[Ed] Thai Boys Found in Cave After NINE Days. - Page 9

KDLarsen · 10th July 2018, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

About the Australian cave-diving anaesthetist helping with the rescue:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-0...e-says/9957074

He sounds like a real badass.

On that note, something I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere, which leaves me somewhat skeptical if it's true or not: A Danish diver who is involved with the rescue, told Danish media that the boys were lightly sedated, so as to avoid any risk of panic attacks, while still leaving them awake and aware of what was going on around them.

Rolfe · 10th July 2018, 04:27 AM

This is interesting.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wor...-ng-b88889337z

According to this version of events the boys went into the cave by themselves after football practice, and it was only when their parents raised the alarm that the coach went in after them to try to find them and get them out. If that's correct, he must have found them but been unable to get them back before the water rose too high to get back to the entrance.

It seems that the really restricted passages the divers had to go through weren't part of the boys' original expedition, but places they'd squeezed through as the waters rose to try to get away from the flooding.

smartcooky · 10th July 2018, 04:27 AM

Yep. NZ Herald are also reporting that all 12 are out, including the coach

Rolfe · 10th July 2018, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by KDLarsen

On that note, something I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere, which leaves me somewhat skeptical if it's true or not: A Danish diver who is involved with the rescue, told Danish media that the boys were lightly sedated, so as to avoid any risk of panic attacks, while still leaving them awake and aware of what was going on around them.

A spot of valium might not have been a bad idea actually.

Rolfe · 10th July 2018, 04:32 AM

I've seen a tweet saying the doctor and the divers who stayed in the cave are now out too, though I don't know if that's premature.

ETA: Half an hour later the reports are saying they're still waiting for the four rescuers to come out.

lionking · 10th July 2018, 04:34 AM

There was international support, but the Thai authorities have handled this exceptionally well. Bravo.

Sideroxylon · 10th July 2018, 04:34 AM

Fantastic result.

Ethan Thane Athen · 10th July 2018, 04:35 AM

Great news. Well done to all those involved - excellent and (initially) unexpected result.

lionking · 10th July 2018, 04:41 AM

I can't wait to see these boys playing soccer again. And see it I will as cameras will be following these boys for a considerable time now.

And I don't mind them profiting handsomely due to the world-wide uplifting result.

Vixen · 10th July 2018, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

Scuttlebutt here, but with no official word, is that they're going to try for all five of them today.

We're getting a hodgepodge of mixed signals from the various supposedly official communications channels. Someone on the Seal team purportedly told a friend who told a friend that they want to get all five today and would start early. The former governor, now official mouthpiece and nanny, said last night after 9 that preparation for the next phase would be 20 hours. That'd put 'em heading out at five or six p.m. which is ridiculous.

And evidently super-rich famous foreigners are fine with us! Elon Musk was taken in up to chamber 3 yesterday. He donated his mini-sub to them for "future possible use".

It should be noted...

> The Thai press continues to emphasize "The Thai Navy Seal rescue" but without naming names is giving full credit to the help from foreigners. Gov't interviews are even more forthcoming; the press is afraid of its own shadow and makes sure to load Thai credit first. (Jail terms and shut-down papers and radio stations will do that for you, I guess.)
> The English-speaker wasn't native Thai. He grew up in Myanmar and had moved around to a number of schools. Reports now say that it was just the one kid talking to the divers who found them.
> The big story here about them widening the tight channel so divers could get through with tanks (prior to finding the boys) seems to have been made up to cover some dawdling. They are pushing the tanks through that final (coming out; going in it would be "initial") passage. Gossip radio up in Chiang Rai says that's why the Brit divers pushed ahead. They knew from experience that they had to continue exploring while the Seals were busily awaiting instructions.
> Our P.M. went up yesterday to lift spirits but not, they assure us, because he is running for re-election in "the election to be named later". Seems to have backfired. No one covered any of his visit.

What, no credit to POTUS Donald Trump who tweeted he was doing everything to help? (Perhaps he thought they were US SEALS. Doh_!)

theprestige · 10th July 2018, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

I can't wait to see these boys playing soccer again. And see it I will as cameras will be following these boys for a considerable time now.

And I don't mind them profiting handsomely due to the world-wide uplifting result.

I dunno. 15 minutes of fame and all that. The world didn't follow those Chilean miners around.

Vixen · 10th July 2018, 04:58 AM

I for one am looking forward to hearing the children's story.

It's good the coach kept them all together.

But to actually help them through small gaps...?

