesting' take of our conversation. Not accurate, but interesting in the same way that Barr and Trump interpreted Mueller's report as a "complete exoneration" of Trump when Mueller said it did not exonerate him. I think I see why people go round and round with you.
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That is stretching "experience in politics" to the breaking point. They were not involved in anything but military matters. They were not involved during the wars in instituting policy, making laws, etc. They never voted in Congress for anything.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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