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Old 4th March 2015, 10:07 AM   #321
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
C'mon! This whole thread is about pomposity: participants, many of them just cold war cultural leftovers, departing from pieces of news took at random and doing the written equivalent of mouthing and being opinionated about what they don't know, don't care to know and wouldn't be able to know.
Awww... somebody's still upset.
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Old 4th March 2015, 12:11 PM   #322
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
On the contrary: it is happening almost exactly as I expected it to be (except for the opportunity and value oil reached)



C'mon! This whole thread is about pomposity: participants, many of them just cold war cultural leftovers, departing from pieces of news took at random and doing the written equivalent of mouthing and being opinionated about what they don't know, don't care to know and wouldn't be able to know.

My paragraph -which you qualify as a product of silly pomposity- is designed in the same way of the "Sally, squirrels, obscene calls and neon signs" example used to explain what an integrating factor is -in cognitive science, not mathematics-. It means: if you know a bit about contemporary Venezuela and Latin American politics and culture, you got it, whatever your ideological stance. If you don't, it sounds unarticulated.

Any time you read something "pompous" from mine it'll mean I'm saying "you don't get it and, worse, you seem to be structurally unable to get it".

Antidemocratic regimes take part of their strength from the dynamics of hate. And what has been said here in the Venezuelan/Chavez threads only would strengthen that hate, favouring the antidemocratic field, if they weren't so unimportant in real life.

Anyway these threads are important within the microcosm of these fora and deserve a sceptical approach.
Ah, a true believer.
Anybody who dares to criticise the wonderful Chavez/Bolivarian Revolution regime is anti democratic.
And the big problem with your style is not that is is pompous (though heaven knows it is) but it's often almost incomprehensible word salad. Learn to write clearly. Save the stream of conciousness stuff for some literary website.
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Old 4th March 2015, 12:40 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Ah, a true believer.
Anybody who dares to criticise the wonderful Chavez/Bolivarian Revolution regime is anti democratic.
In fairness, he's not actually a Chavez supporter.

I suspect because it's not the right kind of socialism, but I can't quite tell. His main reason for participation in this thread seems not to be defending Chavez et al., but just bitching about Americans, and how terrible we are for having appropriated the word for the United States alone. It's very imperialist of us.
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Old 4th March 2015, 12:50 PM   #324
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Awww... somebody's still upset.
Well, upset about the low quality of this thread and its participant, sure.

Around the moment of that post you quoted, there were lots of pieces of news depicting the real situation. The most outstanding I avoid discussing here -it was more than worthy to be discussed but, with whom here?- was the Colombian driver -or Columbian, as the missed Virus had said- that took his refrigerated truck full of beef through the wrong motorway exit and crashed against a bridge without enough clearance.

The driver was ignored during the couple of hours he was agonizing until he died. Meanwhile, lots of people sacked the truck and took chunks of beef and groups were seen moving carcasses. The police was unable/unwilling to attend to the party, as well as the ambulance. Meanwhile, a gigantic traffic jam formed and the ubiquitous muggers on motorcycle started to made their pile within the large number of private vehicles trapped.

The Dantesque becoming normal in Venezuela. That was the postcard that had to be discussed, not the petty ideological concerns of coots that, in the immortal words of Colonel Nathan Jessup, "sleep under the blanket of the very freedom that" others provide and pay, and feel hip calling dictators -with all its letters!- those foreign and far tyrants they wouldn't have the guts to fight at home.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Ah, a true believer.
Anybody who dares to criticise the wonderful Chavez/Bolivarian Revolution regime is anti democratic.
And the big problem with your style is not that is is pompous (though heaven knows it is) but it's often almost incomprehensible word salad. Learn to write clearly. Save the stream of conciousness stuff for some literary website.
As we would say here "vos sí que tenés ojo clínico" ("you have a hell of a clinical eye" ---> and ironic remark for whom show to be clueless and deadly wrong about what they're saying)
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
In fairness, he's not actually a Chavez supporter.

I suspect because it's not the right kind of socialism, but I can't quite tell. His main reason for participation in this thread seems not to be defending Chavez et al., but just bitching about Americans, and how terrible we are for having appropriated the word for the United States alone. It's very imperialist of us.
Another one with a clinical eye
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Well, upset about the low quality of this thread and its participant, sure.

Around the moment of that post you quoted, there were lots of pieces of news depicting the real situation. The most outstanding I avoid discussing here -it was more than worthy to be discussed but, with whom here?- was the Colombian driver -or Columbian, as the missed Virus had said- that took his refrigerated truck full of beef through the wrong motorway exit and crashed against a bridge without enough clearance.