Well, he is either hero or villain. We'll soon know.

smartcooky · 10th July 2018, 04:58 AM

Interesting comment from CNN newsreader, calling the rescue.."the Apollo 13 of cave rescues"

Vixen · 10th July 2018, 04:59 AM

Must have cost millions.

Rolfe · 10th July 2018, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

I for one am looking forward to hearing the children's story.

It's good the coach kept them all together.

But to actually help them through small gaps...?

Well, he is either hero or villain. We'll soon know.

According to the Australian story he went in to find them after their parents raised the alarm. So if that's true, there isn't any version in which he's the villain.

If that's what happened, Holywood will be wetting itself. They have their ready-made hero.

The Don · 10th July 2018, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

According to the Australian story he went in to find them after their parents raised the alarm. So if that's true, there isn't any version in which he's the villain.

If that's what happened, Holywood will be wetting itself. They have their ready-made hero.

I don't know, he's a bit "ethnic" for current US tastes. Maybe if the film was relocated to the US......

Sideroxylon · 10th July 2018, 05:04 AM

Sad that this cost Saman Kunan his life.

William Parcher · 10th July 2018, 05:15 AM

Why would Musk build and bring a submarine without knowing the exact dimensions and configurations of the narrow rocky pinch points? Why would he do a sub without knowing the heights and weights of the boys?

A couple days ago the media was saying Musk sent some engineers to the cave but not himself. So, now he's there and even went into the cave to Chamber 3?

Cheetah · 10th July 2018, 05:18 AM

Well done.

Pheeeewwwww, that was quite something.

Sideroxylon · 10th July 2018, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

Why would Musk build and bring a submarine without knowing the exact dimensions and configurations of the narrow rocky pinch points? Why would he do a sub without knowing the heights and weights of the boys?

A couple days ago the media was saying Musk sent some engineers to the cave but not himself. So, now he's there and even went into the cave to Chamber 3?

Evidence that he didnt do that research or got it wrong?

Cleon · 10th July 2018, 05:23 AM

They're all out. OMG.

sphenisc · 10th July 2018, 05:25 AM

An amazing achievement of international collaboration and what a wonderful outcome to get the entire team and coach out successfully.

AnonyMoose · 10th July 2018, 05:31 AM

Couldn't have asked for better results. Everyone has made it out safe and sound.

Congrats to all the hardworking heroes who made this possible... these families will be grateful for the rest of their lives.

RIP Saman, your sacrifice was not in vain.

William Parcher · 10th July 2018, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Sherkeu

I SCUBA dive and I have yet to see one used. If you need to talk underwater, it would be essential.

I do wonder how they taught the kids to 'clear' a full face mask. Masks often leak and you lift it and blow out your nose to get the water out. Sometimes I do it on purpose to defog things. This would be pretty simple to teach a kid (for a half mask).
The full face one I imagine is harder to clear and would start to fill up in the exact location where you breathe. Then you'd need to learn to clear that part too. That's scary.

We don't know what equipment was used or how they did it. We could say that 13 non-swimmers were not taught good swimming because there just wasn't enough time and proper conditions for learning. We could say there wasn't enough time to teach good diving and certainly not advanced cave diving.

I think that they taught them only the most rudimentary and necessary things. They learned 10% of what you need to learn to both swim and scuba dive and do it in nasty cave tunnels.

I figure that most of what they we taught was to allow themselves to be "live cargo" being pulled and pushed and guided through it all. You don't need to swim or adjust your buoyancy or anything like that - just don't flail or resist our actions. The rescuers do all the thinking and all the work. The people being rescued are still not swimmers and are still not scuba divers.

dann · 10th July 2018, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

I dunno. 15 minutes of fame and all that. The world didn't follow those Chilean miners around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_33_(film)
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-San-Jose-mine
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...10-chile-mine/
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...ys-sot-vpx.cnn

Dave Rogers · 10th July 2018, 05:39 AM

Magnificent work from a group of brave, determined and, most of all, highly competent rescuers. Really great news.

Dave

Foolmewunz · 10th July 2018, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

This is interesting.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wor...-ng-b88889337z

According to this version of events the boys went into the cave by themselves after football practice, and it was only when their parents raised the alarm that the coach went in after them to try to find them and get them out. If that's correct, he must have found them but been unable to get them back before the water rose too high to get back to the entrance.

It seems that the really restricted passages the divers had to go through weren't part of the boys' original expedition, but places they'd squeezed through as the waters rose to try to get away from the flooding.

Someone's conflated two stories. Ake has been with the players all along. It was the "head coach", Ake's superior, who got the calls from worried parents and left a game to go look and discovered their bikes and backpacks. He's the one who sent out the alarm.

