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Old 15th May 2017, 07:14 PM   #201
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Again I ask...
Is this the end?
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:17 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Again I ask...
Is this the end?
No. Nothing is likely to happen to President Trump. He'll last out his full term.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:18 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
Would it be too much to ask for somebody to find this character an intern to distract him?
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:18 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Again I ask...
Is this the end?
I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:19 PM   #205
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
No. Nothing is likely to happen to President Trump. He'll last out his full term.
Four more years of this circus? Hell please no.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:19 PM   #206
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Again I ask...
Is this the end?
Simple answer. Nope.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:24 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Again I ask...
Is this the end?
I doubt it. He could shoot the British Ambassador in cold blood in the middle of the Oval Office on live TV, and you'd have all the Republicans claiming it was self defence and he was just invoking his 2nd Amendment rights.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:25 PM   #208
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At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly,” said Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster.

McMaster later told reporters at the White House, “Other senior officials who were present, including the secretary of state, remember the meeting the same way and have said so. Their on-the-record accounts should outweigh those of anonymous sources. I was in the room, it didn’t happen.”

“This story is false. The president only discussed the common threats that both countries faced,” added Dina Powell, Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategy, who also attended the meeting.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:27 PM   #209
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At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly,” said Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster.

McMaster later told reporters at the White House, “Other senior officials who were present, including the secretary of state, remember the meeting the same way and have said so. Their on-the-record accounts should outweigh those of anonymous sources. I was in the room, it didn’t happen.”

“This story is false. The president only discussed the common threats that both countries faced,” added Dina Powell, Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategy, who also attended the meeting.
The White House provides a non-denial denial for the Russia leak story

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However, McMaster is issuing a non-denial denial — denying something that wasn’t actually reported. To be clear, the Post says that Trump shared intelligence provided by the source, not that the president leaked who the source is.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:28 PM   #210
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Originally Posted by TheRealnz View Post
At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly,” said Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster.

McMaster later told reporters at the White House, “Other senior officials who were present, including the secretary of state, remember the meeting the same way and have said so. Their on-the-record accounts should outweigh those of anonymous sources. I was in the room, it didn’t happen.”

“This story is false. The president only discussed the common threats that both countries faced,” added Dina Powell, Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategy, who also attended the meeting.
"I am not a crook."
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:29 PM   #211
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Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
Yeah, repeatedly posting that obviously false article does not make it true.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:30 PM   #212
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Yeah, repeatedly posting that obviously false article does not make it true.
It being true makes it true. McMaster is denying something that the WaPo didn't even report.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:33 PM   #213
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Originally Posted by Arisia View Post
People just might, the night is still young.

Two things being conveyed...

First, reporters were describing the TVs being turned up to cover the sound of a loud bit of yelling (at Bannon?, Priebus? etc.).

That's hilarious.

Second, the night is not so young East Coast time. 10:30ish and they uncharacteristically have still not called a full lid on the press.

That is more ominous.
(Ok... and hilarious too. )
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:37 PM   #214
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Denying things that weren't actually reported by the WaPo is an implicit admission that what they reported is true.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:39 PM   #215
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We've been here many times before; Trump does this all the time, shooting off his mouth before he thinks. All because of his tremendous ego.
The clear pattern is Trump loves hobnobbing with the rich and powerful in addition to, or as part of his extreme narcissism.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:40 PM   #216
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Things are fun (for us "libruls") when a Republican Ethics Lawyer* (almost choked typing that) spends so much time excoriating the "Republican" POTUS.



* That's Richard Painter of course... I swear I believe that man would love to bitch slap Trump if he thought the USSS would allow it.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:41 PM   #217
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
I suspect that the 'football' is actually a speak and spell. I doubt he would notice.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:43 PM   #218
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Again I ask...
Is this the end?
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No. Nothing is likely to happen to President Trump. He'll last out his full term.
I think we're getting there. I still say we just need to hold on until Nov 2018 but Trump may not make that possible.

It's one thing to get away with making a bunch of BS promises. It's another when you are actually charged with the job and the fact the emperor has no clothes becomes painfully apparent.

