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Old 24th February 2020, 06:25 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
it also makes no sense to man the rocket for flights that aren't even going to go very far.
It makes perfect sense if your goal is a spectacular death.
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Old 24th February 2020, 06:26 AM   #202
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Old 24th February 2020, 07:15 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post

Thank you for the link.
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Old 24th February 2020, 07:43 AM   #204
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Originally Posted by xterra View Post
Thank you for the link.

They did the same thing with Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives, a fake documentary that purported to present evidence of living megalodons roaming the modern oceans.
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Old 24th February 2020, 08:11 AM   #205
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I saw the documentary Rocketman: Mad Mike's Mission to Prove the Flat-Earth and I thought that Mike Hughes was both very brave and very stupid.

As far as I was concerned, the idea of risking your life to prove a fact that has been well established for over 2000 years was quite stupid indeed. Therefore, I am not at all surprised that Mike Hughes died in his attempt to prove a fact that had already long been proven.

What a foolish waste of a very brave, very dedicated and very intelligent individual.
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What a foolish waste of a very brave, very dedicated and very intelligent individual.
I'd say he was stupid as hell. I'm actually happy he only killed himself, and not anybody else.
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post

As far as I was concerned, the idea of risking your life to dis-prove a fact that has been well established for over 2000 years was quite stupid indeed. Therefore, I am not at all surprised that Mike Hughes died in his attempt to dis-prove a fact that had already long been proven.

Small correction above. Your post made it sound like he was trying to double-check existing data rather than trying to prove that existing data was wrong.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
I'd say he was stupid as hell. I'm actually happy he only killed himself, and not anybody else.
After seeing his documentary, I got the impression that he was trying to die in the act of doing something that he could do while getting the public to notice him.

And considering his background is that of a Stunt Man for various movies and TV shows, then I am not terribly surprised by his attitude.
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Small correction above. Your post made it sound like he was trying to double-check existing data rather than trying to prove that existing data was wrong.
In the documentary that I referred to, it sure sounded as if he was trying to prove an already well established fact.
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Actually, I think he gets something of a bum rap. Arguably, his development program was better than the early days of the US space program.

This was his second manned launch. The first one, in March of 2018, made it to 1,875 feet, with a successful (although somewhat hard) landing.

He then went for a fairly modest step up, with a projected altitude of about 5,000 feet. I've no idea how that parachute got loose, but this was not obviously a failure by a complete moron. If someone does a post-mortem on the wreckage, he might be established as a partial moron, but that's not the same thing.

You might want to go to Youtube and look at some of the early rocket launch videos. Hint: search on "US missile launch failure".

At the least, he avoided the perils of high-energy combustion, as his propellant was silver-catalyzed hydrogen peroxide. Frankly, I doubt he ever had a snowball's chance of making it to a high enough altitude to take the photos he supposedly wanted, given the limited Isp of his propellant, but that doesn't fall into the Darwin Award category.
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Old 24th February 2020, 12:15 PM   #211
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Actually, I think he gets something of a bum rap. Arguably, his development program was better than the early days of the US space program.

This was his second manned launch. The first one, in March of 2018, made it to 1,875 feet, with a successful (although somewhat hard) landing.

He then went for a fairly modest step up, with a projected altitude of about 5,000 feet. I've no idea how that parachute got loose, but this was not obviously a failure by a complete moron. If someone does a post-mortem on the wreckage, he might be established as a partial moron, but that's not the same thing.
I totally disagree. Yes, he build decent rocket. The fact that he stepped inside, and that he did it to prove Earth is flat, proves beyond any doubt, that he indeed was complete moron.
I don't really want to laugh at the guy. He was not evil. He was victim of hist stupidity. Also he did it in spectacular way. I even kinda admire him. Seems like cool way to go. But don't say he wasn't moron.
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Old 24th February 2020, 12:30 PM   #212
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
I totally disagree. Yes, he build decent rocket. The fact that he stepped inside, and that he did it to prove Earth is flat, proves beyond any doubt, that he indeed was complete moron.
I don't really want to laugh at the guy. He was not evil. He was victim of hist stupidity. Also he did it in spectacular way. I even kinda admire him. Seems like cool way to go. But don't say he wasn't moron.
Thanks much.

This is just about what I was thinking.

I expect that with his background as an entertainer, then like many entertainers he wanted to exit the stage in the most memorable way that he could think of.

