Today's Mass Shooting

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

In my hood we limit access to guns to only those people who have a demonstrated need for them, as far as that is possible. Some still slip through, but we in Australia have nowhere near the amount of gun crime that America has.

I'm not talking about the means, just the indifference to life at the core of these acts. I would think that kind of thinking would manifest in other ways, if such psychos were proportionally represented. Pipe bombs at soccer games and what have you.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Thermal

I'm not talking about the means, just the indifference to life at the core of these acts. I would think that kind of thinking would manifest in other ways, if such psychos were proportionally represented. Pipe bombs at soccer games and what have you.

And yet somehow it doesn't.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

And yet somehow it doesn't.

...which brings it full circle. Unless you are saying psychopaths are inherently...what, lazy?...and will only carry out their killings if it is minimal effort?

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by Thermal

...which brings it full circle. Unless you are saying psychopaths are inherently...what, lazy?...and will only carry out their killings if it is minimal effort?

Maybe it is to do with opportunism. Leave your wallet lying around and it might get stolen. If you keep your wallet in your pocket it doesn’t mean the would-be culprit would resort to robbing banks.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Thermal

...which brings it full circle. Unless you are saying psychopaths are inherently...what, lazy?...and will only carry out their killings if it is minimal effort?

Not so much. Access to guns makes fulfilling extreme urges easier. It's why more suicides are completed by gun than by any other method. You have an impulse, you act on it. If you have to spend the time preparing, you have an opportunity to reconsider. Someone annoys you and you have a gun, you can shoot them. If you have to spend the time to construct a pipe bomb, you have an opportunity to reconsider.

ETA: Of course that doesn't address the elaborately planned shootings, but those constitute a minority even in America.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Maybe it is to do with opportunism. Leave your wallet lying around and it might get stolen. If you keep your wallet in your pocket it doesn’t mean the would-be culprit would resort to robbing banks.

And this, yes.

[quadraginta]

Originally Posted by Thermal

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As I was looking for a news article to link, I saw related stories: 10 shot at football game in Alabama, the Cali shootings two days prior...

I mean wtf? How many psychopaths do we have running around in the States?

Assuming the generally accepted percentage of the population is accurate, that would be somewhere north of three and a quarter million.

Multiply by five if you want to add in sociopaths.

None of that explains why gun deaths are so much more common here, since that percentage is pretty much a constant for other countries as well.

One might almost think there was some other contributing factor.

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by quadraginta

One might almost think there was some other contributing factor.

Video games. Just ask any right-winger, it's always video games. Nothing at all to do with guns, except that there aren't enough of them.

[quadraginta]

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Video games. Just ask any right-winger, it's always video games. Nothing at all to do with guns, except that there aren't enough of them.

All those other countries sure are lucky they don't have any video games.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by quadraginta

Assuming the generally accepted percentage of the population is accurate, that would be somewhere north of three and a quarter million.

Multiply by five if you want to add in sociopaths.

Sociopathy is generally considered to be the same thing as psychopathy, but it depends on who you ask. Some people use the word sociopathy instead of psychopathy, because there can be confusion between psychopathy and psychosis.

[Puppycow]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Sociopathy is generally considered to be the same thing as psychopathy, but it depends on who you ask. Some people use the word sociopathy instead of psychopathy, because there can be confusion between psychopathy and psychosis.

Yeah, until well into adulthood, I didn't really understand the distinction.

Then there's the word "psycho", like the title of that Hitchcock movie Psycho. Does it mean psychopath or psychotic or what? I guess the character in the movie, I'm not sure exactly how one would describe him, but psychopath is probably not the correct diagnosis. He was clearly delusional and perhaps suffered hallucinations, but I'm not sure the movie character is an accurate depiction of any particular kind of mental affliction.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Sociopathy is generally considered to be the same thing as psychopathy, but it depends on who you ask. Some people use the word sociopathy instead of psychopathy, because there can be confusion between psychopathy and psychosis.

One of my wife's colleagues, a practicing psychiatrist in NJ USA, says that he generally uses sociopath for the functional/assimilating type, and psychopath for the non-functional/GTFOOH variety.

[Armitage72]

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Video games. Just ask any right-winger, it's always video games. Nothing at all to do with guns, except that there aren't enough of them.

Except when it was heavy metal music. Or roleplaying games. Or comic books. Or movies. Or pool halls. (Trouble with a capital T and that rhymes with P and that stands for pool)

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by quadraginta

Assuming the generally accepted percentage of the population is accurate, that would be somewhere north of three and a quarter million.

