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Old Today, 08:30 AM   #1201
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
Already reported. No action. Seems the mods know the topic better than the participants.
The mods are volunteers, it's the weekend, give it time.
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Old Today, 08:37 AM   #1202
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Stormy Daniels' lawyer Michael Avenatti has become a 'hero' on the left — and he has an aggressive fan base

http://www.businessinsider.com/storm...ti-fans-2018-5

another story about how Avenatti has made it all about him.

By the way, read some of those comments, I assume they meant an "idiotic" fan base.

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For example, supporters were quick to approve his comment to Business Insider on the controversy.

"So what," Avenatti said when asked about the Tully's lawsuits. "Many companies abandon locations and have landlord tenant disputes."
The response: "Perfect response. Who gives a damn?! They want to try to make him look bad since he’s bringing the heat!"

Sure he defrauded his partners, and 100's of people lost their jobs and he left delinquent tax bills all over the place, but he is bring the "heat."

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Old Today, 08:41 AM   #1203
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Wouldn't it be cool if there was a thread about Michael Avenatti as a person, separate and apart from a thread about the merits of a particular court case.
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Old Today, 08:42 AM   #1204
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Just because idiots on the right are forcing you to think you know who is or who isn't a "hero" in the eyes of the left doesn't mean you're right.

He's just a guy doing his job. You know how we all know it's working?

Because you're going crazy attacking him. How many keyboards have you gone through during this thread?
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Old Today, 08:43 AM   #1205
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Wouldn't it be cool if there was a thread about Michael Avenatti as a person, separate and apart from a thread about the merits of a particular court case.
I think Conspiracy theories would be the best home for it.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Stormy Daniels' lawyer Michael Avenatti has become a 'hero' on the left — and he has an aggressive fan base

http://www.businessinsider.com/storm...ti-fans-2018-5

another story about how Avenatti has made it all about him.

By the way, read some of those comments, I assume they meant an "idiotic" fan base.



The response: "Perfect response. Who gives a damn?! They want to try to make him look bad since he’s bringing the heat!"

Sure he defrauded his partners, and 100's of people lost their jobs and he left delinquent tax bills all over the place, but he is bring the "heat."

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I guess you and Avenatti have something in common, then. HE wants to (according to you) make this all about Avenatti. You have put a massive effort into doing the same thing.

Just to remind you. The sleazebucket President had an affair with a porn star and rather than letting her tell the world about it paid her to keep quiet. Within a fortnight of the General Election. He had his bag man (Mikey The Fixer) pay her off out of a shell corporation set-up for just that purpose and 'lo and behold, within 18 months, that shell corporation was earning millions in access fees to get to see THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. This last part is what has to be hammered home... he was selling access to the head of the US Government.

But you want to give Avenatti his due because that's not important. How is all of that not important in a thread specifically about all of that. You started the thread. Perhaps the mods aren't willing to separate the Avenatti slander because that's really all there is. In that case, mayhaps they would rename the thread, "Stuff to keep you from thinking about the misdeeds of Aimless, Shameless and Blameless".
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I would like to offer up a possibility.

Could it be that TBD is acting as gadfly WRT Avenatti not so much to focus on him but rather point out that he (and by extension Ms. Daniels) are not being treated with a sufficiently critical/skeptical eye? If the goal of Trump’s adversaries is, let’s face it, to weaken, if not have him removed from power, maybe someone so apparently flawed, representing someone hardly hurt, financially or reputationally, is a perhaps a pretty flimsy way to go about it?

I’m recalling a couple of times in this thread where TBD wrote (paraphrasing from memory*), Stormy is being held up as some kind of heroine - making an agreement and taking the money right before the election rather than speak up...when it might’ve meant something.

If this is more or less true, it might go some ways to explaining TBD’s focus. There’s more than sufficient conversation everywhere regarding the transgressions of the school bully. But if you and your classmates are going to go after him, maybe best to not rally behind someone with baggage of his own, not to mention little in the way of a good strong punch.

*I’m on a phone and can’t at the moment search for specific posts. ETA: But lo and behold in the very next post...
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Recall that people were so very proud that Stormy received the key to the City of West Hollywood because she heroically took 130k instead of speaking up when it might have made a difference.