William Parcher · 10th July 2018, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

Ake's superior, who got the calls from worried parents and left a game to go look and discovered their bikes and backpacks. He's the one who sent out the alarm.

But the original press stories said that a park ranger found the bikes outside the cave entrance.

ETA: I seem to recall the story being that the park ranger went by the cave after "park closing time" and all the park visitors were gone except that there are all these bikes parked at the cave. And it had started raining hard.

Foolmewunz · 10th July 2018, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

But the original press stories said that a park ranger found the bikes outside the cave entrance.

Could be. I'm only going by stories repeated from much later in the narrative and they may have embroidered the head coach's role but purportedly he called the park rangers in the version I heard.

There's been so much misinformation out of the authorities that I'm sorta waiting to see thirteen faces waving from hospital gowns before I believe they're out. A lot of that misinformation has been rushed to print in the west, too.

The Don · 10th July 2018, 05:51 AM

President Trump tweets:

Quote:

On behalf of the United States, congratulations to the Thai Navy SEALs and all on the successful rescue of the 12 boys and their coach from the treacherous cave in Thailand. Such a beautiful moment - all freed, great job!

IMO that's a ghost-tweet. Too coherent, too properly capitalised.

alfaniner · 10th July 2018, 06:01 AM

Heavy, heavy sigh of relief. Salute to the Thai Navy Seal who gave his life in this rescue.

Rolfe · 10th July 2018, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

Someone's conflated two stories. Ake has been with the players all along. It was the "head coach", Ake's superior, who got the calls from worried parents and left a game to go look and discovered their bikes and backpacks. He's the one who sent out the alarm.

Ah, that makes sense.

William Parcher · 10th July 2018, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Daily Mail

U.S. billionaire Elon Musk arrived at the Tham Luang cave to deliver a mini-submarine his team built for the rescue - despite it being rendered impractical by the head of the mission...

...Rescue Chief Governor Narongsak Osottanakorn said today that 'although his [Musk's] technology is good and sophisticated it's not practical for this mission.'...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...four-time.html

Bob001 · 10th July 2018, 06:41 AM

Latest reports from Wash Post and NY Times:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...?noredirect=on
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/w...e-updates.html

William Parcher · 10th July 2018, 06:42 AM

Thai Prime Minister is saying that all stories about the boys being sedated are false.

crescent · 10th July 2018, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

More likely we'll see a rushed out flimsy Thai production, then an Aussie version highlighting the Aussie diver's contributions, and Lifetime TV will take twelve dollars from their next Bobby Beat Me But Now I'm Getting Better movie and make a made for tv version.

Originally Posted by Sherkeu

It's a rescue, in a hot sweaty jungle, with swimming, and no one has a character in a bikini?

(Maybe I should be proud of you all!!)

Originally Posted by The Don

I don't know, he's a bit "ethnic" for current US tastes. Maybe if the film was relocated to the US......

The American version:

In which everyone is American, regardless of where in the world the movie takes place. Girls (boys who need to be rescued are not manly enough for American cinema). Cute teenage girls with a pretty female teacher (possibly played by Jessica Chastain), trapped in a cave that somehow does not get them very dirty, except for little smudges of mud that accentuate the cheekbones.

Rescued by macho military guys, aided by uncouth rednecks (coal miners or oil rig roughnecks) who fight the evil government bureaucracy. One of the military guys is the estranged husband/lover of the cute teacher.

Also, there are terrorists, drug smugglers, or the evil sort of environmentalists, or something like that.

The rescue will somehow need to involve shooting things and blowing things up, to the tune of a good Hans Zimmer score.

Rolfe · 10th July 2018, 08:12 AM

Aha! About half an hour ago the Thai Navy posted a picture on Facebook of the last four rescuers out of the caves.

Bob001 · 10th July 2018, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Aha! About half an hour ago the Thai Navy posted a picture on Facebook of the last four rescuers out of the caves.

Now that the crisis is resolved happily, I'd like to know more about how Saman Gunan died. Considering everything else that was accomplished here by so many people, it's hard to understand why he's not going home too. "Ran out of air" isn't enough of an explanation for the death of an ex-Navy SEAL who apparently was placing air tanks. Equipment failure? Disorientation? Injury? Why was he apparently working alone? Etc.

Rolfe · 10th July 2018, 08:23 AM

Yes, that puzzles me too. I was just talking to a work colleague about it. He was a volunteer who was ex-Navy, was he a bit rusty, did he take a risk he shouldn't have taken? It's such a tragedy that takes some of the joy out of the successful rescue.

