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Old 11th July 2016, 05:09 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by FalseFlag View Post
Let's start the process, and begin the debate on how to answer those questions.
You start. You are the one that want's the new investigation.
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Old 11th July 2016, 05:10 PM   #362
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
Debate about the truth of something, or about past events, has no possible effect on the actual truth or events.
What?

Are you really saying that if someone lies about a past event we should not make an attempt to expose it?

Are you saying we should no longer have murder trials, because the trial will have no possible effect on bringing the deceased back to life?
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Old 11th July 2016, 05:11 PM   #363
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You start. You are the one that want's the new investigation.
I have started. You go next. Sign the AE911T petition. It's your turn.
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Old 11th July 2016, 05:15 PM   #364
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Originally Posted by FalseFlag View Post
I have started. You go next. Sign the AE911T petition. It's your turn.
They have not started anything. If you think they have please quote the documents where they have petitioned a district attorney or prosecutor.
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Old 11th July 2016, 05:20 PM   #365
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They have not started anything. If you think they have please quote the documents where they have petitioned a district attorney or prosecutor.
Where did I claim they started a new investigation?

I said I started, meaning that I signed the petition. It's your turn to sign. Go ahead. It won't hurt.
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Old 11th July 2016, 05:26 PM   #366
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Originally Posted by FalseFlag View Post
Where did I claim they started a new investigation?

I said I started, meaning that I signed the petition. It's your turn to sign. Go ahead. It won't hurt.
So you are not willing to do anything other then signing an online petition that has been shown to do nothing?

You didn't actually answer the question. You look like a fool.
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Old 11th July 2016, 05:30 PM   #367
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So you are not willing to do anything other then signing an online petition that has been shown to do nothing?
I am doing lots to help.

If you looked, you might see that.

In fact, you might not have to look very far.

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You didn't actually answer the question.
What question?

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You look like a fool.
Then I blend in perfectly.
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Old 11th July 2016, 05:34 PM   #368
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Originally Posted by FalseFlag View Post

What question?

The question that everyone reading sees you ignoring.You know, justifying the need for a new investigation and defining it.
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Let's start the process, and begin the debate on how to answer those questions.
The process is done. What happened on 9-11 was known on 9-11.
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The process is done. What happened on 9-11 was known on 9-11.
True. I'm sure Cheney knew everything on 9/11. In fact, I'm pretty sure he knew well before then, too.
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Old 11th July 2016, 06:20 PM   #371
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True. I'm sure Cheney knew everything on 9/11. In fact, I'm pretty sure he knew well before then, too.
Source?

And just so we're clear, I knew what happened on 9-11, on 9-11.
What's taking YOU so long?

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You're right, and engineers are very conscious of this fact when they design buildings.
Which is why they stood for so long.
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Old 11th July 2016, 07:05 PM   #373
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Originally Posted by FalseFlag View Post
Let's start the process, and begin the debate on how to answer those questions.
You're about 10 years too late, when 9/11 truth was in the limelight and had their chance.

It was a spectacularly, laughable, epic failure on a galactic scale.

When exposed as clueless on the issues, the smart truthers faded away or took up other causes; Richard Gage currently keeps a list of the dumb ones.

Why, again, should we care what a collection of chumps who willfully provide an income to a shameless con artist has to say?
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We'll never know until the con artist gets his new investigation!
Derp.
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Old 11th July 2016, 08:45 PM   #375
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True. I'm sure Cheney knew everything on 9/11. In fact, I'm pretty sure he knew well before then, too.
lol - this is classic 9/11 truth. Anti-government with McVeigh/Boston-bomber like logic.
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Old 12th July 2016, 04:03 AM   #376
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
You had a similar tone. Apologies
Thanks.
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lol - this is classic 9/11 truth. Anti-government with McVeigh/Boston-bomber like logic.
Apparently it took Cheney less than a year to get thousands of people to go with his dastardly plans.
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Originally Posted by FalseFlag View Post
True. I'm sure Cheney knew everything on 9/11. In fact, I'm pretty sure he knew well before then, too.

A number of countries around the world, including Afghanistan, had warned the United States that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack the United States. In other words, they were pointing their fingers at Osama bin Laden, not Dick Cheney nor George Bush, Jr.

Afterward, Osama bin Laden admitted that he was responsible for 9/11 and al-Qaeda revealed its videos of the 9/11 hijackers.
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New posts in the debate, unfortunately rerun of old arguments we have heard before nothing new.
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Where did I claim they started a new investigation?

I said I started, meaning that I signed the petition. It's your turn to sign. Go ahead. It won't hurt.
Signing the petition expresses the desire for a new investigation.

Without that desire one doesnt sign.
Simple huh?

Moving beyond that, what has AE911T done towards that goal?
Little to nothing at all!

