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1st February 2017, 09:53 PM | #1 |
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“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”
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More intolerance (to say the least) from the left. I'd say it was only a few individuals who ruined it, but it was not. Dozens of masked students started fires, stormed barricades, threw bricks, fireworks and "smoking objects" at police, knocked over and vandalized a generator and light that were set up, smashed windows....I forget the rest. I wonder if they were actually students at all. I guess Berkeley, along with government officials all over the state, don't care that 74% of Californians are against sanctuary cities. According to Berkeley's own newspaper.... http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/09/04/...y-flexibility/ Unfortunately only a sample size of over a thousand people, but...
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Why would anyone want that? To give free reign of the entire state to illegals (there are millions here already in Cali...millions.), AND to have the taxpayers pay for their legal defense? Get stuffed! I already expect some "Cali is stupid you should sink into the sea" posts - save it, you're preaching to the choir. This state is completely out of control. Any Californians here think making Cali a sanctuary state is a good idea? If so, please tell me why, especially if you actually pay taxes in this state. Why am I asking - this state voted in Jerry Brown - AGAIN! Holy gawddam... |
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1st February 2017, 09:55 PM | #2 |
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Milo could not have asked for better publicity.
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1st February 2017, 10:09 PM | #3 |
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The Berkeley Black Hood Mob is smashing windows, starting fires and destroying property.
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The Three Word Story Pledge of Allegiance- "I Hereby swear upon Engelbert's grave that I will gallop, not stride run, not walk posting three words on Shemp's honor, honoring: bananas, dwarfs, clarinets, [the 7th naughty forum word], haggis, Batman, nuns, wombats until such time as I'm sober. Or dead." "Some people have a way with words, other people...Um...Oh...Uh, not have way." -Steve Martin |
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1st February 2017, 10:10 PM | #4 |
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Berkeley getting torn up by anarchist wannabees. BFD. Preaching to the choir.
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1st February 2017, 10:17 PM | #5 |
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Great publicity for Milo as his new book "Dangerous" is set to be released soon. I wanted to go to this event, but was disappointed when I tried to buy tickets in late November and it was already sold out. In light of recent events, I just knew there was going to be a riot.
This just drives home the point, if it hasn't been obvious enough already: the real greatest threat to the US is the hysterical intolerance and dogmatism of the progressive left. |
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1st February 2017, 10:19 PM | #6 |
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Don't those idiots show up to pretty much every protest around there to trash things?
Any, that Milo clown's just some troll who managed to get banned from Twitter for leading too many hate mobs. There's no point in bringing him onto campus except for attracting protests and mayhem, so I have no sympathy for the campus republican group. |
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The Three Word Story Pledge of Allegiance- "I Hereby swear upon Engelbert's grave that I will gallop, not stride run, not walk posting three words on Shemp's honor, honoring: bananas, dwarfs, clarinets, [the 7th naughty forum word], haggis, Batman, nuns, wombats until such time as I'm sober. Or dead." "Some people have a way with words, other people...Um...Oh...Uh, not have way." -Steve Martin |
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1st February 2017, 10:48 PM | #9 |
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Maybe I'm missing something but this seems like a great victory for the alt-right. Paints their opponents in the worst light, generates great clickbait, probably boosts book sales, gives them a nice victim narrative. I'm just going to take a page from the CT fringe of the alt-right and call this one a false flag. Trump probably had the CIA do this. MKULTRA on college campuses and what-not. Any absence of evidence is simply proof of a skilled cover-up.
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1st February 2017, 10:54 PM | #11 |
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The alt-right and ctrl-left were made for each other.
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1st February 2017, 10:55 PM | #12 |
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Who gives a rip? We're supposed to be angels of virtue while the minority alt-right takes over the government and drags it toward the drain or WWIII, it's unclear which at this point.
And you start a thread whining about some protestors who have had enough! Color me unconcerned. |
1st February 2017, 10:55 PM | #13 |
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..."the left" didn't start a riot.