Not the number I was looking for. 'Twelve or so' helps me sleep better.

Quote:

Multiply by five if you want to add in sociopaths.

They don't bother me so much. I believe I am surrounded by them, and your number is low.

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None of that explains why gun deaths are so much more common here, since that percentage is pretty much a constant for other countries as well.

One might almost think there was some other contributing factor.

Use of guns is, I believe, self explanatory. It's the most efficient and available tool. Convenience and all. What struck me was the utter disregard for lives (and for possibility of getting away with it) that a revenge execution at a football game reflects.

[quadraginta]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Sociopathy is generally considered to be the same thing as psychopathy, but it depends on who you ask. Some people use the word sociopathy instead of psychopathy, because there can be confusion between psychopathy and psychosis.

That's why I offered the choice to include them.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Yeah, until well into adulthood, I didn't really understand the distinction.

Then there's the word "psycho", like the title of that Hitchcock movie Psycho. Does it mean psychopath or psychotic or what? I guess the character in the movie, I'm not sure exactly how one would describe him, but psychopath is probably not the correct diagnosis. He was clearly delusional and perhaps suffered hallucinations, but I'm not sure the movie character is an accurate depiction of any particular kind of mental affliction.

I've never seen the movie, but as I understand it the psycho in question believes that he's talking to his mother, which is a hallucination and therefore psychosis is more or less accurate. But I'm hardly going to remote diagnose a movie character when I haven't seen the movie and am not even a mental health professional.

[William Parcher]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I've never seen the movie, but as I understand it the psycho in question believes that he's talking to his mother, which is a hallucination and therefore psychosis is more or less accurate. But I'm hardly going to remote diagnose a movie character when I haven't seen the movie and am not even a mental health professional.

I won't spoil it for you but Norman Bates' mother is not a hallucination. You are somewhat close but still wrong.

ETA: From my armchair I would diagnose him as a psychopath with psychosis.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I've never seen the movie, but as I understand it the psycho in question believes that he's talking to his mother, which is a hallucination and therefore psychosis is more or less accurate. But I'm hardly going to remote diagnose a movie character when I haven't seen the movie and am not even a mental health professional.

Mother is not a hallucination. I will say no more.

William Parcher has faster fingers

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by William Parcher

I won't spoil it for you but Norman Bate's mother is not a hallucination. You are somewhat close but still wrong.

Originally Posted by Steve

Mother is not a hallucination. I will say no more.

Okay, no problem. I don't mind being wrong about a movie I haven't seen, but I am about as likely to watch it as I am to grow wings and fly to Saturn, so I don't mind being spoiled. Is it a dissociative identity?

[William Parcher]

Bates is a psychotic psychopath. If you want to stay alive you do not want to stay at the Bates Motel.

[Steve]

Mother is

dead, but not buried. She inhabits a rocking chair and carries on conversations with Norman

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Steve

Mother is

dead, but not buried. She inhabits a rocking chair and carries on conversations with Norman

But does she really carry on conversations, or does he just think she does?

Because if it's the latter, that could still qualify as psychosis.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

But does she really carry on conversations, or does he just think she does?

Because if it's the latter, that could still qualify as psychosis.

The latter. And I agree.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Steve

The latter. And I agree.

The former would be

necromancy

[Checkmite]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

The former would be

necromancy

or, alternatively,

this person

[Darat]

Are people really using spoiler tags for a movie first released almost 60 years ago and is one of the most famous movies ever made, has been parodied probably more than any other movie in history and subject to more discussion than a narcissist thinks about themselves?

[Dr. Keith]

Originally Posted by Darat

Are people really using spoiler tags for a movie first released almost 60 years ago and is one of the most famous movies ever made, has been parodied probably more than any other movie in history and subject to more discussion than a narcissist thinks about themselves?

Yes

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Darat

Are people really using spoiler tags for a movie first released almost 60 years ago and is one of the most famous movies ever made, has been parodied probably more than any other movie in history and subject to more discussion than a narcissist thinks about themselves?

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Yes

Just making sure.

[Ranb]

Originally Posted by Darat

Are people really using spoiler tags ….

Thank you for the best laugh I've had all day.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Darat

Are people really using spoiler tags for a movie first released almost 60 years ago and is one of the most famous movies ever made, has been parodied probably more than any other movie in history and subject to more discussion than a narcissist thinks about themselves?

Well I didn't know the particular detail that was spoilered, so it's conceivable that someone who actually intends to watch it some day might appreciate the spoiler tags.

