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11th May 2015, 08:46 AM | #121 |
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Its the soul that leaves the body and will exist forevermore, absorbed in it, all life's memories/experiences
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11th May 2015, 03:52 PM | #123 |
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Jut three small hints for you:
1. The use of the term "quantum" does not explain any paranormal event and does not mean what paranormal believers appear to think it means. 2, Neither does "uncertainty principle." 3. Neither does "multiverse." This term, in particular, does not mean define a special dimensional location that allows our "souls" to live after death. There are more, but I don't have the time right now. More generally, you are grossly misusing words that mean very specific things, to explain or justify other things to which they do not apply. Almost all of your arguments here are based on your apparent unwillingness to accept a concept based on your lack of knowledge of the relevant and well-established facts that support this concept. People here have been very happy to help, and to direct you toward the established facts. These facts would explain the many things that you have posted as mysterious and unexplained, but I don't see any signs from your posts that you have made use of these opportunities to discover the actual answers to your questions. Instead, your posts appear to follow the reverse process: an advocacy of a misbegotten theory that can only be justified through ignorance of the facts, and a refusal to accept the reality/facts least they disprove the theory. |
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Maybe there are invisible dragons in my garage. You just never know.
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12th May 2015, 08:55 AM | #129 |
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13th May 2015, 09:38 AM | #135 |
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I shock I have not seen people point out Alzheimer's or other Brain illness. Parts of their brains are dying or damage and remembering parts of the past. So your mind working on parts that are still working in this case the past. Then things like Epilepsy.
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13th May 2015, 09:57 AM | #136 |
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Of course it doesn't have quite the appeal to the religious, but in truth, all of these accounts of "Near-Death Experiences" are really "Unconscious or Nearly So Experiences." So they are really accounts of what people interpret as thoughts while passing out. No one really dies and comes back, so I don't understand why these passing-out experiences are thought in any way to be accounts of an afterlife: if you are driving but the car breaks down before got to downtown Cleveland, then you account of your experiences are not, in any way, a first-person account of downtown Cleveland.
No unsurprisingly, many of the "Near Death Experiences" match the experiences of people passing out for more mundane reasons, such as lack of oxygen. And not surprisingly, many of the details are exactly what a person's culture tells them that they should experience. Not to mention the outright lies and elaborations that embellish many of these stories. |
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Or not, if the soul existed which I doubt, it is so unlike anything like life that it may be like saying the object next to the pool will remember the shadow it cast on the bottom of the pool.
Why should something that is not of this world and unlike it in any way 'remember' life. |
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19th June 2015, 05:33 AM | #145 |
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When you think that the conclusions of the aware study are convincing (about the images on the seiling), you must read about "the invisible Gorilla-experiment":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6qgoM89ekM People don't even see a gorilla in a room. So, don't think that because Out of Body-experiencers don't see the images on the seiling, "it must be a hallucination". The invisible Gorilla-experiment shows us the failure of human perception. See also:http://www.theinvisiblegorilla.com/g...xperiment.html |
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'Where' is the image in the mind? What 'space' is the image in your mind in? Where is the dream? Where is your inner voice? It's not the same spacetime then where the electrical and chemical pulses are in the brain, causing this image or the dream. The image you see in your mind's eye is in a completely different dimension than where the chemistry in the brain is. (Maarten Vergucht) |
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The point of the 'image on the ceiling' experiment was to provide the first ever opportunity to obtain objective evidence that apparent OBEs were really OBEs. The experiment could not prove OBEs were not genuine, it could only prove they were. No such objective evidence was obtained.
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19th June 2015, 07:20 AM | #147 |
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19th June 2015, 07:30 AM | #148 |
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There are MANY topics in human biology and psychology that you need to understand yet my friend...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivated_reasoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_brain_interpreter |
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Nice. If the "Out of Body-experiencers" had seen the images, it would have proved the afterlife; they didn't, but that's explained by a gorilla-experiment-like "failure of human perception." Either way, the outcome supports your conclusion (reminiscent of the dedicated Christian's "god answers all prayers, sometimes he just says no"), and the test is useless. Please tell me you're not still pretending this is science, Maartenn.
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19th June 2015, 09:22 AM | #151 |
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Your conclusion requires non corporeal perception to exist for it to be able to not focus 'it's' attention on images placed high up.
This is a very basic mistake. Your presentation of the "invisible Gorilla-experiment" shows us the irrationality laden failure of your thinking. |
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It's the assumption that a forum full of sceptics need to be told about the famous "Did you see the gorilla?" experiment that amazes me. ISTR Robin1 (she of the unwavering belief in the authenticity of John Edward) also being under the impression that we weren't already very familiar with it, and similarly twisting (or more likely simply not understanding) its significance.
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20th June 2015, 03:00 AM | #154 |
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Selective bias. The Gorilla experiment = science. When you don't accept science when you don't like it = not really good critical thinking.
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'Where' is the image in the mind? What 'space' is the image in your mind in? Where is the dream? Where is your inner voice? It's not the same spacetime then where the electrical and chemical pulses are in the brain, causing this image or the dream. The image you see in your mind's eye is in a completely different dimension than where the chemistry in the brain is. (Maarten Vergucht) |
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The Gorilla example shows us that our visual system is imperfect. Focus on some areas can leave blind spots.
Your focus on out of body/near-death experiences is causing you to miss a blind spot too: the many facts surrounding the subject that weigh against it. You now accuse skeptics of not seeing the evidence for it, because we are looking so hard at the opposite. This sounds reasonable, but all the discussions in this thread show that skeptics do not behave this way. So, you should bring evidence that skeptics are missing the gorilla on the ceiling. |
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Let's break this down, Maartenn. The OOB experiment was set up to test whether those experiencing it were experiencing something real, by putting images where they could only be seen out-of-body. What you're doing here, with the Gorilla Experiment, is begging the question the OOB experiment was designed to test- you're just giving the putative OOBers an excuse for why they failed the test. When you do this, you've simply assumed the OOB and made the experiment for it pointless. As I said, it's like Christians with their "god answers all prayers, sometimes he says no" rationale- a prayer is a test for god made useless by faith; any outcome "passes" the test because it satisfies the faith.
You're not doing science here, Maartenn, you're making a travesty of it, mouthing the words and distorting the form. |
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I see you learned some words from rationalwiki or similiar place and throw them randomly now. It won't work.
More seriously, Gorilla experiment as explanation why OOBEs didn't seen images is just very pathetic excuse. Why? People overlooked gorilla, because they were focused on something else. Circumstances of image on ceiling was very different, so these two situations are not comparable. You just searched for excuse for something that would at least superficially explain away failure of OOBE. It won't work. |
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Another way they're not comparable is that, in the original "invisible gorilla" experiment:
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First time I watched the Gorilla vid, I saw it. I must say that I was warned by the surrounding tone of the article that linked to it, so I may have peeled an extra eye.
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