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Old 30th March 2017, 04:58 PM   #281
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
It seems a huge stretch to think parts of the White House that never has a firewall between themselves and the president (unlike the FBI which has a tradition of it), is somehow leaking info to you that favors the president.
And this contradicts what I said, how?
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...the point was to trick Nunes into thinking he was being given intel by leakers instead of by Trump
Does Nunes seem very bright to you?
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Old 30th March 2017, 04:59 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by michael44 View Post
If luck has it, this might even mean bye bye for Pence too.
Seems like the news media is avoiding that room elephant.
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Old 30th March 2017, 05:00 PM   #283
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In a justice system worth the name, sure. In 2017 USA, he'll be just fine.
Nixon got a pardon through a political deal. Trump has no such friends that I can see.
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Old 30th March 2017, 05:02 PM   #284
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What, exactly, does Flynn think he needs immunity from? Just crimes in general or something more specific?
He knows his conversations were recorded. He knows what is on them. He denied any contact with Russians, denied any discussion about sanctions, then suddenly had to resign.

News is reporting, immunity has not yet been granted.

Flynn is on video saying people asking for immunity to discuss Clinton's email indicate guilt. Whoops.

News also reporting a reminder, there is something wrong with his being an agent of Turkey and forgetting to put that on his security clearance forms.

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I wish I was watching more closely this morning to see who it was on CNN saying he hoped the Senate committee would get to the bottom of why Russia was favoring Clinton. And he said it repeatedly.
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Old 30th March 2017, 05:06 PM   #286
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Old 30th March 2017, 05:07 PM   #287
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I wish I was watching more closely this morning to see who it was on CNN saying he hoped the Senate committee would get to the bottom of why Russia was favoring Clinton. And he said it repeatedly.
Google knows all.

‘Just a point of fact’: CNN’s Poppy Harlow squashes GOP intel official who says Russia ‘favored’ Clinton
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Old 30th March 2017, 05:23 PM   #288
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
He knows his conversations were recorded. He knows what is on them. He denied any contact with Russians, denied any discussion about sanctions, then suddenly had to resign.

News is reporting, immunity has not yet been granted.

Flynn is on video saying people asking for immunity to discuss Clinton's email indicate guilt. Whoops.


News also reporting a reminder, there is something wrong with his being an agent of Turkey and forgetting to put that on his security clearance forms.
Now, that is funny.
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Old 30th March 2017, 05:28 PM   #289
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
And this contradicts what I said, how?

Does Nunes seem very bright to you?
No. But it seems like the plan would require sloth from Goonies level intelligence to fall for. I don't think he is that dumb.
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Nixon got a pardon through a political deal. Trump has no such friends that I can see.
Alex Jones is now a respected journalist. It's a different country.
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Old 30th March 2017, 06:12 PM   #291
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Thanks so much! I was probably reading some idiocy on this forum at the time.
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Old 30th March 2017, 07:01 PM   #292
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
No. But it seems like the plan would require sloth from Goonies level intelligence to fall for. I don't think he is that dumb.
There is no evidence any of these guys are competent. Perhaps you know of some?
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Alex Jones is now a respected journalist. It's a different country.
Yeah, and there are a lot of alt-right people in Congress. But still, a political deal to keep a POTUS out of jail seems to me to be something the POTUS must have respect in order to earn it. Who respects this guy? People like Pence and Ryan kiss his ass to get stuff, but respect? I don't see it.

Speaking of a different time, were you around during Nixon? There was a big issue of, how could we send a POTUS to jail. I sure don't see that now. Hell, they chanted "lock her up" at Trump's rallies. No respect there for sure.

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There is no evidence any of these guys are competent. Perhaps you know of some?
Devin Nunes simple ability to make it into chambers without peeing himself would seem to make him smarter than to think it was a legitimate leak.
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Old 30th March 2017, 07:29 PM   #295
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Devin Nunes simple ability to make it into chambers without peeing himself would seem to make him smarter than to think it was a legitimate leak.
That's not evidence.

