Merged: All things Trump + Russia

[pgwenthold]

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

Proving the charges are the stage we're at now, where everything is subpoena'd for patient, attentive men to go over with the finest of combs. What is admission and what is speculation will need to be sussed out over the coming months.

You actually think McCarthy had secret knowledge about Putin payments to Trump?

[Beelzebuddy]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

You actually think McCarthy had secret knowledge about Putin payments to Trump?

I don't know. But I think him saying so, even in "jest," justifies a closer look at what secret knowledge he had.

[Stacko]

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

I don't know. But I think him saying so, even in "jest," justifies a closer look at what secret knowledge he had.

I think we're more likely to learn about extreme efforts Republicans went through to ensure they knew as little as possible. Russian hacking efforts went all the way down to seemingly insignificant house races and most of the candidates embraced the hacked attacks.

[varwoche]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

You actually think McCarthy had secret knowledge about Putin payments to Trump?

Yeah I think this is pure nothingburger, except for optics.

[Stacko]

Devin Nunez had unrecused himself apparently.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/05/18/p...nce/index.html

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by varwoche

Yeah I think this is pure nothingburger, except for optics.

When you're destroying someone with paper cuts, every little bit is valuable.

[johnny karate]

Originally Posted by varwoche

Yeah I think this is pure nothingburger, except for optics.

I agree, but those optics are pretty damn revealing. They demonstrate that the people who defend Trump actually feel the same way as the rest of us.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by The Don

Present the evidence and we can come to some kind of assessment...

We know where Trump stands on Putin. There's a ton of evidence Rohrabacher has been acting like Putin's lobbyist. Now why would a CA legislator have such an intense interest in Putin's interests?

And if it was an innocent joke, why lie about it until you were caught and only then claim it was a joke?

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

You actually think McCarthy had secret knowledge about Putin payments to Trump?

Maybe it's not so secret. It's obvious both Trump and Rohrabacher have an unusual interest in promoting things that benefit Putin.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by Stacko

Devin Nunez had unrecused himself apparently.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/05/18/p...nce/index.html

And this at the same time it has been postulated Nunes' late night jaunt to the WH was not to view anything but to share what the committee had on Trump with Trump staff.

[trustbutverify]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

We know where Trump stands on Putin. There's a ton of evidence Rohrabacher has been acting like Putin's lobbyist. Now why would a CA legislator have such an intense interest in Putin's interests?

And if it was an innocent joke, why lie about it until you were caught and only then claim it was a joke?

And why insist so stridently, during the big yuk-a-thon, on a strict code of silence? It's just some silly jokes, right?

[skyeagle409]

Originally Posted by JihadJane

One might think that if one were suffering from a nasty rash of paranoid, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories about evil Russia.

So far, Trump has been doing a good job doing just that and when the Russians spew cover-up explanations, they are always 5 cans short of a six pack.

[Checkmite]

Chaffetz has resigned from Congress.

[sts60]

He's probably figured out which countries don't have extradition treaties with us.

Anyway, good riddance.

[JihadJane]

Originally Posted by skyeagle409

So far, Trump has been doing a good job doing just that and when the Russians spew cover-up explanations, they are always 5 cans short of a six pack.

Like the "nutso-clique of aspiring propagandists at the CIA".....

Quote:

The Democratic Party is doing incalculable damage to itself by shapeshifting into the party of baseless conspiracy theories, groundless accusations, and sour grapes. Hillary Clinton was already the most distrusted presidential candidate in party history. Now she’s become the de facto flag-bearer for the nutso-clique of aspiring propagandists at the CIA, the New York Times and Bezo’s Military Digest. How is that going to improve the party’s prospects for the long term?

It won’t, because the vast majority of Americans do not want to align themselves with a party of buck-passing juveniles that have no vision for the future but want to devote all their energy to kooky witch-hunts that further prove they are unfit for high office.

The reason Hillary Clinton lost the election is because she is a polarizing, untrustworthy warmonger. Period. Putin had nothing to do with it.

'The Democrats “Russia Hacking” Campaign is Political Suicide'

[a_unique_person]

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

And why insist so stridently, during the big yuk-a-thon, on a strict code of silence? It's just some silly jokes, right?

