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Old 15th May 2017, 05:17 PM   #121
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Prove the consequences? I'm going to be generous and assume you meant "prove the actions". In this case, Trump ran for potus. He won and is now potus. That is the consequence I am referring to. To suggest that we excuse his inexperience in politics and grant him Mulligan after Mulligan is ludicrous. If we have to hold our leaders by the hand, are they really fit to lead?
Did I say we had to hold his hand through everything, once again it's about politics. Every president has advisors that walk them through these things. This is an easy one.
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:18 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Yes, because you don't understand how politics works?

You'll notice most if not all presidents do this. Trump gets into more trouble because he has people helping him who also don't understand politics.

Simple stuff folks.
Yes, you present weighty evidence here of Trump's monumental incompetence. Simple stuff indeed. Thank you.

Don't worry, Jared will get things in order.
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:18 PM   #123
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Yep. Trump was right. He could shoot someone on 5th Avenue in broad daylight and his supporters would still have his back.
You mean like Obama did? Running guns and leaving our men to die? Yeah sure.
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:19 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Did I say we had to hold his hand through everything, once again it's about politics. Every president has advisors that walk them through these things. This is an easy one.
But apparently Trump isn't competent enough to hire good ones.

But he said he only hires the best people.
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:19 PM   #125
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Yes, you present weighty evidence here of Trump's monumental incompetence. Simple stuff indeed. Thank you.

Don't worry, Jared will get things in order.
Kinda obvious to me, I'm glad I could help you.
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:20 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
That is an insult to 17 year olds.
You are probably right..........make it 7 year olds.
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:20 PM   #127
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Originally Posted by marplots View Post
Maybe there's a tape of the conversation.
Maybe Trump will send a couple bumbling PIs to steal the tapes?
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:20 PM   #128
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Actually the clear reality is Trump is terrible at politics. His business career might be your first clue.
Oh, you mean the one where he lost most of Daddy's money?
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:20 PM   #129
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But apparently Trump isn't competent enough to hire good ones.

But he said he only hires the best people.
More political promises from a novice? Got a clue yet? Seeing it my way?
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The issue is not what Trump leaked....you can make a strong argument that the information on ISIS methods is something that should be shared with other countries, even those who are not exactly our best buddies....but the incredibly inept,grandstanding way in which it was done.
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More political promises from a novice? Got a clue yet? Seeing it my way?
It is almost like he shouldn't be the president. Not even capable of hiring people that can effectively hold his hand.
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Oh, you mean the one where he lost most of Daddy's money?
No, meaning many people outside of politics don't understand what the left is capable of.
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You haven't a clue, it's obviously politics. It doesn't even matter about his intelligence when it comes to these kinds of things. The dumbest person in the world can walk right through when handled correctly. We're dealing with the left, they deal with everything through emotion.
Trump plus Intel plus Russians. Where are the politics, except in Trump's head?
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:23 PM   #134
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It is almost like he shouldn't be the president. Not even capable of hiring people that can effectively hold his hand.
No, we want him, he's not the usual corrupt establishment, beginning with the chief crook, Hillary. Thank God we didn't get her.
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No, meaning many people outside of politics don't understand what the left is capable of.
You're coming dangerously close to admitting it was a mistake for Republicans to nominate him.
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:24 PM   #136
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Trump plus Intel plus Russians. Where are the politics, except in Trump's head?
By the way it's handled? Your first clue!

You're also betting that this fake news is true, as usual.
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No, meaning many people outside of politics don't understand what the left is capable of.
Yeah right, blame the left for his screw ups.
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No, we want him, he's not the usual corrupt establishment, beginning with the chief crook, Hillary. Thank God we didn't get her.
You want someone that needs his hand held yet is incapable of finding people that can do that correctly. Interesting.
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Heck, even in business you are supposed to be able to withhold information from suppliers and customers and not reveal that to their competitors. That's why non-disclosure agreements exist.
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Old 15th May 2017, 05:25 PM   #140
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You're coming dangerously close to admitting it was a mistake for Republicans to nominate him.
Lol
My choice was Cruz? Didn't you know that, yes you did!
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Yeah right, blame the left for his screw ups.
No, I'm blaming him and the people around him. We all know what the disgusting left is about!
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Heck, even in business you are supposed to be able to withhold information from suppliers and customers and not reveal that to their competitors. That's why non-disclosure agreements exist.
Does this prove your ignorance of politics?
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Lol
My choice was Cruz? Didn't you know that, yes you did!
No I didn't. But if you want to admit that the plurality of Republican primary voters screwed up by selecting someone who needs his hand held yet can't even do that right, I won't argue with you.
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No, I'm blaming him and the people around him. We all know what the disgusting left is about!
That's an interesting tack. The left is horrible because the President leaked code word classified information to the Russians? And what was the problem you had with Hillary's email server?
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That's an interesting tack. The left is horrible because the President leaked code word classified information to the Russians? And what was the problem you had with Hillary's email server?
Its fascinating in this time of fake news and you've bought it hook line and sinker. The left is horrible because they've created this fake news as they always do.
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Its fascinating in this time of fake news and you've bought it hook line and sinker. The left is horrible because they've created this fake news as they always do.
Poor king birther Donald.
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No, I'm blaming him and the people around him. We all know what the disgusting left is about!
Do you think the "left" somehow set Trump up and then leaked a fake news
story?
No, that cannot be right.