The driver was ignored during the couple of hours he was agonizing until he died. Meanwhile, lots of people sacked the truck and took chunks of beef and groups were seen moving carcasses. The police was unable/unwilling to attend to the party, as well as the ambulance. Meanwhile, a gigantic traffic jam formed and the ubiquitous muggers on motorcycle started to made their pile within the large number of private vehicles trapped.

The Dantesque becoming normal in Venezuela. That was the postcard that had to be discussed, not the petty ideological concerns of coots that, in the immortal words of Colonel Nathan Jessup, "sleep under the blanket of the very freedom that" others provide and pay, and feel hip calling dictators -with all its letters!- those foreign and far tyrants they wouldn't have the guts to fight at home.
You bitch and moan about the quality of the thread, and yet, what were you posting about? You were posting about how unfair it was for Americans to call themselves Americans, and objecting to labelling Chavez "leftist". You did nothing to elevate the quality of discussion. But of course, you're blameless, it's always somebody else's fault.

Hell, you're still doing it. Your leading concern is still not what's happening in Venezuela, you're still just using it as a platform to badmouth those damn Americans.
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Yeah,in alecowan's world, anybody who dares to criticise Chavez and his cronies is clueless and deadly wrong.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
...unfair it was for Americans to call themselves Americans, and objecting to labelling Chavez "leftist".
What problem may I have about Americans calling themselves Americans? Reread that part of the discussion so you can get the gist.

And about the "leftist" bit, it was the right thing to do because it's factually wrong and motivated by cultural prejudices -that why I'm calling some participants "cold war cultural leftovers"-. That is, I did it not because Chavez is good, not because Chavez is bad, not because being a leftist is good, not because being a leftist is bad. Do you get it now?

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You did nothing to elevate the quality of discussion. But of course, you're blameless, it's always somebody else's fault.
If I were blameless you wouldn't have an argument, would you?

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Hell, you're still doing it. Your leading concern is still not what's happening in Venezuela, you're still just using it as a platform to badmouth those damn Americans.
I'm concerned about what is happening in Venezuela, and daily informed -about the same news density than regarding the USA-. I even participated in a protest march here together with Venezuelan refugees.

I once had a gay neighbour who had a reproachable behaviour: drug consumption with friends, one of his partners chased to the building by the police tried to commit suicide. He robbed my newspapers. Send a bill to the administration concerning something I had bought for the building and he had the money refunded to him instead. Endless. He always said I was an homophobic and that such homophobia was the reason I criticized him and "invented stories" about him.

You Ziggurat are doing just the same. It was just a dozen of people of assorted nationalities participating here that were and are saying silly things. My objections were/are with what you lot are saying in general -still talking of Chavez when Chavez' body is rotting slowly is kinda poor and silly- . Don't take refugee behind your flag.

And about the Venezuelan political apparatus in power, shame that oil prices don't drop to 25 usd. That would put and end to it in 12-24 months. Meanwhile there are a lot of assets (PVSA gas station networks abroad, shares, sovereign bonds -all Dominican debt bonds were cashed recently-) to finance the regime in the short term. But I have to say that I feel relived that Maduro's regime will be probably still in power by the end of this year, so our current president, vice-president and many more will be able to flee to Venezuela. Not having that option would endanger democracy in Argentina.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
What problem may I have about Americans calling themselves Americans? Reread that part of the discussion so you can get the gist.

And about the "leftist" bit, it was the right thing to do because it's factually wrong and motivated by cultural prejudices -that why I'm calling some participants "cold war cultural leftovers"-. That is, I did it not because Chavez is good, not because Chavez is bad, not because being a leftist is good, not because being a leftist is bad. Do you get it now?
Oh, I get it. It's just that you're completely wrong. You were then, you are now.

Chavez was a leftist. So is Maduro. And "American" means someone from the United States. These things may annoy you, but they're still true.
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Yeah,in alecowan's world, anybody who dares to criticise Chavez and his cronies is clueless and deadly wrong.
No, only if they watch Fox News are American.

Apparently there's a right way to criticize Chavez, Maduro, etc., but we're all too stupid to be able to do it. Only aleCcowaN knows how to do it right.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
No, only if they watch Fox News are American.

Apparently there's a right way to criticize Chavez, Maduro, etc., but we're all too stupid to be able to do it. Only aleCcowaN knows how to do it right.
Here, sure yes. In sight of the quality of your arguments (which I have to say excel the other ones'). It's so true that I bet that we'll almost see nothing but variations of that in this thread.