Feel duped yet? If not then perhaps a few more years of inaction and you will come to notice it.
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Old 17th July 2016, 03:23 PM   #381
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Is anyone amused by Tony starting out his latest post with
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Although ground rule #7 was worded and insisted on by you,

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7. Each post will discuss one principle topic. Each topic consists of 4 posts. Person A will state a topic post, Person B replies, Person A counters, then Person B counters, and that topic is closed. Person B then leads off the next sequence.
it is apparent that you felt the need to disregard it concerning the discussion on whether there was evidence of explosive use in the building collapses.
given that Tony started out his topic post with
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Now that it has been shown that although many firefighters talked of explosions, and they can be observed in video and in seismographic evidence from LDEO, there was never any real investigations for explosive use conducted, and all those saying there were none can point to is their own personal search through Internet photo sets of unknown completeness for demolition devices, it is time to move to things with some level of official involvement with reports that can actually be critiqued. This obviously brings us to the NIST reports on the building collapses. The first one I would like to discuss is that for WTC 7.

I suppose he thinks that had he started out with
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Now that it has been shown that the sky is green, the earth is flat, and we never made it to the moonit is time to move to things with some level of official involvement with reports that can actually be critiqued.
those assertions should have been left unaddressed.

Or has everyone stopped paying attention?
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Old 17th July 2016, 03:48 PM   #382
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Originally Posted by Bitca View Post

Or has everyone stopped paying attention?
I'm waiting for one of them to start a debate...............

I'm not holding my breath............
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Originally Posted by Bitca View Post
Is anyone amused by Tony starting out his latest post with

given that Tony started out his topic post with



I suppose he thinks that had he started out with

those assertions should have been left unaddressed.

Or has everyone stopped paying attention?
Yes, you could say I violated the rule, although I was just trying to end that topic discussion. You could also say tfk had a right to come back on it although I only spent 3/4 of a paragraph and he spent half his post.

I am going to propose a rule clarification to tfk which will still limit the discussion to four posts but with the understanding that it can be brought up again as a topic.

I will send him a PM on the 911 free forum with this post copied on it.

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Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
Yes, you could say I violated the rule, although I was just trying to end that topic discussion. You could also say tfk had a right to come back on it although I only spent 3/4 of a paragraph and he spent half his post.

I am going to propose a rule clarification to tfk which will still limit the discussion to four posts but with the understanding that it can be brought up again as a topic.

I will send him a PM on the 911 free forum with this post copied on it.
Why not skip all these rules and actually support the hypothesis you support? Better still, actually present a coherent hypothesis.
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Why not skip all these rules and actually support the hypothesis you support? Better still, actually present a coherent hypothesis.
Some folks are too important to worry about having a coherent argument.
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Some folks are too important to worry about having a coherent argument.
Conspiracy theories never have a coherent Argument, and never will because they are Fallacies.
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Why not skip all these rules and actually support the hypothesis you support? Better still, actually present a coherent hypothesis.
Anything as long as it stops including a debate about the rules of the debate.
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Anything as long as it stops including a debate about the rules of the debate.
Can we have a debate about the rules on the rule of the rules that rule the debate that might be more interesting than either fallacy being discussed in the debate.
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Can we have a debate about the rules on the rule of the rules that rule the debate that might be more interesting than either fallacy being discussed in the debate.
http://the911forum.freeforums.org/rules-t764.html
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Why not skip all these rules and actually support the hypothesis you support? Better still, actually present a coherent hypothesis.
Seconded.
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Thank you for the insights. I think that your debate with Tony is useful and shows ae911truth's top engineer debating with another engineer. it will be a useful record to refer to. Pls keep going !
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Thank you for the insights. I think that your debate with Tony is useful and shows ae911truth's top engineer debating with another engineer. it will be a useful record to refer to. Pls keep going !
Tony opened up the ConEd claim and the statements by Arup and Colin Bailley. So why don't you ask Tony:
- does he accept that column 79 failed several seconds in advance of the perimeter wall
- how does he explain the load redistribution after column 79 failed.
- does he think that beams without proper top flange protection can fail in a normal fire.
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Tony is now calling rule #5 into play.............tfk could possibly lose his turn....

I'm on the edge of my seat with this turn of events.......
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Where are you, tfk? You're missing out on an opportunity to commit more fraud. What's your problem? Do you lack the competence to play with the big boys? The answer is "yes", but will you finally admit it?

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Where are you, tfk? You're missing out on an opportunity to commit more fraud. What's your problem? Do you lack the competence to play with the big boys? The answer is "yes", but will you finally admit it?

Perhaps, should focus your message to Tony considering there's no evidence of thermite or explosives.
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Perhaps, should focus your message to Tony considering there's no evidence of thermite or explosives.
Why don't you take tfk's place?
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Why don't you take tfk's place?

It would be no contest because the first thing I would demand from Tony is for him to post his evidence of CD explosives.

I already know as a fact that no explosives were used to demolish the WTC buildings.
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It would be no contest because the first thing I would demand from Tony is for him to post his evidence of CD explosives.

I already know as a fact that no explosives were used to demolish the WTC buildings.
I think your definition of "fact" might not be factual.
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I think your definition of "fact" might not be factual.
It's all very clear. No CD explosive evidence. Accept reality for what it is.
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
It's all very clear. No CD explosive evidence. Accept reality for what it is.
You can believe whatever you want.
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