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Sure it is, but that's what some some functions of mathematical equations represent.
The sum of the parts of the pie are nicely represented by a whole number, divide the pie, and the sections are represented as infinite according to the math. The math doesn't adequately represent reality in all cases. |
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A derail of epic proportions, but the crowd is going wild. This is like watching a streaker run onto the field during a football match, except twice as embarrassing...
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Not really, it's right on target with the topic. Mathematical principles are used to demonstrate reality. These simple problems of division, 1/3 and pi, show the limitations of using math to explain very fundamental observations.
My conclusion based on the above is that our perception of reality is finite whereas the math, in some instances, states otherwise. To assume there is nothing past what we can measure or observe is a type of bias. |
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Jodie, modulo. Modulo, Jodie. Only atoms remain.
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No, they just illustrate a shortcoming of a particular form of mathematical notation. Irrational numbers can't be written down using numerals, but they can be precisely defined using other forms of notation such as geometry. If they couldn't be defined precisely we could not know that they are irrational. And numbers like 1/3 can be expressed perfectly using numerals, for example as I've just done in this sentence. |
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That is the failure of the mathematical formula in representing what we see in reality. You can cherry pick the situations where mathematics can be used to explain the universe but that creates a bias when you ignore all of the instances where math fails to represent what we see in nature. The language of mathematics has it's limitations in representing concepts of reality therefore using science, which is based on the language of mathematics, as "proof" to state there is no life after death is a failure in logic IMO.
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I find it odd that you believe that the existence of infinite rational or irrational numbers somehow invalidate math as a description of reality. Measure the length of the pencil on you desk with a very precise ruler- it is almost certainly not a whole number. Almost surely it will be an infinite series of numbers: 6.01498255.. long, in cm (an arbitrarily chosen unit). It would be a different set of numbers in inches. So what? Why must physical things work out to a perfect length of any arbitrarily chosen units for math to be useful? I can still tell you the length, using math, of two of those pencils placed end to end. Measure 100 pencils and I could use math to calculate the mean length and standard deviation.
"Perfection" is a concept of religion, not physics. If you wish your pencil to be a "perfect" whole number length, then define a new length in math called "Jodie's pencil." Then your pencil will be exactly 1 unit long. The math would be the same as the math we now use, just employing your new unit. If you want pi to be a rationale number, just define it to be the new unit, pi. Oh, we already have a symbol for that new unit, don't we? |
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No. The notation takes the form of an infinite series of digits if you choose to represent it that way. The quantity represented by those digits is finite. There is no contradiction.
Even then, you can quite easily represent the quantity without a repeating series of digits, like so: 1/3. You do not understand math. |
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Weather prediction.
Wave/particle theory. "It seems as though we must use sometimes the one theory and sometimes the other, while at times we may use either. We are faced with a new kind of difficulty. We have two contradictory pictures of reality; separately neither of them fully explains the phenomena of light, but together they do". Einstein Mathematics is an incomplete language, it only reflects what we know, and maybe somethings yet to be discovered. I can't assume reality ends when I die because science says it does. |
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We don't see light as either particles or waves, it takes two very recent theories considering how long mankind has been around, to explain it. Also, we only see a very small spectrum of that light. Light that is out of our visual spectrum usually behaves as either a particle at lower frequencies or waves at higher frequencies so you have to choose which mathematical theory to apply to the situation. That doesn't reflect what see or don't see as our reality, it only reflects potential.
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Your words drip wisdom like a Komodo's lips; so tangible is your cutting insight. We cannot see because our math does not divide — all is potential. The death waves sparkle about the algebraic infidelity of our corpses, a spark cloud of particles hypothetical at best.
Who are we, pale humans, to question the unplumbed depths of this arduous spectrum that humans claim? How convenient that we invent that which we define to invent! All the while we deal death a false hand, leaving its prophets to wail without voice — for sound cannot carry across mere definition. We cruelly stub these vast ideas with our materials; leaving sharp science lying about on the landscape, tines-up. To see the graves in their trillions from this new perspective, this potential, is a light bulb of the brightest lead. It erupts across the death-sphere, a fire of rumour: we might live after death! The body is not the self! The tangles of math are so much symbolic spillage! Each skull grins its thanks for ending their ostracism. Now the bones of our waveforms can dance upon the night skies of whatever. We do not need to count. Surely the new prophets have come and they bring tidings: we can't know what we know because, you know? |
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Mathematics is a convenient way to describe reality, in this example it's light, and you can pick and choose which theory you want to use to demonstrate that reality, that's cherry picking is it not?
If the mathematics of the science behind near death experience is that inexact then science can't be used as evidence, or proof, that there is no life after death. All it describes is how the brain functions at the point of death. |
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It's no different than the example of dividing a whole into thirds or pi. The theory doesn't adequately explain what light is even when you combine both the wave and the particle theory to explain what it is we see in our band of the spectrum. The combined theory doesn't work at all once you go out of our visual spectrum in either direction.
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Whut??????? "I don't understand mathematics, therefore afterlife?"
This is a very strange form of special pleading at work. You appear to have concluded that poisoning the well on mathematics invalidates any science that uses numbers. Hang on a second, though... That does NOT create evidence in favor of your assertions, particularly if those assertions use numbers anywhere... |
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