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View Poll Results: Where do 10 pounds of body fat go when you lose them?
Ha! I knew this already! 27 60.00%
Not difficult - thinking about this for a bit, I think I know now 9 20.00%
I have a hunch - but am not sure 3 6.67%
I have no freaking idea. Mystery! Please solve! 2 4.44%
On planet X, no one has body fat to start with 4 8.89%
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Old 15th July 2017, 02:33 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
It's been 4 days, and unbelievably, no-one has started a "Where does the bloody fart go when I let it loose?" thread yet. Honestly, this place is going to the dogs.
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Old 16th July 2017, 03:36 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Are you telling us no ever loses fat??
No.
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Old 16th July 2017, 01:30 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
( Sincere inquiry ..)What is the nature of the mass that lost in chemical reactions? What particles or fractions thereof?
Ziggurat already explained this at least as well as I could - yes, there is mass associated with the energy of the electric fields that holds together molecules. When that field energy is lost as heat during a chemical reaction, the sum of the field energies of the products is lower than that of the educts, and thus the associated total mass of the products is (very slightly) lower.

Where does it go?
Heat - I mean increased temperature of some amount of material - is nothing but molecules and atoms moving somewhat faster on average than before.
Now remember what you learned about the Special Theory of Relativity: When a body gets faster, its mass increases "relativistically", according to certain formulas Einstein stole from that other bloke. Very close to the speed of light, that mass increase becomes very pronounces, but in general, whenever you heat some material, its mass increases because of that relativistic effect that makes faster molecules a tiny bit heavier.

No particles are added or lost.
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Old 17th July 2017, 06:39 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
I saw a cool presentation the other day, which started with a seemingly simple question, but posed to many random people, it turns few have an idea - and many have wrong hunches.

So I decided to test this forum:

When you lose 10 pounds of body fat, where do they go?
(This is talking about the usual way of losing weight, through exercise and eating less)

Now I don't want you to blurt out out the answer!!

Just indicate for now if you think you know the answer, or can guess it, or don't know. I would like to get just poll answers for, say, two days, before we actually answer the question! Note: I allow names of voters to be displayed!

No spoilers, please!
Without reading any of the other responses, I'm going to say that some of it is excreted as water in the urine, but a lot of it is actually excreted as carbon dioxide when you exhale.
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Old 17th July 2017, 10:57 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote View Post
Without reading any of the other responses, I'm going to say that some of it is excreted as water in the urine, but a lot of it is actually excreted as carbon dioxide when you exhale.
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Old 17th July 2017, 11:11 AM   #86
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Can I safely market 4 7 8 breathing as a weight loss course then?
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Old 17th July 2017, 11:33 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by Belgian thought View Post
Can I safely market 4 7 8 breathing as a weight loss course then?
Well, you can probably successfully market it as a weight loss course.
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Old 17th July 2017, 02:05 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Well, you can probably successfully market it as a weight loss course.
What if I add the caveat to eat less? - Job done
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Old 17th July 2017, 03:48 PM   #89
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Originally Posted by Belgian thought View Post
Can I safely market 4 7 8 breathing as a weight loss course then?
I still prefer the cold-beer-and-icecream diet.

The principle:
A calory is defined as the amount of energy needed to heat 1 g of water by 1 C.
A bottle of cold beer contains 500 g of beer (or whatever size you prefer) at, say, 6 C. When you drink it, your stomach and intestines warm it up to body temperature 36 C - that's +30 C.
It follows that you need to expend 500 * 30 = 15000 calories when you drink half a litre of cold beer.
There are 205 calories in 0.5 L of beer.
15000 - 205 = 14795 calories net loss!

Same principle applies to icecream.
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Old 17th July 2017, 04:07 PM   #90
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
I still prefer the cold-beer-and-icecream diet.

The principle:
A calory is defined as the amount of energy needed to heat 1 g of water by 1 C.
A bottle of cold beer contains 500 g of beer (or whatever size you prefer) at, say, 6 C. When you drink it, your stomach and intestines warm it up to body temperature 36 C - that's +30 C.
It follows that you need to expend 500 * 30 = 15000 calories when you drink half a litre of cold beer.
There are 205 calories in 0.5 L of beer.
15000 - 205 = 14795 calories net loss!