The guy who gave it to her? Paid 500k in a sexual harassment case earlier in 2016:

http://www.latimes.com/local/westsid...223-story.html
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Wouldn't it be cool if there was a thread about Michael Avenatti as a person, separate and apart from a thread about the merits of a particular court case.
I mostly agree. I think that any aspect of Avenatti that is specific to Avenatti/Stormy v Trump belongs here. (Not Kevin Bacon style "specific".)

Everything else we can do without, especially given the notable volume of the tangential arm-waving.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
The mods are volunteers, it's the weekend, give it time.
Seconded.
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
I mostly agree. I think that any aspect of Avenatti that is specific to Avenatti/Stormy v Trump belongs here. (Not Kevin Bacon style "specific".)

Everything else we can do without, especially given the notable volume of the tangential arm-waving.
What Avenatti is doing, sure. But pages and pages of red herring nonsense about unrelated aspects of Avenatti, no.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Recall that people were so very proud that Stormy received the key to the City of West Hollywood because she heroically took 130k instead of speaking up when it might have made a difference.

The guy who gave it to her? Paid 500k in a sexual harassment case earlier in 2016:

http://www.latimes.com/local/westsid...223-story.html
Not one word about Trump PAYING that $130K.
Not one word about Trump's fixer who paid the $130K.
Not one word about The NDA.
Not one word about whether Trump knew about the NDA.
Not one word about when Trump knew about the NDA.
Not one word about whether Trump had sex with Stormy Daniels.
Not one word about whether Melanie knew Trump had sex with Stormy Daniels.
Not one word about whether Melanie was upset that Trump had sex with Stormy Daniels.
Not one word about whether Karen McDougal knew Trump had sex with Stormy.
Not one word about the going rate Trump pays women to have sex with him.
Not one word about Essential Consultants LLC and the pay for play scheme.
Not one word about whether Trump was getting a cut from Essential Consultants LLC.
Not one word if the Big Dog thinks Cohen's actions were legal or proper.
Not one word about whether the Big Dog thinks Trump's actions were proper.
Not one word about Trump's moral character.
Not one word about whether the Big Dog admires Trump.
Not one word about whether he wants to have children like Trump.

God forbid he ever talks about the other half of this equation.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Recall that people were so very proud that Stormy received the key to the City of West Hollywood because she heroically took 130k instead of speaking up when it might have made a difference.
No I don't. Can you quote anybody saying that?
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No I don't. Can you quote anybody saying that?
For the record you did not have any comment whatsoever on the fact that the person that orchestrated the silly stunt has an extensive history of sexual harassment.

Can I quote anyone?

Sure

There are lots others too.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
For the record you did not have any comment whatsoever on the fact that the person that orchestrated the silly stunt has an extensive history of sexual harassment.
I didn't know Donald Trump orchestrated giving Stormy the key to West Hollywood.

Did you know that 20 women have accused him of sexual misconduct including two that have accused him of rape?
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
For the record you did not have any comment whatsoever on the fact that the person that orchestrated the silly stunt has an extensive history of sexual harassment.

Can I quote anyone?

Sure

There are lots others too.
LOL

What a curious source.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
For the record you did not have any comment whatsoever on the fact that the person that orchestrated the silly stunt has an extensive history of sexual harassment.

Can I quote anyone?

Sure

There are lots others too.
Citations to random bozos on the internet almost without fail are utterly meaningless data points. This one is no exception.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
... The sleazebucket President had an affair with a porn star and rather than letting her tell the world about it paid her to keep quiet. Within a fortnight of the General Election. He had his bag man (Mikey The Fixer) pay her off out of a shell corporation set-up for just that purpose and 'lo and behold, within 18 months, that shell corporation was earning millions in access fees to get to see THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. This last part is what has to be hammered home... he was selling access to the head of the US Government.
You are attempting to argue matters of fact; Republicanism and its bedfellows are a matter of faith, as per here, or more pointedly here, as this comes up often enough.

Book'a Hicks, Chapter Billy Bob's Rant, Verse umpteenth: Thou shalt double down in the refusal to acknowledge valid and reliable observations so that you might continue to praise the Overlord, unblemished by nasty facts that speak of sin.

On-topic ETA: Go Stormy! Bare the facts!
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Instead of letting her tell the world?

Folks she hired a lawyer with a long history of representing people who were, let’s just say extortion adjacent.

There was nothing stopping the porn star from telling her story other than the fact she wanted the 130,000 pieces of silver.

Hilarious
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