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Old 11th February 2018, 04:21 AM   #3761
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At this point, I find it hard to believe that anyone can claim to trust Mills in good faith. How naive are you allowed to be and still be taken seriously?
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Old 11th February 2018, 10:17 AM   #3762
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Originally Posted by hgus View Post
At this point, I find it hard to believe that anyone can claim to trust Mills in good faith. How naive are you allowed to be and still be taken seriously?
Were are out to sometime in 2019, 2020, 2022 , 2024, whatever. Thirty years of all promise and no delivery. This time is apparently for real because WTF?
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Old 11th February 2018, 10:23 AM   #3763
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Originally Posted by The Norseman View Post
Yeah, markie gave himself an out by parenthetically remarking "to my satisfaction" so it's child's play to come up with some lame rationalization in another year as to why he won't be held to any perceived changes.
Of course especially as I don't believe he is not just an observer in this situation.
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Old 11th February 2018, 10:25 AM   #3764
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At this point, I find it hard to believe that anyone can claim to trust Mills in good faith. How naive are you allowed to be and still be taken seriously?
Just take out your trust Hydrino coin and read the motto

Trust in Mills
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Old 11th February 2018, 10:50 AM   #3765
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Originally Posted by hgus View Post
At this point, I find it hard to believe that anyone can claim to trust Mills in good faith. How naive are you allowed to be and still be taken seriously?
Although it amazes me too, I think that most people have trouble accepting that they have already been played for a fool, so many "double down" rather than accept the truth that they have been royally taken.

Also remember that there is a pre-selection: those who believed Mills initially are much more likely than average to be very naive and trusting, so the fact they stick with him now is just a continuation of that same mindset. I understand that con artists read news articles to identify people who have already been conned by someone else; rather than having learned their lesson these folks turn out to continue to be extra-easy marks for new con jobs.
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Old 11th February 2018, 11:44 AM   #3766
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Also there can be ulterior motives, not the nefarious kind as that seems to be the primary motive for Mills. For example one supporter here seemed to have a greater fixation with big power for another it seemed more ecological concerns were the driving factor. So that pre-selection can also include those more inclined to believe things simply because they comport with their own desires and goals, again not always of a nefarious nature.
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Old 11th February 2018, 06:26 PM   #3767
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Although it amazes me too, I think that most people have trouble accepting that they have already been played for a fool, so many "double down" rather than accept the truth that they have been royally taken.

Also remember that there is a pre-selection: those who believed Mills initially are much more likely than average to be very naive and trusting, so the fact they stick with him now is just a continuation of that same mindset. I understand that con artists read news articles to identify people who have already been conned by someone else; rather than having learned their lesson these folks turn out to continue to be extra-easy marks for new con jobs.
I have a friends father who 'bought an emerald' or part share thereof back in 2008, He finally (!!!) accepted he had been scammed in 2015, he was insistent that despite all evidence to the contrary, 'his' emerald was the real deal, even though it was a common internet scam at the time.

Now he's dealing with some 'nigerian government offical' to try and recover his money- all they ask (so far) is a fee of US$400... then a few months later there was another fee to be paid to the UN... hes about $1500 into them so far...

Unfortunately he is just basically completely gullible, and thats that...

Worse his family cant do a damn thing about it, its his money and if he wants to give it to scammers, they cant legally stop him
(so far its lost him his house and most of his retirement savings, he is going to be spending the rest of hs life on the pension, which wont be fun for him)
plus his missus left him years ago

So this con has cost him a lot
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Old 12th February 2018, 06:50 AM   #3768
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Mills reports that despite delays things are getting better all the time:

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Invention cycle went through another turn. The new design is awesome. Worth the short delay. New patents filed. Better product, easier to manufacture, install, and service, shortened field trial phase, and likely more revenue in the long run.

And also states that the stuff in the bottle can only be hydrinos:

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The data shows that the compound can only comprise hydrino. There is nothing else that matches the data. Moreover, the known products from 99.999% pure reactants are very limited and easily identifiable. Guess want? It is not a known product!!!

I wonder how this will all be spun months from now when no further progress has been made and no compounds are released for analysis.
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Old 12th February 2018, 09:37 AM   #3769
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Originally Posted by Hans View Post
Of course especially as I don't believe he is not just an observer in this situation.
Kind of a case of "too good to be true" as in "I just happen to say everything so carefully so as to keep interest, deflect criticism, deny connections, and so on just like a paid consultant but I'm just An Ordinary Fella™ Who Innocently Says The Right ThingⓇ."