Because it looks really bad that they have no respect at all for Trump. It's a lose/lose situation for Trump.

[Argumemnon]

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Like the "nutso-clique of aspiring propagandists at the CIA".....





'The Democrats “Russia Hacking” Campaign is Political Suicide'

Do you live in bizarro world?

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

Do you live in bizarro world?

Well... to be fair, it could have been political suicide when that article was written last year. If it weren't for everything else about Trump that would likely come into play. It was worthwhile, most importantly, BECAUSE of Trump's character and history. Even if it ended up turning up nothing directly, serious investigation was fairly certain to find a lot of other dirt. And... hey, look. We immediately got a bunch of Trump officials who committed perjury about their connections to Russia as something of an opening reward, before getting to the rest of the more recent theatrics. The focus is no longer much on Russian hacking anymore, so it's long past time to ditch the political suicide talk. It's not on the jobs that most of the people actually want... but Trump was never qualified to do good by the economy in the first place, and just keeps proving that. Cuts to food stamps, for example, are a huge step in the exact wrong way, both short term and long term.

[varwoche]

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Like the "nutso-clique of aspiring propagandists at the CIA".....


'The Democrats “Russia Hacking” Campaign is Political Suicide'

Gibberish opinion piece. This was evident even before I read that the writer... "runs his own landscape company in Snohomish, Wa"

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by varwoche

Gibberish opinion piece. This was evident even before I read that the writer... "runs his own landscape company in Snohomish, Wa"

Does counterpunch ever have anything worthwhile?

[trustbutverify]

Originally Posted by jimbob

Does counterpunch ever have anything worthwhile?

Ex-Jewish neo-Nazis?

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by varwoche

Gibberish opinion piece. This was evident even before I read that the writer... "runs his own landscape company in Snohomish, Wa"

I knew it was nonsense just because of who was posting it......

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by jimbob

Does counterpunch ever have anything worthwhile?

Nope;Counterpunch is basically a Left Wing Version of Infowars.

[trustbutverify]

I think of it more as a pseudo-left-wing version of PressTV.

[skyeagle409]

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Like the "nutso-clique of aspiring propagandists at the CIA".....

I know the Russians very well and even know more about the capabilities of their own aircraft and missiles considering their press conferences regarding their own Su-25 and air-to-air and ground-to-air missiles and the MH-17 incident. The Russians were so sloppy, they even depicted the wrong model aircraft during their press conference and that is the same Russia that helped placed Trump in the White House.

Let's also remember that Trump has had the lowest approval rating of any new president in recent memory and he continues to lie on a regular basis. To sum it up, Trump is totally unfit to be president and has now made the United States a laughingstock.

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[Stacko]

They're covering the leaks:

Lead story right now

CNN: Trump and Russians
MSNBC: Trump and Russians
Fox News: Dam repairs

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

Ex-Jewish neo-Nazis?

Originally Posted by dudalb

Nope;Counterpunch is basically a Left Wing Version of Infowars.

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

I think of it more as a pseudo-left-wing version of PressTV.

That was my view.

The kindest view is that it is the regressive left. I do not dispute either of your comments, but thanks for the link, trustbutverify.

[Argumemnon]

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I AGREE

More smoke.

[skyeagle409]

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

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More smoke.

The pressure is building.

Quote:

NYT: Trump brags to Russians about firing 'nut job' Comey

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump bragged to two top Russian officials last week that firing "nut job" FBI Director James Comey eased "great pressure" on him, The New York Times reported Friday.

"I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," Trump said, according to the Times. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politi...mey/index.html

It is apparent, that immature Trump was a bit premature in his assessment.

Quote:

Trump denounces expanded Russia inquiry as a 'witch hunt'

President Trump doesn't seem to be responding well to the appointment of a special counsel to head the investigation into whether anyone tied to his campaign cooperated in Russian efforts to affect the outcome of the 2016 election.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html

[Skeptic Ginger]

Dershowitz is making the CNN/Fox news rounds ranting Trump's civil liberties are being denied and he's outraged. He's claiming even firing Comey to stop the investigation wasn't illegal because Trump had the right.

Tucker Carlson is sucking it up, it's fine for the Trump campaign to collude with the Russians because it wasn't illegal.

Good grief.