And while getting yourself killed in a home-made rocket in order to prove/disprove some sort of flat Earth nonsense is definitely moronic but it is also produces a death that is definitely memorable.
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Old 24th February 2020, 12:36 PM   #213
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
I totally disagree. Yes, he build decent rocket. The fact that he stepped inside, and that he did it to prove Earth is flat, proves beyond any doubt, that he indeed was complete moron.
I don't really want to laugh at the guy. He was not evil. He was victim of hist stupidity. Also he did it in spectacular way. I even kinda admire him. Seems like cool way to go. But don't say he wasn't moron.
Completely agree with this.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
I totally disagree. Yes, he build decent rocket. The fact that he stepped inside, and that he did it to prove Earth is flat, proves beyond any doubt, that he indeed was complete moron.
I don't really want to laugh at the guy. He was not evil. He was victim of hist stupidity. Also he did it in spectacular way. I even kinda admire him. Seems like cool way to go. But don't say he wasn't moron.
also agree
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Any conspiracists flogging the idea that he was sabotaged to prevent the truth about the flat earth from getting out there?
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Old 24th February 2020, 01:50 PM   #216
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There is a poster here who will sometimes comment that for most people, most of the time, it really makes no difference if the earth is flat or not. I think this was true for Mr. Hughes. There were so many other scientific and engineering issues that he didn't properly take care of that the shape of the earth was not his primary concern there at the end.

Watching the arc of that death trap after the 'chute had been ripped off was just head shaking. Was he already dead? Did he fail to use some backup 'chute? Did he even have a backup 'chute? Such a long arc with such a predictable ending.
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There is a poster here who will sometimes comment that for most people, most of the time, it really makes no difference if the earth is flat or not. I think this was true for Mr. Hughes. There were so many other scientific and engineering issues that he didn't properly take care of that the shape of the earth was not his primary concern there at the end.

Watching the arc of that death trap after the 'chute had been ripped off was just head shaking. Was he already dead? Did he fail to use some backup 'chute? Did he even have a backup 'chute? Such a long arc with such a predictable ending.
He had multiple parachute systems, but they all required manual activation from inside the rocket. So, it appears that he may have been incapacitated. If so, that makes the video a little less disturbing to watch.
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There is a poster here who will sometimes comment that for most people, most of the time, it really makes no difference if the earth is flat or not. I think this was true for Mr. Hughes. There were so many other scientific and engineering issues that he didn't properly take care of that the shape of the earth was not his primary concern there at the end.

Watching the arc of that death trap after the 'chute had been ripped off was just head shaking. Was he already dead? Did he fail to use some backup 'chute? Did he even have a backup 'chute? Such a long arc with such a predictable ending.

Yes, believing in a flat Earth and not properly sorting out your recovery system* are two different things.


*which he always had problems with.
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Actually, I think he gets something of a bum rap. Arguably, his development program was better than the early days of the US space program.

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At the least, he avoided the perils of high-energy combustion, as his propellant was silver-catalyzed hydrogen peroxide. Frankly, I doubt he ever had a snowball's chance of making it to a high enough altitude to take the photos he supposedly wanted, given the limited Isp of his propellant, but that doesn't fall into the Darwin Award category.
Any number of professional or amateur rocketeers could have helped him build a safer and better rocket. Instead he relied on his own instincts. While the US didn't put a man in a rocket until they demonstrated that the systems worked, Hughes boarded his rocket in spite of the recovery systems having never worked correctly.

His current rocket was steam-powered using a pressure vessel made from a part salvaged from a B-52. He wasn't using Hydrogen Peroxide, though he was designing a rocket that would be launched from a balloon and use hydrogen peroxide.

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Well, 2020 barely started, and we already have a spectacularly strong contender for a Darwin Award. What a time to be alive
That was my first thought on seeing the news, "Slam Dunk for a Darwin Award Finalist, and it will have to be a really good year for suicidal idiots for him to lose".
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Any number of professional or amateur rocketeers could have helped him build a safer and better rocket. Instead he relied on his own instincts. While the US didn't put a man in a rocket until they demonstrated that the systems worked, Hughes boarded his rocket in spite of the recovery systems having never worked correctly.

His current rocket was steam-powered using a pressure vessel made from a part salvaged from a B-52. He wasn't using Hydrogen Peroxide, though he was designing a rocket that would be launched from a balloon and use hydrogen peroxide.
Pity the world will now be deprived of seeing that sound concept put into practice.
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He could've accomplished his goal by using a go-pro and a weather balloon. That's been done numerous times and no one died.
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Pity the world will now be deprived of seeing that sound concept put into practice.
Yeah. Rockoons seem like such an obvious and simple way to get a rocket into space. But, practically it is a very difficult trick to pull off. There are lots of issues like how to ignite the rocket motor in a low pressure environment, how to ensure that balloon is in the right location and the rocket is pointed in the right direction, and how to stabilize the balloon and rocket.

And, the use of high-test peroxide adds the challenge of not killing yourself while handling high-test peroxide.
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I just had a thought, don't Flatties have a beef with gravity too?

Well at least 'The Rocketman' demonstrated at least one of their beliefs wrong.
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He could've accomplished his goal by using a go-pro and a weather balloon. That's been done numerous times and no one died.
His goal was to launch himself in a rocket and to push its limits and his.

I don't think that he had any interest in proving the Earth is flat. According to interviews, he knew the Earth is flat, so there was nothing to prove. According to someone who knew him, he knew that the Earth isn't flat, so there was nothing to prove.