Some people started a riot. And here's the thing. This won't be the last. Get used to this America. As long as the Trump administration holds unlimited power and it treats the constitution as a doormat there will be people that will protest. This is going to get ugly. Real ugly. I'm not going to condone the violence that will happen. I'm not going to defend what happened at Berkeley. But we are in the middle of a propaganda war. And the Trump Administration will be doing exactly the same as what has already started to happen in this thread: they will use this as an example of how the "left hates free speech." And they will say this while they quietly and quickly work behind the scenes to dismantle the "checks and balances" that were once a hallmark of what was the United States of America. It won't take a lot for the Trump Administration to escalate in response. And they will escalate. No amount of "milo could not have asked for better publicity" is going to mitigate that. We could all appeal for calm but there is so much fear and anxiety out there that if things didn't explode here, they would explode somewhere else. This isn't something anyone can control. Not until a proper form of leadership forms itself out of the disparate groups that are opposing the Trump regime. The very least that we can do here is not to become mouthpieces for the Administration. Milo is a disgusting, repulsive human being, and we should not be helping him by being sucked into his talking points. Milo is a professional troll and getting people irrationally angry is what he does. He succeeded here. We don't need to signal boost his success. |
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"Wut is wut teh tol-er-ance looks like?"
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2nd February 2017, 12:00 AM | #15 |
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Unlike the Punch Richard Spencer event, this one gets no traction for the black block. They've been breaking windows and setting rubbish bin fires for two decades, now.... longer if you count the shock troops of the old Anti-War demonstration, with much the same "Ho Hum" reaction.
There may be a couple of people who get excited because it's the poster boy for misogyny (and runner up to Julian Assange in the Best Dye Job elimination round). His followers need no convincing, though and I doubt he's picking up any new ones. It'll get the Misogynist Wing of the GOP back in the news for a few days; they've been feeling like wallflowers while all the Nazis got all the press over the last few weeks. It's a lose/lose situation. More accurately a news/news situation. Milo will get another gig sponsored by the Young Americans for Freedom at another university, and the black bloc will go on to do what they do. |
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2nd February 2017, 12:12 AM | #16 |
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Not going to happen. What is going to take control is an increasingly authoritarian Trump government which will gain more and more support from the middle who will soon be demanding an end to senseless violence and disorder. These idiots make it much, much easier for Republican senators and congress members (as well as Democrats in republican heavy areas and states) to support whatever the Trump administration does.
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2nd February 2017, 12:26 AM | #17 |
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Their intolerance is perfectly justified, because as everyone knows, Trump is Hitler and Bannon is a Nazi -- at least according to the myriad comments made at this forum.
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2nd February 2017, 12:44 AM | #18 |
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Hmmmm... Tempest in a Tea Pot. Once again, posters decrying special snowflakes all the while demanding that they be given special snowflake status.
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2nd February 2017, 01:14 AM | #19 |
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The rioters have nothing to do with Trump, Milo, or really anyone else. The Black Bloc idiots have been doing this at every protest I can remember in the Berkley area (they're pretty active in Oakland too) going back long before either one of those two clown were of any real importance. And this is really all that Milo's good for, either - and he makes his money by provoking this sort of thing. If you aren't directly affected by the nonsense these two groups kick up, and you're outraged by it, you're being played for a sucker.
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2nd February 2017, 01:19 AM | #20 |
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...you haven't actually disagreed with anything I've said.