But feel free to agree to disagree. I see no point in arguing our different opinions of Nunes.
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Old 30th March 2017, 07:47 PM   #296
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That's not evidence.

But feel free to agree to disagree. I see no point in arguing our different opinions of Nunes.
I think we have the same opinion of Nunes. I think we have a different opinion on how dumb you have to be to think the two sources were not acting on behalf of the White House.
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Yeah, that's what surprises me - there is some actual stuff going down. It's gotten more and more likely as the information keeps leaking out, but during the campaign, as much as I hated Trump, it just seemed unlikely that they would have done something so stupid.

What's interesting to me are the previous connections between Russia/pro-Russian factions in Ukraine and Stone, Manafort, the whole Trump family, Flynn...etc.

It seems to me that those relationships are the means by which they stayed in contact with Russia throughout the election. We'll see. The more insane their behavior gets (Nunes) the more I'm inclined to believe they did something impeachable.
Well, perhaps, but the Republicans are currently in charge, and they don't seem eager to impeach.
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Well, perhaps, but the Republicans are currently in charge, and they don't seem eager to impeach.
Despite Ol' Tape Tie's many questionable actions, if not full-on transgressions, there may not yet be anything to base impeachment on. And the House, fanatic as they largely are, will need something clearly ironclad before they risk their necks, especially in this political climate.

Furthermore, I would prefer saner heads in high places reserve mentioning the I-word until the time it's appropriate. Those opposed to Don Wan should consider how crying wolf can water down its potency and value*.



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Yeah, and there are a lot of alt-right people in Congress. But still, a political deal to keep a POTUS out of jail seems to me to be something the POTUS must have respect in order to earn it. Who respects this guy? People like Pence and Ryan kiss his ass to get stuff, but respect? I don't see it.

Speaking of a different time, were you around during Nixon? There was a big issue of, how could we send a POTUS to jail. I sure don't see that now. Hell, they chanted "lock her up" at Trump's rallies. No respect there for sure.
I disagree with the highlighted. IMO there merely has to be less damage to the GOP in striking a political deal to keep a POTUS out of prison than there is in him going to prison.

In any case IMO it's never going to get anywhere near that far. Any investigation that starts to find tangible evidence will quickly be derailed by GOP committee members and sent off to investigate the Obama White House instead.
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Old 31st March 2017, 09:59 AM   #300
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Obama Officials Made List of Russia Probe Documents To Keep Them Safe

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Obama administration officials were so concerned about what would happen to key classified documents related to the Russia probe once President Trump took office that they created a list of document serial numbers to give to senior members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, a former Obama official told NBC News.
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Wow, that is some serious gaslighting.
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There's actually a whole thread on that subject.
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This seems to have been missed the first time around.

I do wonder if the President's fear of Muslims will trump his liking for Russia... or whether Russia has some hold over him



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Note the news source for this story, the first hit for my Google search

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/2...an-afghanistan


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A top U.S. general told Congress today it's "fair to assume" that Russia is providing support to the Taliban in Afghanistan.*

"I think it is fair to assume they may be providing some sort of support to [the Taliban], in terms of weapons or other things that may be there. I believe what Russia is ... attempting to be an influential party in this part of the world. ,” said four-star Gen. Joseph Votel, CENTCOM Commander.

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Spicer is in rare form... The Real Russian Collusiontm was perpetrated by Obama/Hillary.



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That was Garry Shandling.
Wow, opps.
That's okay.

Garry Shandling could stand in as another Billy Crystal.
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Spicer is in rare form... The Real Russian Collusiontm was perpetrated by Obama/Hillary.



