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llwyd · 15th June 2022, 08:38 PM

I quite believed in Erich von Däniken's "theories" when I was around 11-13 years old.

catsmate · 16th June 2022, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Spektator

Sounds like Harry Turtledove's Southern Victory series.

Though with the alliances reversed.

Spektator · 20th June 2022, 06:12 AM

I believed the Doolittle raid on Tokyo was a huge success. Since then I have learned that most of the bombs fell off-target, they hit a school thinking it was a factory, and 14 of the 16 B-25 bombers ditched or crashed. The bits that worked: A blow to Japanese morale, A propaganda boost for the USA, and expertise in carrier-based bombers gained.

theprestige · 20th June 2022, 06:44 AM

That sounds like a huge success to me.

Jack by the hedge · 20th June 2022, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

That sounds like a huge success to me.

It's the huge number of Chinese people killed in the resulting operations to try to capture the air crews that takes the shine off it for me.

Pacal · 20th June 2022, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by llwyd

I quite believed in Erich von Däniken's "theories" when I was around 11-13 years old.

So did I. I then learned some basic Archaeology and realized I had been duped.

ahhell · 20th June 2022, 08:53 AM

I almost bought into holy blood holy grail in the late 90s.

Captain_Swoop · 20th June 2022, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Spektator

I believed the Doolittle raid on Tokyo was a huge success. Since then I have learned that most of the bombs fell off-target, they hit a school thinking it was a factory, and 14 of the 16 B-25 bombers ditched or crashed. The bits that worked: A blow to Japanese morale, A propaganda boost for the USA, and expertise in carrier-based bombers gained.

That was it's entire purpose, in that respect it was a complete success.

Dave Rogers · 21st June 2022, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

That was it's entire purpose, in that respect it was a complete success.

I'm not sure that's true. I believe part of the plan was for the aircraft involved to land in China to form the nucleus of a US bomber group based there, but because of the, sighting of the task force they launched out of range of the destination and were mostly forced to crash-land or ditch.

Dave

dudalb · 22nd June 2022, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Spektator

I believed the Doolittle raid on Tokyo was a huge success. Since then I have learned that most of the bombs fell off-target, they hit a school thinking it was a factory, and 14 of the 16 B-25 bombers ditched or crashed. The bits that worked: A blow to Japanese morale, A propaganda boost for the USA, and expertise in carrier-based bombers gained.

Actually, the US Military knew well that they would do little or no damage to Japanese facilities even if the bombs were on target.
But giving a boost to Public Morale, which was very low in April of 1942, was the main reason behind the raid. In that regard i was a big sucess.
It also caused Japan to recall some units from their island bases to protect the Homeland, and swung opinion around to approve Yamamoto's Midway operation as necessary to protect the Japanese mainland.

16th June 2022, 12:32 AM	#282
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20th June 2022, 06:44 AM	#284
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21st June 2022, 01:14 AM	#289
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 33,343	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop That was it's entire purpose, in that respect it was a complete success. I'm not sure that's true. I believe part of the plan was for the aircraft involved to land in China to form the nucleus of a US bomber group based there, but because of the, sighting of the task force they launched out of range of the destination and were mostly forced to crash-land or ditch. Dave
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22nd June 2022, 02:12 PM	#290
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 55,538	Originally Posted by Spektator I believed the Doolittle raid on Tokyo was a huge success. Since then I have learned that most of the bombs fell off-target, they hit a school thinking it was a factory, and 14 of the 16 B-25 bombers ditched or crashed. The bits that worked: A blow to Japanese morale, A propaganda boost for the USA, and expertise in carrier-based bombers gained. Actually, the US Military knew well that they would do little or no damage to Japanese facilities even if the bombs were on target. But giving a boost to Public Morale, which was very low in April of 1942, was the main reason behind the raid. In that regard i was a big sucess. It also caused Japan to recall some units from their island bases to protect the Homeland, and swung opinion around to approve Yamamoto's Midway operation as necessary to protect the Japanese mainland.
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15th June 2022, 08:38 PM	#281
llwyd Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Helsinki Posts: 1,107	I quite believed in Erich von Däniken's "theories" when I was around 11-13 years old.

20th June 2022, 06:12 AM	#283
Spektator Watching . . . always watching. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 2,053	I believed the Doolittle raid on Tokyo was a huge success. Since then I have learned that most of the bombs fell off-target, they hit a school thinking it was a factory, and 14 of the 16 B-25 bombers ditched or crashed. The bits that worked: A blow to Japanese morale, A propaganda boost for the USA, and expertise in carrier-based bombers gained.

20th June 2022, 07:07 AM	#285
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13,373	Originally Posted by theprestige That sounds like a huge success to me. It's the huge number of Chinese people killed in the resulting operations to try to capture the air crews that takes the shine off it for me.

20th June 2022, 07:51 AM	#286
Pacal Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,352	Originally Posted by llwyd I quite believed in Erich von Däniken's "theories" when I was around 11-13 years old. So did I. I then learned some basic Archaeology and realized I had been duped.

20th June 2022, 12:56 PM	#288
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,829	Originally Posted by Spektator I believed the Doolittle raid on Tokyo was a huge success. Since then I have learned that most of the bombs fell off-target, they hit a school thinking it was a factory, and 14 of the 16 B-25 bombers ditched or crashed. The bits that worked: A blow to Japanese morale, A propaganda boost for the USA, and expertise in carrier-based bombers gained. That was it's entire purpose, in that respect it was a complete success.