This relatively minor incident (in the grand scheme of things) is a propaganda boom for the Trump administration. And there are going to be more and more of them. There is nothing we will be able to do to control (as you call them) "these idiots." They are going to do what they are going to do. The Trump regime are very very quickly dismantling the frameworks that once made "America Great." And the more they do this: the more helpless people will feel. Look at what they have done in a few days. Look at what they apparently have planned to come. https://www.thenation.com/article/le...iscrimination/ Look at what they are doing. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15G5VO The decision to not use the word "Jews" in the Presidents statement on Holocaust Remembrance Day was important. Pence's choice to mention only Abe Lincoln in his statement at the start of Black History Month is important. They are making very clear signals to their nationalist allies exactly where they stand. As people become more and more marginalised they will loose hope: and eventually they will break. This isn't coming. It is already here. Yes: it is going to make it much easier for Republican senators and congress members (as well as Democrats in republican heavy areas and states) to support whatever the Trump administration does. The question everyone needs to ask themselves is are you going to make it easier for the Trump Regime or harder for them? It is easy to point and laugh at the protestors, lament that they are making it harder for everyone, call them SJW's and snowflakes. You can signal boost this on behalf of the Trump regime if you wish. Or you can call it as it is. A professional troll has taken his antics from the internet and is applying them in real life, and he got the angry reaction he was looking for. The time will come in real life where you are going to have to pick a side. I'm going to throw my bit in with the opposition. I've made my choice. I do not advocate rioting. I do not advocate nor support destruction of property or hurting anybody. But I'm not going to be a pawn of the Trump Regime. And you guys shouldn't be pawns either. |
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Seems what started as a protest against Milo turned into a general riot that spread downtown:
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2nd February 2017, 02:26 AM | #22 |
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The better protest would've been to ignore Milo who is nothing more than an internet troll. Trolls hate being ignored more than anything.
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2nd February 2017, 03:11 AM | #23 |
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Where are the leaders of the larger Muslim community? How come they aren't speaking out against this violence? Until Muslims denounce this type of stuff, anything else they say will sound hypocritical.
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Antifa makes Milo an overnight millionaire by timing violent protest perfectly with his book deal.
Milo's act is pretty brilliant if you ask me. Dressing up conservative opinions with 1980's-Eddie-Murphy-stand-up vulgarity + hamming up his gay act. And taking that roadshow into the belly of the beast to see if they flip their ****. He exposes the campus lefties as intolerant anti-free-speech nutso's, and simultaneously builds a personal brand and makes bank from his tour and future book-sales. And Antifa has just propelled him out of the campus/twitter-sphere and into the mainstream. NYT bestseller list, here he comes. Antifa are going to have a remarkably bourgeois experience this December, when they receive a Christmas card from Milo's publisher. |
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Every ideology is a special snowflake that must be protected and treated with love and acceptance and understanding...
...unless that ideology is Islamic, or favors equal rights for LGBT, or is secular, or advocates worker's rights, or a woman's right to choose what to do with her body, or favors multiculturalism, or fact-based media coverage. |
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C/P of my thoughts shared elsewhere:
Who needs agents provocateur when we provide our own for free? Way to hand them the exact narrative they wanted. So instead of Milo talking to a half empty room and selling a dozen books, he got to upgrade the venue to prime time news networks and make his case to millions of people that we're the intolerant ones. Think of civil unrest like a highly specialized trade craft or art form. It takes years to learn the hows and whys. I only know of two valid reasons to set fires as part of a protest: 1) Area denial: to prevent being flanked and kettled if you are aware of an imminent attempt to do so. It can also be used during a retreat to delay attempts to engage in pursuit. 2) Decontamination: to create a heat hall to raise tear gas up and over the crowd so that medics can provide treatment to affected people. This one comes courtesy of veterans, having witnessed such occur from the other perspective. What conceivable purpose is this giant and recklessly dangerous blaze going to accomplish? How are we any closer to our goals of equality and freedom because of this fire? Does anyone think that a person (not already on board with the ideals described) sitting at home watching this on the news is suddenly thinking to themselves "Well, I wasn't convinced before, but now I want to join the cause!" Morons. I'm not joking when I say people like this are only a razor thin margin less of a threat to the struggle we're about to get into than the actual enemies we have. If we don't have the backing of the public, we will not win. At some philosophical level if we don't have the backing of the public, we probably SHOULDN'T win. |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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2nd February 2017, 05:34 AM | #38 |
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Actually, Milo has been met with meltdowns by liberals on campus where ever he has gone. They've never reached the level of vandalism in Berkeley last night, but there have almost always been organized disruptions of his speeches and harassment of people on their way to his talk or leaving it.
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Meanwhile Trump and all the other war-mongering reactionaries are doing exactly what ISIS wants them to do: bringing to reality the fantasy propaganda meme they've been pushing for decades of the "West's War On Islam". But you don't see any of the Trump apologists decrying that with anything like the self-righteous smug calling out of "the Left" we see in this thread, do we? What a surprise, huh. |
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