Do you think he's applying for a WH job?

[acbytesla]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Dershowitz is making the CNN/Fox news rounds ranting Trump's civil liberties are being denied and he's outraged. He's claiming even firing Comey to stop the investigation wasn't illegal because Trump had the right.

Tucker Carlson is sucking it up, it's fine for the Trump campaign to collude with the Russians because it wasn't illegal.

Good grief.

Do you think he's applying for a WH job?

Dershowitz has grown more and more into a whore. The only place more dangerous than being between Dershowitz and a TV camera is being between Trump and one.

[Tony Stark]

CNN is reporting that Russians bragged about their relationship with Flynn and how they could use him to influence Trump.

[varwoche]

Earlier in another thread, Emily's Cat and I had an exchange...

Originally Posted by varwoche

Trump flat out lied about his relationship with Putin
<snip rest of list>

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Please provide supporting evidence for those claims. Evidence that is actually evidence, not "someone accused someone else of this thing".

... which I said I'd follow-up here. While it defies credulity that you're unaware of these widely known facts, proof for this claim is in the OP of this thread.

I noticed that while I was away, you foisted the truly sorry he's just a ********ter as a counter. I'm hoping you've reconsidered this nonsense, and then we can cover the other claims one by one. Otherwise I will defer to your impermeability.

[skyeagle409]

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

CNN is reporting that Russians bragged about their relationship with Flynn and how they could use him to influence Trump.

And, the smoke keeps right on building and the plot is thickening as the days come and go. How much more will be revealed in the coming days?

[varwoche]

Speaking of which, my list is in need of update. Here's the mounting circumstantial evidence, additions in blue.

• Trump flat out lied about his relationship with Putin
• Trump flat out lied about his role in GOP platform concerning Ukraine
• Manafort flat out lied about his/Trump role in GOP platform
• Manafort flat out lied about his deep Russian relationships
• Manafort received money from Russian contacts
• Trump is pretending that Manafort was minimally involved in the campaign
• Flynn received money from Russian contacts
• Flynn flat out lied about his Russian contacts
• Despite knowing that Flynn was under investigation for Russian (and Turkish) ties, and having been warned that Flynn was a serious security risk, Trump appointed Flynn NSA, fired him only when the facts went public, and continues to coddle him.
• Trump lied by omission about Flynn's contacts
• Sessions flat out lied about his Russian contacts
• Carter Page flat out lied about his Russian contacts
• Various campaign officials lied about Page's relationship with the campaign
• Roger Stone flat out lied about his Russian contacts
• Trump Jr acknowledged significant Russian money coming into the business, but Trump now denies
• Trump openly encouraged Russia to hack Clinton
• Trump fired Comey to impede the investigation, and bragged about it to the Russians
• Kushner omitted meetings with Russians on his security clearance form

Please point out any significant omissions.

[TraneWreck]

Originally Posted by varwoche

Please point out any significant omissions.

Quote:

Russian officials bragged they could use Flynn to influence Trump

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politi...nce/index.html

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by varwoche

Please point out any significant omissions.

If it's just circumstantial... the willingness to just give highly classified information to the Russians for seemingly nothing really in return in that meeting right after Comey was fired would likely count, too?

[Stacko]

Originally Posted by varwoche

Please point out any significant omissions.

Trump campaign had at least 18 undisclosed contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Quote:

Michael Flynn and other advisers to Donald Trump’s campaign were in contact with Russian officials and others with Kremlin ties in at least 18 calls and emails during the last seven months of the 2016 presidential race, current and former U.S. officials familiar with the exchanges told Reuters.

The previously undisclosed interactions form part of the record now being reviewed by FBI and congressional investigators probing Russian interference in the U.S. presidential election and contacts between Trump’s campaign and Russia.

Six of the previously undisclosed contacts described to Reuters were phone calls between Sergei Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the United States, and Trump advisers, including Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser, three current and former officials said.

[Henri McPhee]

Putin wants regime change in America and Ukraine, in the same way as the Pentagon and Israel and Saudi Arabia and Mrs. May want regime change in Syria and Iran and Russia, with Assad must go, so that the anti-Christian Al Qaeda head choppers of Isis and Al-Nusra can take control in Damascus.

[Childlike Empress]