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He could've accomplished his goal by using a go-pro and a weather balloon. That's been done numerous times and no one died.
That won't give you the Darwin award though.
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This was his second manned launch. The first one, in March of 2018, made it to 1,875 feet

He then went for a fairly modest step up, with a projected altitude of about 5,000 feet.

Frankly, I doubt he ever had a snowball's chance of making it to a high enough altitude to take the photos he supposedly wanted, given the limited Isp of his propellant, but that doesn't fall into the Darwin Award category.
He should've taken a hot air balloon ride to take pictures. The world altitude record is 21km. But he wouldn't have needed to even go that high up.
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He could've accomplished his goal by using a go-pro and a weather balloon. That's been done numerous times and no one died.
The Go-Pro's fisheye lens makes the horizon look curved in photos taken at ground level - sometimes curved the wrong way. So, I don't think it would be a good choice of camera. :-)
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I didnít mean to come of harsh, so donít worry about it.

As for mad mike, after seeing the documentary Rocketman I sort of hoped heíd survive long enough to actually do something astonishing with his steam rockets. Perhaps even learn something himself too.

But the whole thing was so poorly thought out and (especially) badly constructed and executed, it was always doomed to failure I think.
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And then there is this ...

https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/Ca...el_Jay_Hughes/

Apparently, Hughes was out on bail and facing up to twenty years if convicted of extortion.

I also found a record of him suing Mark Zuckerberg. The last record on that case shows the judge telling Hughes to withdraw the case and refile it in Palo Alto where the defendant lives.

I feel like TMZ. I must take a shower now.
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From what I have read, the guy has been playing Russian Roulette with his stunts for some time, and the loaded chamber finally went off.
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I just had a thought, don't Flatties have a beef with gravity too?

Well at least 'The Rocketman' demonstrated at least one of their beliefs wrong.
You would think so but... guess again.

As per flatards... it's density not (non-existant) gravity. If you're denser than the atmosphere (contained by Gawd's dome) then you fall. Less dense (eg: helium baloon) you rise.
Checkmate globies, Newton was a loser, FE FTW etc. blah, blah, blah.

This won't change any of their minds (those that aren't actually trolls that is).
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You would think so but... guess again.

As per flatards... it's density not (non-existant) gravity. If you're denser than the atmosphere (contained by Gawd's dome) then you fall. Less dense (eg: helium baloon) you rise.
Checkmate globies, Newton was a loser, FE FTW etc. blah, blah, blah.

This won't change any of their minds (those that aren't actually trolls that is).
I was always wondering how this revolutionary principle differs from the explanation Archimedes provided.
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Maybe I am mixing up the nutters, but I recall some thinking that we are attracted to the Earth because of electromagnetic effects. And others saying that the flat Earth is being constantly accelerated upward giving the appearance of gravity.

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And then there is this ...

https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/Ca...el_Jay_Hughes/

Apparently, Hughes was out on bail and facing up to twenty years if convicted of extortion.

I also found a record of him suing Mark Zuckerberg. The last record on that case shows the judge telling Hughes to withdraw the case and refile it in Palo Alto where the defendant lives.

I feel like TMZ. I must take a shower now.
OK, here's a theory:

He actually intended to kill himself and what happened wasn't an accident but was only supposed to appear to be an accident.

Did he have life insurance? If not, can his family still expect to monetize this somehow? Maybe from the companies that sponsored him, the science channel or the general public.
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Maybe I am mixing up the nutters, but I recall some thinking that we are attracted to the Earth because of electromagnetic effects. And others saying that the flat Earth is being constantly accelerated upward giving the appearance of gravity.
That's the thing. There isn't just one flat earth theory, there are many. And all of them are supported by exactly the same amount of evidence.
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OK, here's a theory:

He actually intended to kill himself and what happened wasn't an accident but was only supposed to appear to be an accident.

Did he have life insurance? If not, can his family still expect to monetize this somehow? Maybe from the companies that sponsored him, the science channel or the general public.
I am certain he would not have been able to get life insurance after wrapping himself in bubble wrap then driving a limousine off a ramp into a pile of tires.
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I am certain he would not have been able to get life insurance after wrapping himself in bubble wrap then driving a limousine off a ramp into a pile of tires.
You're probably right, but still I wonder about the alternative quasi-life insurance policy idea that someone like the Science Channel would compensate his family. Or sympathetic people like the flat earth community. At least even if he didn't intend to kill himself, he must have understood that it was a likely outcome anyway and been OK with that.
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I am getting the feeling that "mad" here might refer to more than just his recklessly adventurous spirit.
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There is a poster here who will sometimes comment that for most people, most of the time, it really makes no difference if the earth is flat or not.
Assuming you mean my comment a long time ago, in a thread far away, my point was that some things are not important enough to personally check. But I think by the time you build a rocket, yeah, that point of "doesn't matter enough to check" has kinda been passed.
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