Bizarro world.
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It's their MO. "I know you are but what am I?"
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God, it's like a Mafia movie where the Capo rats on the Don....(no pun intended)
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God, it's like a Mafia movie where the Capo rats on the Don....(no pun intended)




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Wow, that is some serious gaslighting.
Spicer's press briefing today he's trying hard to make Clinton the one with Russian connections, repeating the lies again about pay to play, repeating the misstatements about the uranium sale.

They've been given the talking points memo to sell that narrative along with the attempts to deflect the issue to Obama spying "for political purposes".

Spicer is now trying to use the misstated story about what Farkus supposedly said even though she herself said she was quoted out of context.

Snopes: Did Evelyn Farkas Just Leak Information Confirming President Obama Spied on President Trump?
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The 1 March 2017 Times article held that “warning signs had been building throughout the summer,” and that “American intelligence began picking up conversations in which Russian officials were discussing contacts with Trump associates, and European allies were starting to pass along information about people close to Mr. Trump meeting with Russians in the Netherlands, Britain and other countries.” Farkas reiterated the gist of that article’s recounting of frantic efforts on the part of Washington insiders (current and former) to prevent a loss of intelligence about possible Russian election meddling:...

Nothing said or repeated by Evelyn Farkas on 2 March 2017 was novel or ostensibly more revealing than the New York Times article published just before her interview, and Farkas described the actions of Washington operatives (not President Obama) to preserve extant intelligence about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election (not to spy on Donald Trump).
WA Po: The latest attempt to validate Trump’s wiretapping claim? An Obama official who left in 2015.
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The emotional stability is the best part.
after @MajorCBS asks about Flynn, Trump leaves signing ceremony without signing executive orders. Pence went and picked it up from desk
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I don't like Pence very much, but I feel a little sorry for him since he has to clean up so many of Donald's messes.
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I don't like Pence very much, but I feel a little sorry for him since he has to clean up so many of Donald's messes.
Sorry is not what I'm feeling, it's, what is it, something else with S...Oh yeah, schadenfreude. Spicer is actually a little more pitiable. But not much.
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That's okay.

Garry Shandling could stand in as another Billy Crystal.
Not any more.
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Probably only a momentary time out - Ol' Tape Tie will no doubt be back to sign another pile tomorrow Monday when he returns from Mar-a-Golf-Round.
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I don't like Pence very much, but I feel a little sorry for him since he has to clean up so many of Donald's messes.
He didn't have to sign up. Greedy for power, I don't feel the least bit sorry for him.
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This seems to have been missed the first time around.

I do wonder if the President's fear of Muslims will trump his liking for Russia... or whether Russia has some hold over him
I think Russia and Trump are aligned on the Muslim thing.

Even if Russia is supporting the Taliban financially - which I find possible - it's in stark contrast to their overwhelming anti-Muslim attitude that has emerged after the Chechen Republic's secession attempt.

Russia is quite enthusiastic about depicting their police state a Muslim-proofed 'security'.
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I disagree with the highlighted. IMO there merely has to be less damage to the GOP in striking a political deal to keep a POTUS out of prison than there is in him going to prison.

In any case IMO it's never going to get anywhere near that far. Any investigation that starts to find tangible evidence will quickly be derailed by GOP committee members and sent off to investigate the Obama White House instead.
Yep. Trump blamed the Democrats for the fact that the House couldn't pass AHCA.

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Ok, right. We've proven there was treason in the Trump campaign. Damn. Um...

Oh, I've got this: Well why didn't the Obama administration catch this treason? Did they look the other way? Were they complicit? THAT'S THE REAL CRIME! Lock Him Up!
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"Sir, that's not what the VP is actually for..."

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God, it's like a Mafia movie where the Capo rats on the Don....(no pun intended)
I doubt Flynn is willing to rat on anyone... it's just a gambit to undermine the potency of the investigation.
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Spicer is in rare form... The Real Russian Collusiontm was perpetrated by Obama/Hillary.



Bizarro world.
Well, that's the current RT/Kremlin ******** taking points memo. Stand-by for further instructions.
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