Same principle applies to icecream.
We are in business

1) 4 7 8 breathing - couple of hours a day
2) Eat less - couple of times a week
3) Drink beer (or eat Ice Cream) couple of times a day

Occasionally go full Atkins (food wise not the jogging ) one day a week.
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Old 17th July 2017, 06:25 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
I still prefer the cold-beer-and-icecream diet.

The principle:
A calory is defined as the amount of energy needed to heat 1 g of water by 1 C.
A bottle of cold beer contains 500 g of beer (or whatever size you prefer) at, say, 6 C. When you drink it, your stomach and intestines warm it up to body temperature 36 C - that's +30 C.
It follows that you need to expend 500 * 30 = 15000 calories when you drink half a litre of cold beer.
There are 205 calories in 0.5 L of beer.
15000 - 205 = 14795 calories net loss!

Same principle applies to icecream.
I like the way you think, except "food calories" are actually kilocalories so you're off by a factor of 1000. Oops.

15,000 - 20500 = -5500 straight to your waistline.
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Old 17th July 2017, 06:29 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I like the way you think, except "food calories" are actually kilocalories so you're off by a factor of 1000. Oops.

15,000 - 20500 = -5500 straight to your waistline.
Sure, but you don't tell people that.
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Old 18th July 2017, 12:03 AM   #93
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I like the way you think, except "food calories" are actually kilocalories so you're off by a factor of 1000. Oops.

15,000 - 20500 = -5500 straight to your waistline.
You are still off by a factor of 10. Should be 15,000 - 205,000.
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Old 18th July 2017, 04:36 AM   #94
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What if I add the caveat to eat less? - Job done
Good luck marketing that!

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Good luck marketing that!

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Or you can eat low fat substitutes:

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Good luck marketing that!

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Simple, charge the 4 7 8 breathing punters so much, they can't afford to buy food.

I am putting the 4Ps (now 7) of marketing to maximum drive.
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Good luck marketing that!

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SOOOOO true!

And I find the exact same difficulty explaining how to reduce atmospheric greenhouse gasses and reverse global warming!

To lose weight we eat less and move more.

To reverse AGW we reduce CO2 emissions and sequester more carbon in the soil.

Both the simplicity of the solution, and the resistance to actually taking action, are astonishingly similar.
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SOOOOO true!

And I find the exact same difficulty explaining how to reduce atmospheric greenhouse gasses and reverse global warming!

To lose weight we eat less and move more.

To reverse AGW we reduce CO2 emissions and sequester more carbon in the soil.

Both the simplicity of the solution, and the resistance to actually taking action, are astonishingly similar.
Paradoxically, the whole human population of the planet losing weight would initially lead to an increase in CO2 production.
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Paradoxically, the whole human population of the planet losing weight would initially lead to an increase in CO2 production.
I suppose you are right. Insignificantly small but you are correct...sort of!
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Originally Posted by Red Baron Farms View Post
I suppose you are right. Insignificantly small but you are correct...sort of!
Only trying to sadly find humour in an increasingly depressing future...

I am with you on all you said, perhaps to an extreme.

Gave up a car 20 years ago, use public transport whenever I cannot walk etc. regardless of having a hip replacement.

And this film, as I mentioned in the past and I still tell anyone who is willing to listen - "Koyaanisqatsi," which was rightly selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry, should be made compulsory viewing to all children at secondary school.

ETA: And adults too
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You are still off by a factor of 10. Should be 15,000 - 205,000.
Crappe! Which isn't where the calories I'm currently consuming will go. Some I will exhale. The rest will make my pants tighter.
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Simple, charge the 4 7 8 breathing punters so much, they can't afford to buy food.
I think I've seen a similar tactic before, but it wasn't unaffordable, exactly...

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Crappe! Which isn't where the calories I'm currently consuming will go. Some I will exhale. The rest will make my pants tighter.
Face it - you are fat .
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Face it - you are fat .
Happily, not as far as I was two years ago.
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I like the way you think, except "food calories" are actually kilocalories so you're off by a factor of 1000. Oops.
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