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Old 15th May 2017, 07:44 PM   #219
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It being true makes it true. McMaster is denying something that the WaPo didn't even report.
Exactly and which goes quite a distance to confirm what was reported!
If someone is accused of stealing a car and in a carefully crafted response they deny stealing a yellow car, any smart person will begin to wonder just what color was the car that they did steal.

Trump really has presented the problem of what do you do with a President who is probably the greatest single threat the USA faces today. The 25th Amendment is created for this kind of purpose, but will there be enough Republicans in Congress brave enough to invoke it? I have no doubt many of them recognize the threat and go to bed every night deeply frightened of what Trump may do next. But will that fear and internal love of country (and I believe some have that too) make them break with official policy and do something public to fix it?

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Old 15th May 2017, 07:49 PM   #220
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No. Nothing is likely to happen to President Trump. He'll last out his full term.
Unless the House and Senate are turned to Democratic party control in 2018. If that happens, he'll be impeached as soon as the Democrats take over.
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:50 PM   #221
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Unless the House and Senate are turned to Democratic party control in 2018. If that happens, he'll be impeached as soon as the Democrats take over.
The Senate is very unlikely to flip to the Democrats in 2018 and even if it does they would need lots of Republicans to vote to convict him of an impeachment (2/3 of the Senate is needed).
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Old 15th May 2017, 07:58 PM   #222
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It being true makes it true. McMaster is denying something that the WaPo didn't even report.
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At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly,” said Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster.

McMaster later told reporters at the White House, “Other senior officials who were present, including the secretary of state, remember the meeting the same way and have said so. Their on-the-record accounts should outweigh those of anonymous sources. I was in the room, it didn’t happen.”

“This story is false. The president only discussed the common threats that both countries faced,”
added Dina Powell, Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategy, who also attended the meeting.
sounds like a denial denial, you might want to take it up with Vox and their fake ass news.
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sounds like a denial denial, you might want to take it up with Vox and their fake ass news.
Perhaps as has proven true of these "denials" by people paid by Trump to rearrange the facts after the event we will discover the full truth in the next few days.

As to the Secretary of State etc.: "they remember the meeting the same way." Exactly what way was the "way" that they agree on? Do they agree that Trump never said the things that the newspapers never claimed?

TBD: you are smart. You know how conniving people, given a little time, can invent clever wording to deceive our ears but not actually deny the truth (paraphrased from MacBeth). The wording here is very suspicious. We will see for certain very soon.

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The intel that the Idiot-in-Chief gave to the Russians came from an ally. So somewhere in Syria, right now there's a British spy, or a French spy, or a Dutch spy, or ..., who has to fear for their life.
If it's from GCHQ (they have a station on Cyprus) they'll be livid. In concert with the FBI they could ruin Trump's life without breaking sweat.
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So we're faced with three options:

1. Multiple media outlets conspired to fake a story about Donald Trump doing something stupid.
2. Multiple sources within the White House conspired to fake a story to multiple media outlets about Donald Trump doing something stupid.
3. Donald Trump actually did something stupid, likely in an attempt to impress powerful Russian people.
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"I am not a crook."
Political cartoon I saw over the weekend by (Orfan?..LA Times? Not sure if name or publication are correct, but contents are easy to remember.) Trump sits at Oval Office desk and says "I am nyet a crook."
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Political cartoon I saw over the weekend by (Orfan?..LA Times? Not sure if name or publication are correct, but contents are easy to remember.) Trump sits at Oval Office desk and says "I am nyet a crook."
That's a good one.
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Again I ask...
Is this the end?
The ramifications of this incident may well include the premature termination of the Trump Presidency, in my opinion. The combined and interacting ramifications of this last week almost certainly will.
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sounds like a denial denial, you might want to take it up with Vox and their fake ass news.
A real denial would be them outright claiming that your hero did not share with the Russians highly classified info given to the US by an ally. Instead they play word games intended to decieve credulous morons.
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The Senate is very unlikely to flip to the Democrats in 2018 and even if it does they would need lots of Republicans to vote to convict him of an impeachment (2/3 of the Senate is needed).
It's only a 2 seat majority. It could flip. But it's a long way off. It really depends on a lot of things. Mostly it's if people really get sick of it or him. Does Trump's support soften. Are there some real crimes behind this. If actual collusion between Trump and the Russians can be proven not just maybe a single staff member.