I'm glad also Ziggurat that you can't comment, expand or contradict anything what I said about the situation in Venezuela, and (Latin) America in particular. That would have been too much on topic.

So, why don't we invite the new dude to join; the one that opened the thread about Obama taking control of local governments and continued the one about Apollo being a hoax? He's a great get to the fora and certainly he wouldn't be out of place here, quality wise. Don't worry, he is American!
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Well, upset about the low quality of this thread and its participant, sure.

Around the moment of that post you quoted, there were lots of pieces of news depicting the real situation. The most outstanding I avoid discussing here -it was more than worthy to be discussed but, with whom here?-
Can you see the ground from that horse you are on?
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Can you see the ground from that horse you are on?
If you have something to discuss about the topic, go on:

how about the "diplomatic crisis" between Venezuela and USA (or more of the same manure: imperialist yada yada, they want to invade, yada, yada)?

how about the "pseudo coup d'état" on February 12th (more smoke screens, but preparation for the important event)?

and, how about the parliamentary elections of September 13th (what is driving the regime totally crazy)?
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No, only if they watch Fox News are American.

Apparently there's a right way to criticize Chavez, Maduro, etc., but we're all too stupid to be able to do it. Only aleCcowaN knows how to do it right.
I've seen no evidence of that.
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To those who indeed want to know and comment about Venezuela, this excellent article:

(in Spanish) Two Years Without the Eternal Leader.

horribly, gibberishy translated by Google.

Though the author, Daniel Lozano, has written for the Huffington Post, you would hardly get anything of that quality about Venezuela through media in English, unless they're specialty media.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
To those who indeed want to know and comment about Venezuela, this excellent article:

(in Spanish) Two Years Without the Eternal Leader.

horribly, gibberishy translated by Google.

Though the author, Daniel Lozano, has written for the Huffington Post, you would hardly get anything of that quality about Venezuela through media in English, unless they're specialty media.
I'm not seeing anything there that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam by US, English language mainstream media. Was there something I missed?
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I'm not seeing anything there that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam by US, English language mainstream media. Was there something I missed?
Give three examples of hard facts relevant to the whole picture in the article that has been discussed as such in this thread in the past. Not strangely, yours is a gratuitous assertion that can be backed in the future -if needed- with googling and a rubber definition of mainstream media.

I'm pretty confident you wrote your post without even having read the article, as your post is shaped in a general falsely specific way as many thousands of yours, just to elicit replies.

Note that you have more than 0.5, closer than 0.6% of the forum non-administrative post count. Mostly one-liners in the same style: falsely-pungent, reply-eliciting.
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Regarding September congress elections...

Ministry of Plenty: Venezuela to install finger scanners to tackle shortages

Ministry of Love: No vote? You're not in the system!

Meanwhile, is it Samper a visionary or a traitor?
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Give three examples of hard facts relevant to the whole picture in the article that has been discussed as such in this thread in the past.
All of them. What do you think hasn't been discussed?
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All of them. What do you think hasn't been discussed?
Name three among "all of them", then ask me again.
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Name three among "all of them", then ask me again.
Not playing whack-a-mole with you, name one issue you think hasn't been brought up in US media.
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Not playing whack-a-mole with you, name one issue you think hasn't been brought up in US media.
What about "none of them"?
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What about "none of them"?
Just as I suspected you can't come up with a single example, and were just talking nonsense again.
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Just as I suspected you can't come up with a single example, and were just talking nonsense again.
Just what Carnac told me you'd say...
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Old 10th March 2015, 10:11 AM   #346
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This thread is starting to make no sense.
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Then, jump into the topic and discuss it. We have a terrible situation now, however interesting from the angle of political analysis. That's why I said "Samper, visionary or a traitor?" and now we can add Obama's actions to the package. Both approaches are kinda opposite, one more influential (Samper's -or UNASUR's-) and the other one more loud (Obama's). Both could be used by the regime in their own benefit.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Just what Carnac told me you'd say...
You don't need Carnac to know I'll call you out on your nonsense.

Go ahead, name one thing from that article you think wasn't mentioned in a US news source and I'll prove you wrong in 10 seconds of googling.
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
You don't need Carnac to know I'll call you out on your nonsense.

Go ahead, name one thing from that article you think wasn't mentioned in a US news source and I'll prove you wrong in 10 seconds of googling.
That's poppycock, and you know it.

This thread contains enough evidence of you never having read that article in post #336, and yet by your own admission you are going to manufacture "proofs" by googling.

I would like to see you doing that and dissipating like this, but first you have to show you did really read that article. Then I'll oblige.