William Parcher · 10th July 2018, 08:44 AM

Maybe the full explanation of his death won't come because it's about his bad judgements and decisions and cave divers don't do that because you get yourself killed. If so, it also puts light on whoever vetted him as being good to go. Somebody said he was "rusty"?

10th July 2018, 04:22 AM	#321
KDLarsen Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,094	Originally Posted by arthwollipot About the Australian cave-diving anaesthetist helping with the rescue: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-0...e-says/9957074 He sounds like a real badass. On that note, something I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere, which leaves me somewhat skeptical if it's true or not: A Danish diver who is involved with the rescue, told Danish media that the boys were lightly sedated, so as to avoid any risk of panic attacks, while still leaving them awake and aware of what was going on around them.
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10th July 2018, 04:27 AM	#322
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 44,292	This is interesting. https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wor...-ng-b88889337z According to this version of events the boys went into the cave by themselves after football practice, and it was only when their parents raised the alarm that the coach went in after them to try to find them and get them out. If that's correct, he must have found them but been unable to get them back before the water rose too high to get back to the entrance. It seems that the really restricted passages the divers had to go through weren't part of the boys' original expedition, but places they'd squeezed through as the waters rose to try to get away from the flooding.
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10th July 2018, 04:27 AM	#323
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10th July 2018, 04:28 AM	#324
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 44,292	Originally Posted by KDLarsen On that note, something I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere, which leaves me somewhat skeptical if it's true or not: A Danish diver who is involved with the rescue, told Danish media that the boys were lightly sedated, so as to avoid any risk of panic attacks, while still leaving them awake and aware of what was going on around them. A spot of valium might not have been a bad idea actually.
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10th July 2018, 04:32 AM	#325
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 44,292	I've seen a tweet saying the doctor and the divers who stayed in the cave are now out too, though I don't know if that's premature. ETA: Half an hour later the reports are saying they're still waiting for the four rescuers to come out.
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10th July 2018, 04:35 AM	#328
Ethan Thane Athen Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,054	Great news. Well done to all those involved - excellent and (initially) unexpected result.

10th July 2018, 04:41 AM	#329
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 44,730	I can't wait to see these boys playing soccer again. And see it I will as cameras will be following these boys for a considerable time now. And I don't mind them profiting handsomely due to the world-wide uplifting result.
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10th July 2018, 04:51 AM	#330
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 17,571	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz Scuttlebutt here, but with no official word, is that they're going to try for all five of them today. We're getting a hodgepodge of mixed signals from the various supposedly official communications channels. Someone on the Seal team purportedly told a friend who told a friend that they want to get all five today and would start early. The former governor, now official mouthpiece and nanny, said last night after 9 that preparation for the next phase would be 20 hours. That'd put 'em heading out at five or six p.m. which is ridiculous. And evidently super-rich famous foreigners are fine with us! Elon Musk was taken in up to chamber 3 yesterday. He donated his mini-sub to them for "future possible use". It should be noted... > The Thai press continues to emphasize "The Thai Navy Seal rescue" but without naming names is giving full credit to the help from foreigners. Gov't interviews are even more forthcoming; the press is afraid of its own shadow and makes sure to load Thai credit first. (Jail terms and shut-down papers and radio stations will do that for you, I guess.) > The English-speaker wasn't native Thai. He grew up in Myanmar and had moved around to a number of schools. Reports now say that it was just the one kid talking to the divers who found them. > The big story here about them widening the tight channel so divers could get through with tanks (prior to finding the boys) seems to have been made up to cover some dawdling. They are pushing the tanks through that final (coming out; going in it would be "initial") passage. Gossip radio up in Chiang Rai says that's why the Brit divers pushed ahead. They knew from experience that they had to continue exploring while the Seals were busily awaiting instructions. > Our P.M. went up yesterday to lift spirits but not, they assure us, because he is running for re-election in "the election to be named later". Seems to have backfired. No one covered any of his visit. What, no credit to POTUS Donald Trump who tweeted he was doing everything to help? (Perhaps he thought they were US SEALS. Doh_!)
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theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 39,678	Originally Posted by lionking I can't wait to see these boys playing soccer again. And see it I will as cameras will be following these boys for a considerable time now. And I don't mind them profiting handsomely due to the world-wide uplifting result. I dunno. 15 minutes of fame and all that. The world didn't follow those Chilean miners around.