I'd bet if you held a secret poll among Republicans Congressmen and Senators if they could send Trump packing 70 to 80 percent of them would do it in a heartbeat. They don't like him. They like having a Republican in the White House. They are just afraid of his base.
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I'm impressed to find a 6-page thread on this that I missed until now, after reading the story pretty early in the afternoon. I just thought, well, that's Trump. Scandal fatigue is setting in. I always knew he was going to blab classified info to impress someone. We really have no way of knowing at present whether any damage was done. I hope what he's doing is at least gradually alarming his Cabinet because those are the guys who have the power to remove him. Whenever he burns a Cabinet member I take heart.

I read somewhere his meetings tend to be packed, instead of handled with a few key staff who can drive the day's agenda forward. So at least a lot of people see him screwing up. As for McMaster and Tillerson, their narrative will be aimed at protecting the president, but privately they may be thinking WTF is this guy doing?! Are they going to follow him of a cliff?

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Yeah, repeatedly posting that obviously false article does not make it true.
While repeatedly posting the denials by three persons, all of whom work for the POTUS and all of whom were appointed by the POTUS,.... now that's confirmation, I tell ya!
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A real denial would be them outright claiming that your hero did not share with the Russians highly classified info given to the US by an ally.
No-one can argue the scenario is not credible. One can easily argue it's predictable, given that something like this has long and often been predicted.

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Instead they play word games intended to decieve credulous morons.
How many minutes of tape have been sacrificed to this affair, one wonders. Not that it matters : the Russians will have their own copy.
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I had that same impulse upon reading it, some masterful tip-toeing around the landmine that was.
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How many minutes of tape have been sacrificed to this affair, one wonders. Not that it matters : the Russians will have their own copy.
I have a feeling it's all digitized and turned into thumb drives, or something more advanced given my tech knowledge is out of date. Maybe it's in The Cloud.
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So we're faced with three options:

1. Multiple media outlets conspired to fake a story about Donald Trump doing something stupid.
2. Multiple sources within the White House conspired to fake a story to multiple media outlets about Donald Trump doing something stupid.
3. Donald Trump actually did something stupid, likely in an attempt to impress powerful Russian people.
Holy ****! Donald Trump did something stupid! You've got him now, progs!
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I read somewhere his meetings tend to be packed, instead of handled with a few key staff who can drive the day's agenda forward. So at least a lot of people see him screwing up.
And of course it leaks. There are clearly multiple sources for this story, all telling a coherent and very credible story.

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As for McMaster and Tillerson, their narrative will be aimed at protecting the president, but privately they make be thinking WTF is this guy doing?! Are they going to follow him of a cliff?
Tillerson's taking him abroad soon, to visit places of interest, meet notable foreigners, and say god only knows what while he's about it. No doubt he's looking forward to the ride.
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If this intelligence leak really happened, Trump committed at least one felony if he did not specifically declassify or clear the Russians to receive it. I'm pretty sure the President just blurting out information is not the same as declassifying it.

Either way, he caused "exceptionally grave damage", as it says on all the materials I have to rebrief on what seems like every six weeks, to our national security. He may not have specifically named "sources and methods", as McMaster's carefully-worded excuse said, but he certainly compromised them. He also caused significant damage to our relationship with the intelligence service of whatever ally furnished us with this information, receiving in return our guarantee we would keep it safe.

I would go to jail for years and years if I did what Trump did. He gets defended by people who wrap themselves in the flag but are absolutely willing to throw their own nation under the bus because it makes libruls mad or some other infantile reason; or gets Congressmen saying it's "concerning" but willing to let the treachery and corruption and incompetence go on as long as it helps them cut taxes for the richest folks, and thus line their own pockets.

Useful idiots, some of them; traitors, the others. The sets intersect - Trump belongs to both.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
I had that same impulse upon reading it, some masterful tip-toeing around the landmine that was.
The pro-Trump TV pundits are claiming they heard Tillerson and McMasters say "the story was false" even when the actual wording was pointed out to them.

"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. Lie la lie...."
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I have a feeling it's all digitized and turned into thumb drives, or something more advanced given my tech knowledge is out of date. Maybe it's in The Cloud.
I like the pre-Neuromancer idiom that's come back recently.

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