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Old 30th July 2018, 04:40 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by ZirconBlue View Post
It's not a question of "moralising", it's knowing when your money is directly going to fund politics. If they agree with your politics, that's great, but, if they are counter to your beliefs, I'm surprised you don't care that you're funding policies you oppose.

I don't care how good something is, if I find out they're using the money I gave them to fund, say, white supremacy groups, I will stop giving them money. They can spend their money how they like, but I'm not going to give them even more money to do so.
My money isn't directly going to fund politics. It's indirectly going to fund politics, and that difference matters.

If I find out my local baker reads books from an author I disagree with, I'm not going to find a new baker because I don't want my money supporting that author. I think what books he reads is none of my business.
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Old 30th July 2018, 04:45 AM   #122
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Originally Posted by Cavemonster View Post
We live in a world where money is power. The power to donate to lobbyists and political campaigns. the power to buy land and change the environment. It goes on and on.

If pro-market boosters are to be believed, we select the world we want by voting with our dollars. If we ignore the externalities of those economic votes and only look at whether we think the pizza is tasty, we're going to get a world we may not like so much.

Obviously we can't track every possible externality of every purchase we make. And it would probably be nearly prohibitively difficult to live life without contributing some money to something ugly. But at the very least when a difference is clear, and the cost of a different decision is low, you're casting a vote.
There's a difference between direct actions that a business takes in doing business and the ways that the owners of that business spend their profits. I'm happy to choose which businesses I frequent based on the negative externalities of their business decisions. If Papa John's treated customers of different races differently I'd certainly think calls to boycott them made sense. But that's very different than the owner being racist.

I think our society is making a big mistake to try to police people's free time with our outrage.
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Old 30th July 2018, 05:24 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by Roboramma View Post
My money isn't directly going to fund politics. It's indirectly going to fund politics, and that difference matters.

If I find out my local baker reads books from an author I disagree with, I'm not going to find a new baker because I don't want my money supporting that author. I think what books he reads is none of my business.
Life's too short to police such trifle things. But would you give business to a company owned by the Koch brothers, knowing that they've been pouring billions of dollars into very-right-wing to extreme-right-wing causes, like the Tea Party?
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Old 30th July 2018, 12:45 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Roboramma View Post
There's a difference between direct actions that a business takes in doing business and the ways that the owners of that business spend their profits. I'm happy to choose which businesses I frequent based on the negative externalities of their business decisions. If Papa John's treated customers of different races differently I'd certainly think calls to boycott them made sense. But that's very different than the owner being racist.

I think our society is making a big mistake to try to police people's free time with our outrage.

If what I want is a Papa John's pizza, then that's what I'd get.

If there is an alternative that is equally appealing then something like this might be enough to swing the choice away from them.

That isn't much in the larger scheme of things.

But the company has to consider that such choices can add up, and weigh that against the benefits of hanging onto that one guy in the face of all the negative publicity. In the larger scheme of things that can matter.

CEO's come and go all the time, for reasons far more trivial. Despite the oversized paychecks they get, they just aren't that irreplaceable.

And I find it hard to shed tears for that CEO. He isn't going to end up on a bread line. (Even though if the company loses enough business some of the employees might.) I see it as part of the responsibility that oversize paycheck carries with it. It falls into the realm of "You had one job to do, man. One job." He made himself the face of the company. One job, and he blew it.
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Old 26th November 2019, 01:53 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
If what I want is a Papa John's pizza, then that's what I'd get.
Or maybe you shouldn't, according to Papa John Schnatter himself. He claims to have had 40 pizzas in 30 days and they just aren't they same without him there to make racist comments.
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Old 28th November 2019, 04:31 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Or maybe you shouldn't, according to Papa John Schnatter himself. He claims to have had 40 pizzas in 30 days and they just aren't they same without him there to make racist comments.

His pizzas have been leavened with the bitter taste of defeat.

To be honest, the chances of my choosing to get a Papa John's pizza are slim anyway. Our Harris Teeter supermarkets sell 16" deluxe pizzas for $8 on "Pizza Mondays". Fresh dough crusts, all fresh toppings, and (as is true with any good pizza place you frequent regularly) once you get to know the people who work the pizza bar they cater to individual tastes as much as they can.

The rest of the week they are $16, but the pie is good, and even at that price they are competitive with the local pizza shops.

Papa John's is low on my list of alternatives.
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