[William Parcher]

11 people shot on Canal Street in New Orleans, Louisiana, NOPD says; 2 in critical condition

Originally Posted by NOLA News

Eleven people were shot on Canal Street in New Orleans early Sunday morning, according to New Orleans police. Two are in critical condition, NOPD Supt. Shaun Ferguson said. Earlier, police said there were 10 victims but increased the count by one.

Five victims were taken to University Medical Center and five were taken to Tulane Hospital. One person arrived at an area hospital via a private vehicle.

A person of interest has been detained. Ferguson emphasized it's unclear what involvement -- if any -- the person of interest had in the shooting. As of 6:30 a.m., no arrests have been made.

The gunfire broke out in the 700 block of Canal Street just before 3:30 a.m.

Ferguson said officers were on the scene immediately as patrols were beefed up for the Bayou Classic in town this weekend. He added that officers at first thought they themselves were being fired upon since the shots rang out so close to them.

No police officers were injured, Ferguson said. At least 25 evidence markers were seen on the ground in front of the McDonald’s on Canal Street, between Royal and Bourbon streets...

https://www.nola.com/news/crime_poli...1a9c223b0.html

[mgidm86]

Louisiana has one of the highest shooting rates in the nation year after year, but today, for some reason, we suddenly care.

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/lou...movie-theater/

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Louisiana experienced both the most overall gun deaths per capita and the most gun homicides per capita of any state between 2004 and 2013, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Louisianans were killed by guns at a rate of 18.8 per 100,000 people, a figure nearly twice that of the national average.

More than half of Louisiana’s 8,552 gun deaths over that period were homicides. Its gun homicide rate is more than 2.5 times the national average and approximately 25 percent higher than that of the state with the second-highest rate, Mississippi.

A disproportionate amount of Louisiana’s gun violence occurs in New Orleans, which as recently as 2011 recorded the highest murder rate of any major U.S. city. At least 155 homicides were reported in New Orleans in 2013, representing over 30 percent of the state total, despite the fact that the city accounts for less than 10 percent of the population.

Sorry folks, but if you weren't killed with at least half a dozen other people you just aren't significant. It's not the right type of shooting.

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by mgidm86

Louisiana has one of the highest shooting rates in the nation year after year, but today, for some reason, we suddenly care.

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/lou...movie-theater/




Sorry folks, but if you weren't killed with at least half a dozen other people you just aren't significant. It's not the right type of shooting.

Hey, big numbers count more than little numbers. So eleven shooting victims is more newsworthy than one shooting victim.

Reality is, another eleven shooting victims in the USA, including probably some dead, will have happened before that report goes off the front page of the news websites. You can track them here: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

ETA: 11 deaths, 12 woundings since the New Orleans shooting.

[Hubert Cumberdale]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Not so much. Access to guns makes fulfilling extreme urges easier. It's why more suicides are completed by gun than by any other method. You have an impulse, you act on it. If you have to spend the time preparing, you have an opportunity to reconsider. Someone annoys you and you have a gun, you can shoot them. If you have to spend the time to construct a pipe bomb, you have an opportunity to reconsider.

ETA: Of course that doesn't address the elaborately planned shootings, but those constitute a minority even in America.

As Jim Jefferies says, everyone having a gun was fine when it was only muskets. The best thing about muskets is they give you a lot of time to calm down....

[William Parcher]

I have read 3 dead and 11 injured...

Deadly shooting at Pensacola, Florida naval base

Originally Posted by CNN

There was an active shooter incident at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Pensacola, Florida this morning. The base remains on lockdown. The shooter is confirmed deceased, and two additional fatalities are confirmed. Multiple injured personnel have been transported to local hospitals. We will continue to work closely with law enforcement agencies...

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/pen...ter/index.html

[William Parcher]

Some articles saying that the shooter killed three and he was killed by police. Some are injured including deputies.

[Checkmite]

From CNN just now:

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A member of the Saudi military training at US Naval Air Station in Pensacola is the suspected shooter in today's incident, according to five US defense officials and another person familiar with the investigation.

The investigators are looking into whether it was terror-related, but it is early in the probe.

CNN has reached out to the Saudi embassy in the US and has not heard back.

[JoeMorgue]

And I just watched my entire social media feed, in real time, do a 180 in tone.

[dudalb]

With friends like the Saudis, we sure as hell don't need enemies.

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

And I just watched my entire social media feed, in real time, do a 180 in tone.

Yeah, it will be interesting to see some of the Saudi's big supporters in Washington react to this....