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So the US has passed "emergency sanctions" on Venezuela. Wow, they must have really gone to **** if Bush just ignored them.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
That's poppycock, and you know it.

This thread contains enough evidence of you never having read that article in post #336, and yet by your own admission you are going to manufacture "proofs" by googling.

I would like to see you doing that and dissipating like this, but first you have to show you did really read that article. Then I'll oblige.

LOL, you went back 12 years???


Of course I can prove you wrong by googling, since all I have to do is find articles in US news media you claim aren't there.

But you've now run away from the challenge and are just going to pout, pity.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
That's poppycock, and you know it.

This thread contains enough evidence of you never having read that article in post #336, and yet by your own admission you are going to manufacture "proofs" by googling.

I would like to see you doing that and dissipating like this, but first you have to show you did really read that article. Then I'll oblige.

Why don't you accurately translate the article into English, so all of the rabble (who somehow managed to predict Chavismo outcomes with an amazing degree of accuracy years ago) can benefit from the brilliant analysis?
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Of course I can prove you wrong by googling, since all I have to do is find articles in US news mainstream media you claim aren't there.
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Why don't you accurately translate the article into English, so all of the rabble (who somehow managed to predict Chavismo outcomes with an amazing degree of accuracy years ago) can benefit from the brilliant analysis?
Why would I do a work that is worth 25$ each 100 words in our devalued market -not that I could charge- for people* who haven't shown the slightest interest in what is happening in Venezuela so far? (besides little real interest in scepticism and education)

Believe me, this:

Cold War Cultural Leftover 1: - "Look what the press says Chavism did!"
Cold War Cultural Leftover 2: - "Pal, didn't I tell you this commies are dangerous or not?"

is not being interested nor being sceptical either.

* I would have said "a bunch of phonies" but not everyone is a phony.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Why would I do a work that is worth 25$ each 100 words in our devalued market -not that I could charge- for people* who haven't shown the slightest interest in what is happening in Venezuela so far? (besides little real interest in scepticism and education)

Believe me, this:

Cold War Cultural Leftover 1: - "Look what the press says Chavism did!"
Cold War Cultural Leftover 2: - "Pal, didn't I tell you this commies are dangerous or not?"

is not being interested nor being sceptical either.

* I would have said "a bunch of phonies" but not everyone is a phony.
Still can't find a single thing from that article that wasn't reported in the US news media, can you? How... unsurprising.
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For those interested in the effect of Obama's actions outside the USA. You can peruse these:

By Daniel Lozano, Spanish journalist specialized in Venezuelan affairs, who writes for right and centre-right papers -Chavism considers him to be an enemy-:

[In Spanish] Los efectos colaterales del conflicto entre Venezuela y EEUU (Venezuela - USA Confrontation: Its Collateral Effects)

There's another highly interesting column by Monica Hirst (Brazilian political analyst) published by La Nación (Buenos Aires), a right-wing paper, but it is translated into Spanish and requires registration. You can access it via Google Translator, but it's awful, as it comes up with the headline "A Strategic Resource and Anachronistic Obama", being it in the lines of "The Strategic (and Anachronistic) Resource Obama Used".

From Lozano's, the list of effects:

1) Oxygen for a choking Maduro.
2) Perfect excuse for legally gaining extraordinary powers.
3) More repression of political opponents.
4) Glue cracks within Chavism
5) Perception of pressure transferred from Cuba to Venezuela.
6) Opposition in a crossroad -opposition heavily damaged indeed-.
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Still can't find a single thing from that article that wasn't reported in the US news media, can you? How... unsurprising.
The moment you report here one you can find, we'll continue our conversation.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
The moment you report here one you can find, we'll continue our conversation.
I already told you every single one.

Your article provided nothing new to anyone paying attention to Venezuela stories in US media.

You claimed it contained things not reported here, you provide the evidence. But we both know you can't back up your claims, don't we?
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aleCcowaN. Are you living in Argentina? Born and raised?
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[You may use http://www.spanishdict.com/translation to get better than Google's translations]

From here (original in Spanish, my translation):

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Both MUD [Venezuelan opposition] and most of its leaders know that the main beneficiary of this conflict [Obama's recent actions regarding Venezuela] is Maduro himself. This escalation with the United States provides him with both a needed oxygen tank and new smoke screens. For the time being, the conflict has achieved certain developments to go unnoticed within the turmoil and whirl of revolutionary magical surrealism. Reuters reported that the Central Bank of Venezuela is negotiating in Wall Street a swap involving their gold reserves, 1.4 million ounces of gold in exchange for 1.5 billion US dollars, for four years. The interested banks are Credit Suisse and Bank of America.
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