Originally Posted by The Man View Post
Also there can be ulterior motives, not the nefarious kind as that seems to be the primary motive for Mills. For example one supporter here seemed to have a greater fixation with big power for another it seemed more ecological concerns were the driving factor. So that pre-selection can also include those more inclined to believe things simply because they comport with their own desires and goals, again not always of a nefarious nature.
This was me about fifteen-ish years ago. I was be-bopping around the internet and stumbled across several of these zero-point energy scammers but I initially believed it because I wanted to believe in some way to invent literal revolutionary power.

I was in it for a few years before finally realizing it was all junk science. I was too poor to invest, but even if I had had the money to invest with, I wasn't into investing in general, so I'm pretty certain I wouldn't have lost money doing it and these days, I'm very much aware of the Sunk Costs Fallacy, so I'm more likely to abandon something when logic dictates rather than that vague feeling of "but... I can't WASTE MONEY! I therefore MUST give MORE!" and keep the cycle and scam going.
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Old 12th February 2018, 10:54 AM   #3770
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Originally Posted by jrhowell View Post
I wonder how this will all be spun months from now when no further progress has been made and no compounds are released for analysis.

It's right there in his quote: "New patents filed."

So, any call to produce an actual working device will be deflected with the excuse that "The patents are still pending, and we don't want to jeopardize our valuable patent rights by a premature public display!", despite the fact that that's not how the patent system actually works. We've seen this before, after all.

Since patent pendency times, particularly for ******** devices like his, are often measured in years, this gives him an excuse he can use well into the 2020s.
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Old 12th February 2018, 10:59 AM   #3771
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Originally Posted by jrhowell
Mills reports that despite delays things are getting better all the time:

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Invention cycle went through another turn. The new design is awesome. Worth the short delay. New patents filed. Better product, easier to manufacture, install, and service, shortened field trial phase, and likely more revenue in the long run.
And also states that the stuff in the bottle can only be hydrinos:

Quote:
The data shows that the compound can only comprise hydrino. There is nothing else that matches the data. Moreover, the known products from 99.999% pure reactants are very limited and easily identifiable. Guess want? It is not a known product!!!
I wonder how this will all be spun months from now when no further progress has been made and no compounds are released for analysis.
It looks like he has no alternative than doubling the bet. He made such specific career of claiming strange physical stuff that he has no other option but replacing a bouncing check with 10 checks more from the exact same source.
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Old 12th February 2018, 01:52 PM   #3772
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
It looks like he has no alternative than doubling the bet.
I suspect that when people ask a few months from now, "What ever happened with those bottled hydrinos?", Mills will say that they have been put aside because they have found a way to produce canned hydrinos with double the (infinite) shelf life.

They will be ready to be sent out to independent labs for analysis as soon as Mills perfects a new type of pop-top mechanism for them!
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Old 12th February 2018, 02:02 PM   #3773
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
It's right there in his quote: "New patents filed."

So, any call to produce an actual working device will be deflected with the excuse that "The patents are still pending, and we don't want to jeopardize our valuable patent rights by a premature public display!", despite the fact that that's not how the patent system actually works. We've seen this before, after all.

Since patent pendency times, particularly for ******** devices like his, are often measured in years, this gives him an excuse he can use well into the 2020s.

Mills doesn't wait for patents to be granted. He waits on revealing certain developments until after the patents are filed, not granted. And he gets them off remarkably quickly. Mills is the man, and you guys are too incredulous to see clearly. Remember that your faux objectivity and fawning after the status quo - at the expense of denigrating the character of a gifted and industrious man - will be recorded for posterity. Just saying. Play on.
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Old 12th February 2018, 02:14 PM   #3774
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
Mills doesn't wait for patents to be granted. He waits on revealing certain developments until after the patents are filed, not granted. And he gets them off remarkably quickly. Mills is the man, and you guys are too incredulous to see clearly. Remember that your faux objectivity and fawning after the status quo - at the expense of denigrating the character of a gifted and industrious man - will be recorded for posterity. Just saying. Play on.


And you know Mills is the bees knees because he says so!

