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2nd February 2017, 11:23 AM | #201 |
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2nd February 2017, 11:25 AM | #202 |
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I agree. It was common knowledge his appearance would coincide with protests. Whether poor planning or a poor policy for protest/riot police on campus, it shouldn't have escalated from what was a small portion of the student population causing trouble.
This is just a terrible analogy. Students protesting a controversial figure is equivalent to the KKK in a small town rallying in front of a black family burning crosses? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just hastily threw together a counter point but honestly, that is not close to a comparable situation. As to the Feds coming in to make a change, what specific thing are we going to be hoping they do exactly? Squash civil protests as a defense for freedom of speech? No good there. Take over local law enforcement to react to civil unrest in a harsher way? With what authority? Can't have Feds waiting for something to happen at every college in the country. Seems like something local government should be handling. Whatever damage is done, there will be a cost to someone. Let them have their voices heard if they want any specific changes to ensure it doesn't happen again. |
2nd February 2017, 11:26 AM | #204 |
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Here's the problem. They don't support or care about you one bit more than that 'other side.'
You are useful to them in terms of having someone to hide behind and take batons to the face for them after they throw the brick and run away like cowards. If you object to being used like that, they'll say you're not showing solidarity with them. If you refuse to engage in violence with them, they'll say you lack resolve. If you ask them to stop throwing bricks, they'll tell you how dare you oppress them. If you eject them from your march, they'll say you're traitors. If you finger them to the cops for committing crimes and threatening the public goodwill of your movement, they'll call you collaborators. Are you seeing a pattern here? |
2nd February 2017, 11:27 AM | #205 |
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2nd February 2017, 11:29 AM | #206 |
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Joking aside,I find that some people here think violence is OK to keep someone from speaking to be disgusting. Frankly, they are no better then Trump when it comes to free speech.
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2nd February 2017, 11:32 AM | #208 |
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Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein. |
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2nd February 2017, 11:37 AM | #213 |
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I like imagining all the hypocrites out there too. Reinforces my beliefs and all, cause typically my imagined hypocrisy in another has a mirror image of no such hypocrisy in my beliefs on the same subject.
I guess I just genuinely see all this stuff as a tempest in a teapot - if people wanna hear milo they still can. THis is more culture war flashpoint, and this thread demonstrates that quite quickly - than it is a signal event in the eternal fight for the protection of individual rights from adverse rollback. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.... I guess? Wake me up when there's something interesting happening... |
2nd February 2017, 11:39 AM | #214 |
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I agree, it is just sort of this happens about once a year in Berkeley over some issue. It is just getting massive publicity this time.
Andother Norcal saying: "It is always 1968 in Berkeley". But that riot footage was close to a really good Indian Restaurant in Berkeley;hope it was not damaged. They do a great Chicken Marsala. |
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2nd February 2017, 11:41 AM | #215 |
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2nd February 2017, 11:52 AM | #217 |
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When someone is saying they want to deprive you of the home and life you have built in America would you be polite in your response? It's a question of perspective. You think you're protecting America, they are rightly fearful of their future. I don't agree with their tactics, but I do understand them.
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2nd February 2017, 11:53 AM | #218 |
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Trump 2020 is a lock at this rate
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After a bit of digging, they seem to have been posted by last week by Breitbart, who was quoting the San Diego Union-Tribune, who were probably referencing an online survey done by Berkeley in 2015.
I'm providing that simply as information; I am not going to defend the reliability of online surveys or the relevance of a 2015 survey to the current political environment. /derail |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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It's certainly desperately weak. If it doesn't look like tolerance that's probably not what it is.
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2nd February 2017, 12:08 PM | #224 |
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4 years is a lot of time. What the dynamic will be in a year is hard to judge let alone 4. I can't imagine that if the orange turd continues to cause this much turmoil that he will be reelected. He didn't have a majority in this election. But Trump and the Republicans I'm sure will be hard at work to disenfranchise as many voters as possible.
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2nd February 2017, 12:10 PM | #226 |
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This is why Republicans will pass more laws to make voting inaccessible. For example, in NC, Republicans already passed bills that allow only Republicans to be in the state election committee during election years. Democrats have "equal" access by having the committee during non-election years.
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Caught this one before I logged in.
I watched a young woman get pepper sprayed in the face while doing a TV interview. Another person was knocked out. I'm watching these asshats burn and destroy their campus - who will pay for this? Taxpayers? Yeah right I'M whining? <SNIP> and your buddies over here our destroying their own campus. You people need to calm the hell down - but then again, you, yes you since you support them, are once again playing to Trumps tune. You think people are going to tolerate this? Do you think you are convincing a single person that you are somehow right? WWIII - I hope someday you all will look back and see how infantile your behavior is. To me it's twilight zone.
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Do we know these weren't false flag violence spewers?
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Perhaps one level between a broken window and full-scale war is beating a person to a level of unconsciousness.
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This isn't really about the students - of course most did not get violent. I'm hearing that over 100 did, but numbers are all over the place. I wonder how many are cool with it.
It doesn't matter. My first reaction was to knee-jerk hate Berkeley, but were these people paid to do this? Was it sponsored? It's the bigger picture I'm concerned about, not Berkeley. People are getting attacked - not widespread, but condoning this only adds to that fire. Your gal lost the election. Deal with it. The racists and KKK handled the first black president better than this. These people are exactly what they are protesting against. |
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