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What difference will giving my answer again make? This is the fourth iteration of this thread. The autopsy records have been discussed at length.
At this point, I want to know if you even read the autopsy, so why don't you explain what the autopsy says it is, then give me a viable reason why I should not deffer to the judgement of those who performed the autopsy? |
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Are you sure about that?
You keep saying it is silly, but you have yet to state if you read the autopsy document or not. But hey ho. "Slightly" is a subjective term. Some might suggest the entry wound visible to everybody but you in the photographs is "slightly" above the occiptiat protruberance. More likely you have read a conspiracy book that insists on the location being relative to the protruberance and not the occipital bone, which would, quite frankly, put it bang on the clearly photographed entry wound. But by all means... continue to post photographs of a mark you want to squint at and call an alternative hole, without showing any sign that you know where on the skull you are looking at. |
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I have a new question:
If the autopsy DID describe the entry wound as being "2 centimeters to the right and slightly above the external occipital protuberance", why is it that so many pathologists seem to read those records and materials so very differently: The HSCA concluded the autopsy record places the entry wound Four Inches above the protrubence. The four pathologists Ramsey Clark gave the autopsy records to in the sixties stated it was 25mm to the right of, and 100mm above the protrubence. And throughout the HSCA discussion of the xrays, the discussion of the occipital defect is places consistently exactly where MichaJava says it wasn't... Hmm. One might almost think he has seen a few grainy photographs he is interpreting as a layman and had not read the autopsy itself... |
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Probably because the shills realized that such a low hole in the head means Oswald didn't do it. The people who were there know the hole was low in the head.
What exactly do you think that object in the open-cranium photographs is? Why does it look like you can see the edges of the bone? |
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And yet, when we read the autopsy, it appears to be because your interpretation was wrong. So... Did you ever read the autopsy itself?
It may look like you can see the edge of the bone to you but your opinion is worth nothing. You identified where you think that mark tallies to the colour photographs and there was no wound where you marked, and one where the autopsy places it (oh look, the shills are right...) |
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Of course, we are not even addressing an obvious question yet:
Does the "wound" MichaJava keeps asking me to identify match to the position he keeps claiming the entry wound should be? |
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Well, I am no pathologist, but I would suggest it was the trauma of the gunshot. The pressure of the bullet caused mass ejecta from the exit wound, but all that force would have been spreading out through the skull. What do you expect to happen when it reaches the skull bones?
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Nope. You're "working" from bad information.
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I'm also guessing you've never been punched in the nose, because it's a wonderful learning experience about blood pressure as it relates to the head, and how your body works hard to fight gravity by placing large veins to direct a heavy flow of blood in and out of your head. Bullets, even a .22, are worse than a fist.
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I mean, you seem to not understand that that the brain is sealed in the skull, and a subsonic round won't pass through the skull, and a wound in the back of the head is nowhere near the throat, and while the brain hemorrhages - none of that blood goes anywhere but out of the hole the bullet made coming in. You're really not good at this. |
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Axxman - Just google "do gunshots to the head always create a large blood splatter?". You're making things up. And I'm saying the bullet only grazed the brain before smashing the posterior base of the skull. Of course, there's no expectation that any projectile would go in a straight line after this, so something could indeed exit the throat.
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Why do you expect other posters to make your case?
If you can't be bothered to bring facts into evidence why should anyone else? ETA: someone other than the usual suspect may be interested in learning something about GSW's. This is a good place to start: http://www.tdcaa.com/sites/default/f...t%20Wounds.pdf |
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It is interesting.
"Nobody who saw the skull said..." following so soon after "probably because they are shills who..." Those who saw the skull when JFK was alive were working on the large exit wound, trying to save his life. They didn't lift the head to be able to examine the damage. Those who studied the skull after death were apparently untrustworthy shills... Whom is being referred to? |
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Would you care to show why the timescale of their investigations make their opinions less valid?
And I would love to know how they "moved" the wound? The photographs, despite your opinion, shows the wound where they claim (what you call the "cowlick" wound for some reason). As does the autopsy report (which I am now convinced you have never read). You are trying to suggest the wound was described in a different position after the autopsy. Yet it was not. You said you didn't need witnesses because the autopsy proved the entry wound was "slightly" above the occipital protrubence. It puts it 100mm above. |
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Do you have any person who saw the body and placed the small head wound above the level of the ears?
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No. It does not. You have kept saying that, but you have never been able to show it.
The strongest evidence being the autopsy, the x rays, the photographs, all show the wound 100mm above the protrubence. This has consistently been confirmed, by all experts who look at the records and the material. |
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Facts are not required to be entertaining.
Fiction usually must be. The simple explanation that you wish to hand wave away is that people make mistakes, and the subject under discussion is no different that any other event humans get involved with - folks made mistakes across the board, and in CT land human frailty is not a recognized or accepted phenomenon. Again, how do we go from "Hundreds" dead to 63 in the '89 earthquake? Were "Hundreds" dead? was the number covered up later and downsized to 63? was the difference a deliberate act, or could every question be answered by an acknowledgement that humans make mistakes, or guess, or flat out make **** up now and then? |
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On the level of the ears measured from where.
The autopsy places the wound 100mm (or 4 inches depending on which scale you prefer) above the protrubence. Are you claiming the autopsy was performed without seeing the body? Because you keep saying "nobody who saw the body..." And yet we have their records. |
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It doesn't match any information given by the autopsy professionals, except being the focus of the photographs, clearly an entry wound, and measurably where they describe it.
I think it is becoming increasingly clear that you have not read, or have not understood the autopsy. You keep arguing that it says something it simply does not. |
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You are confused or are trying to confuse lurkers. If you mean the large head wound being identified as an exit wound, we've already gone over information showing that this could be a revision.
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