I know a guy who claims to be God's wife and the divine mother to all of humanity, including Jesus. Given the lack of results Mills has presented for the last 30 years, I'd say that guy's claims to divinity are about as reality grounded as pretty much everything Mills says.
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Old 12th February 2018, 03:10 PM   #3775
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Mills is the man, and you guys are too incredulous to see clearly.


... [there is no number of large laughing dogs enough to illustrate the loud guffaw caused by reading that ... we're now in ridiculousland]
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Old 12th February 2018, 03:16 PM   #3776
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post


... [there is no number of large laughing dogs enough to illustrate the loud guffaw caused by reading that ... we're now in ridiculousland]
It's true. Only the LD will do, here.

If Mills were the man, it would completely change everything as we know it, which we'd actually all welcome.

It's because of the mean and lazy skeptics that we can't have nice things like what Mills is trying to do.
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Old 12th February 2018, 03:47 PM   #3777
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Old 12th February 2018, 04:49 PM   #3778
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At least Mills has the self-awareness to call it an "invention cycle", because his MO certainly is cyclical in nature.
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Old 12th February 2018, 05:23 PM   #3779
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
Mills doesn't wait for patents to be granted. He waits on revealing certain developments until after the patents are filed, not granted. And he gets them off remarkably quickly. Mills is the man, and you guys are too incredulous to see clearly. Remember that your faux objectivity and fawning after the status quo - at the expense of denigrating the character of a gifted and industrious man - will be recorded for posterity. Just saying. Play on.
HAHAHAHAHAHA - 30 years of continual scamming and you still keep trying to make him into a hero......tsk tsk tsk.

We'll be hear counting off the years as he fails and scams over and over again. Just sayin'

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Old 12th February 2018, 06:03 PM   #3780
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Mills doesn't wait for patents to be granted. ....
Correct for once. Mills doesn't wait for patents to be granted - before starting yet another round of his 30 year old scam or delusion .

Followed by inane insults. This is the International Skeptic forum. A basic part of skepticism is demanding evidence to back up claims. For "extraordinary" (a bit subjective) claims we ask for extraordinary evidence. Violating textbook physics and centuries of observations is extraordinary by anyone's criteria.

On the other hand we have blind belief in Mills that has lead to lies, etc. about his work..
Many items of ignorance, delusions and lies in Mills book and a paper

4 July 2017 markie: Did you recognize the many ignorant fantasies in that May 2017 PDF?
3 August 2017 markie: Since you still have not, I will just link to a list of 11 of them from 4 July 2017.
25 July 2017 markie: The "same" spectra + the continuum spectra are another different example of Mills incompetence, delusion or lying
3 July 2017 markie: Evidence for Dr. Jonathan Phillips independence, papers and experiments.
3 July 2017 markie: Cite Mills prediction of "dihydrino of H2(1/4) internuclear distance" and the detection of this in dihydrino of H2(1/4).
6 June 2017 markie: Cite Mills derivation of masses of fundamental particles
6 June 2017 markie: A lie about hydrino states and their signatures being confirmed by experiment.
6 June 2017 markie: Repeats a Mills delusion of "hyperbolic free electron, which will have anti gravity properties"
12 April 2017 markie: How do beta decay electrons get thru multiple "orbitspheres"? (and other questions and items of ignorance).
12 April 2017 markie: A 2012 paper showing a Mills lie about spectra and conventional explanations for them (no hydrinos need apply!)
22 September 2017 markie: A fantasy or lie about "no exothermic reaction possible".
22 September 2017 markie: A "only melt the shot" fantasy.
22 September 2017 markie: A lie about a "paper" when you have cited a PDF on his company web site, not scientific literature.
22 September 2017 markie: A possible lie about the PDF having one setup of "a mixture of H20, silver, hydrogen and argon" because you do not cite it.
9 October 2017 markie: A lie that Rowan labs were able to "make their own hydrino and characterize it".
10 October 2017 markie: An ignorant assertion that QM predicts many different sizes for ground state hydrogen.
11 October 2017 markie: A rather stupid Mills delusion that an electronic energy level transition emits multiple photons.
11 October 2017 markie: Parrots Mills' delusions about a "so - called weak force".
13 October 2017 markie: A lie that Mills has isolated hydrinos at all including as a "free gas" after reading that Mills admitted he did not!
13 October 2017 markie: A fantasy that Mills' patents, etc. means that he fulfilled his promises to the ASC.
13 October 2017 markie: Ignorance about patents which can contain absurd claims.
17 October 2017 markie: Parrots Mills delusions that there are hydrinos with magical states.
17 October 2017 markie: A repeated ignorant delusion (from Mills?) that an electron transition produces continuum radiation.
17 October 2017 markie: A lie that Rowan University has been making their own hydrinos, etc. since 2009.
17 October 2017 markie: A lie that NRM spectra of hydrino compounds or formation have ever been detected at Rowan.
17 October 2017 markie: An ignorant assertion that electrons in atoms can accelerate!
17 October 2017 markie: Implies that that H2 molecules do not exist!
18 October 2017 markie: Parrots a Chapter 2.1 title lie from Mills' ignorant, deluded and lying book.
19 October 2017 markie: Lies about Mills book which has documented ignorance, delusions and lies (has known about fundamental flaws since February 2017)
19 October 2017 markie: The fallacy of imagined "absurdities" of QM supporting an ignorant and deluded theory
19 October 2017 markie: Abysmal ignorance of Mills theory that includes infinite charge density and infinite mass density!
19 October 2017 markie: The delusion of working science being dogma ("QM indoctrination") that cranks and their ignorant followers spout.
19 October 2017 markie: A "GUTCP far outclasses QM in its predictive ability" lie.