Maybe you should read the rest of the Washington Post article.
There is a lot of information in the article, including what the consequences
of giving that intel to the Russians.

You know, for someone who clutched his pearls whenever Hillary's name
came up (well, those four downgraded emails could have started armageddon)
it is fascinating to watch the Trumpster's double down on the rightness of
giving away "the best intel" to Russian diplomats.

Kislyak, (spelling?) that guy no one can remember meeting ten times, was
also at the meeting.

Why would the POTUS want to give away intel that AMERICAN
men and women worked hard to get, and now, maybe someone will die because
of that idiot's pathological need to be right and the "best".
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Poor king birther Donald.
Lol
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Originally Posted by snoop_doxie View Post
Do you think the "left" somehow set Trump up and then leaked a fake news
story?
No, that cannot be right.

Maybe you should read the rest of the Washington Post article.
There is a lot of information in the article, including what the consequences
of giving that intel to the Russians.

You know, for someone who clutched his pearls whenever Hillary's name
came up (well, those four downgraded emails could have started armageddon)
it is fascinating to watch the Trumpster's double down on the rightness of
giving away "the best intel" to Russian diplomats.

Kislyak, (spelling?) that guy no one can remember meeting ten times, was
also at the meeting.

Why would the POTUS want to give away intel that AMERICAN
men and women worked hard to get, and now, maybe someone will die because
of that idiot's pathological need to be right and the "best".
He probably thinks that the WaPo (and the outlets that confirmed the story) just made the whole thing up.
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Do you think the "left" somehow set Trump up and then leaked a fake news
story?
No, that cannot be right.

Maybe you should read the rest of the Washington Post article.
There is a lot of information in the article, including what the consequences
of giving that intel to the Russians.
Doesn't that seem odd to put in an article that has an anonymous source?
They get right to the consequences? We might have a clue!
Quote:
You know, for someone who clutched his pearls whenever Hillary's name
came up (well, those four downgraded emails could have started armageddon)
it is fascinating to watch the Trumpster's double down on the rightness of
giving away "the best intel" to Russian diplomats.
I'm not Catholic, don't have any pearls. I'm usually clutching a chainsaw.
Quote:
Kislyak, (spelling?) that guy no one can remember meeting ten times, was
also at the meeting.

Why would the POTUS want to give away intel that AMERICAN
men and women worked hard to get, and now, maybe someone will die because
of that idiot's pathological need to be right and the "best".
Don't tell any libs, they'll be demanding a special prosecutor.
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I work in a call center for a major telecommunications company and *I* have a better grasp of protecting secure information than this clown.
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He probably thinks that the WaPo (and the outlets that confirmed the story) just made the whole thing up.
Impossible!
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Does this prove your ignorance of politics?
No, the reaction it got proved something though.
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Doesn't that seem odd to put in an article that has an anonymous source?
Um, no. Do you even know what anonymous source means? It doesn't mean that the WaPo doesn't know who the source is. It means they won't reveal it.
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Um, no. Do you even know what anonymous source means? It doesn't mean that the WaPo doesn't know who the source is. It means they won't reveal it.
Do you even know why all these fake news peddlers won't reveal sources? A clue perhaps?
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Impossible!
Yes because everything is a conspiracy against the idiot who you admit needs a hand holder and can't even hire one that does it right.
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He probably thinks that the WaPo (and the outlets that confirmed the story) just made the whole thing up.
Yep, that is the feeling I got from some comments after the WaPo article.

The ones who could string together a sentence or two were
changing the subject, and misdirection.

Hillary!
Butter emails!

Trump must be the most basic needy baby.
He has no idea of the power of his office.
Who cares about the intelligence officers in the field
he wants the Russians in the room to be impressed with him.

It is cringeworthy and embarrassing.
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Do you even know why all these fake news peddlers won't reveal sources? A clue perhaps?
Deep Throat.
Remember that logger?
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Yep, that is the feeling I got from some comments after the WaPo article.
Lol, the feeling. This is just too easy!
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