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Old 12th February 2018, 06:54 PM   #3781
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
Mills doesn't wait for patents to be granted. He waits on revealing certain developments until after the patents are filed, not granted. And he gets them off remarkably quickly. Mills is the man, and you guys are too incredulous to see clearly. Remember that your faux objectivity and fawning after the status quo - at the expense of denigrating the character of a gifted and industrious man - will be recorded for posterity. Just saying. Play on.
Of course he doesn't. He knows that his bogus patents will be revoked. Again.

As a patent holder, I know that Mills is talking utter bollocks.
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
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And you know Mills is the bees knees because he says so!

I know a guy who claims to be God's wife and the divine mother to all of humanity, including Jesus. Given the lack of results Mills has presented for the last 30 years, I'd say that guy's claims to divinity are about as reality grounded as pretty much everything Mills says.
Hahahaha.

Yep.
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Mills must be changing the design again. He has to do this every few years to justify never completing a device for commercial sale.
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
Mills doesn't wait for patents to be granted. He waits on revealing certain developments until after the patents are filed, not granted. And he gets them off remarkably quickly. Mills is the man, and you guys are too incredulous to see clearly. Remember that your faux objectivity and fawning after the status quo - at the expense of denigrating the character of a gifted and industrious man - will be recorded for posterity. Just saying. Play on.
Oh Markie, I have to say, unlike Mills, you never fail to deliver.

And that earns you, the laughing dog pyramid!

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Oh Markie, I have to say, unlike Mills, you never fail to deliver.

And that earns you, the laughing dog pyramid!

.............................

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We can call that the laughing stack.
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Markie, I'm glad you are still here. We do try to dream up what the next level of excuses will be, but there is nothing like having a Believer (or shill? still not sure) here to tell us.
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Originally Posted by markie View Post
Mills doesn't wait for patents to be granted. He waits on revealing certain developments until after the patents are filed, not granted. And he gets them off remarkably quickly. Mills is the man, and you guys are too incredulous to see clearly. Remember that your faux objectivity and fawning after the status quo - at the expense of denigrating the character of a gifted and industrious man - will be recorded for posterity. Just saying. Play on.
Maybe I'm seeing something that's not there, but this post doesn't read like the typical markie post. It's too ... um, flowery? And too obsequious. And the ending is not right either.

You OK markie? Having deliriums? Somebody hack your account? Letting your (grand)son play on the computer unsupervised?
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Remember that your faux objectivity and fawning after the status quo - at the expense of denigrating the character of a gifted and industrious man - will be recorded for posterity. Just saying. Play on.
It's your gullibility that is being recorded for posterity.
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Old 14th February 2018, 06:42 AM   #3790
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
Maybe I'm seeing something that's not there, but this post doesn't read like the typical markie post. It's too ... um, flowery? And too obsequious. And the ending is not right either.

You OK markie? Having deliriums? Somebody hack your account? Letting your (grand)son play on the computer unsupervised?
If it's a shill account it's probably been handed over to a new intern.
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
If it's a shill account it's probably been handed over to a new intern.
You'd have to pick your intern carefully - some of them are well known for not swallowing everything.
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