10th July 2018, 04:58 AM	#332
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 17,571	I for one am looking forward to hearing the children's story. It's good the coach kept them all together. But to actually help them through small gaps...? Well, he is either hero or villain. We'll soon know.
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10th July 2018, 05:01 AM	#335
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 44,292	Originally Posted by Vixen I for one am looking forward to hearing the children's story. It's good the coach kept them all together. But to actually help them through small gaps...? Well, he is either hero or villain. We'll soon know. According to the Australian story he went in to find them after their parents raised the alarm. So if that's true, there isn't any version in which he's the villain. If that's what happened, Holywood will be wetting itself. They have their ready-made hero.
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10th July 2018, 05:04 AM	#336
The Don Penultimate Amazing August Co-Pither Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 27,495	Originally Posted by Rolfe According to the Australian story he went in to find them after their parents raised the alarm. So if that's true, there isn't any version in which he's the villain. If that's what happened, Holywood will be wetting itself. They have their ready-made hero. I don't know, he's a bit "ethnic" for current US tastes. Maybe if the film was relocated to the US......

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10th July 2018, 05:15 AM	#338
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10th July 2018, 05:23 AM	#340
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 21,674	Originally Posted by William Parcher Why would Musk build and bring a submarine without knowing the exact dimensions and configurations of the narrow rocky pinch points? Why would he do a sub without knowing the heights and weights of the boys? A couple days ago the media was saying Musk sent some engineers to the cave but not himself. So, now he's there and even went into the cave to Chamber 3? Evidence that he didnt do that research or got it wrong?
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10th July 2018, 05:25 AM	#342
sphenisc Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,974	An amazing achievement of international collaboration and what a wonderful outcome to get the entire team and coach out successfully.
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10th July 2018, 05:31 AM	#343
AnonyMoose Muse Join Date: May 2018 Location: Land of the Frozen Chosen Posts: 613	Couldn't have asked for better results. Everyone has made it out safe and sound. Congrats to all the hardworking heroes who made this possible... these families will be grateful for the rest of their lives. RIP Saman, your sacrifice was not in vain.
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10th July 2018, 05:35 AM	#344
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,641	Originally Posted by Sherkeu I SCUBA dive and I have yet to see one used. If you need to talk underwater, it would be essential. I do wonder how they taught the kids to 'clear' a full face mask. Masks often leak and you lift it and blow out your nose to get the water out. Sometimes I do it on purpose to defog things. This would be pretty simple to teach a kid (for a half mask). The full face one I imagine is harder to clear and would start to fill up in the exact location where you breathe. Then you'd need to learn to clear that part too. That's scary. We don't know what equipment was used or how they did it. We could say that 13 non-swimmers were not taught good swimming because there just wasn't enough time and proper conditions for learning. We could say there wasn't enough time to teach good diving and certainly not advanced cave diving. I think that they taught them only the most rudimentary and necessary things. They learned 10% of what you need to learn to both swim and scuba dive and do it in nasty cave tunnels. I figure that most of what they we taught was to allow themselves to be "live cargo" being pulled and pushed and guided through it all. You don't need to swim or adjust your buoyancy or anything like that - just don't flail or resist our actions. The rescuers do all the thinking and all the work. The people being rescued are still not swimmers and are still not scuba divers.
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10th July 2018, 05:39 AM	#345
dann Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,125	Originally Posted by theprestige I dunno. 15 minutes of fame and all that. The world didn't follow those Chilean miners around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_33_(film) https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-San-Jose-mine https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...10-chile-mine/ https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...ys-sot-vpx.cnn
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10th July 2018, 05:39 AM	#346
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 29,965	Magnificent work from a group of brave, determined and, most of all, highly competent rescuers. Really great news. Dave
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10th July 2018, 05:41 AM	#347
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 41,468	Originally Posted by Rolfe This is interesting. https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wor...-ng-b88889337z According to this version of events the boys went into the cave by themselves after football practice, and it was only when their parents raised the alarm that the coach went in after them to try to find them and get them out. If that's correct, he must have found them but been unable to get them back before the water rose too high to get back to the entrance. It seems that the really restricted passages the divers had to go through weren't part of the boys' original expedition, but places they'd squeezed through as the waters rose to try to get away from the flooding. Someone's conflated two stories. Ake has been with the players all along. It was the "head coach", Ake's superior, who got the calls from worried parents and left a game to go look and discovered their bikes and backpacks. He's the one who sent out the alarm.
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10th July 2018, 05:45 AM	#348
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,641	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz Ake's superior, who got the calls from worried parents and left a game to go look and discovered their bikes and backpacks. He's the one who sent out the alarm. But the original press stories said that a park ranger found the bikes outside the cave entrance. ETA: I seem to recall the story being that the park ranger went by the cave after "park closing time" and all the park visitors were gone except that there are all these bikes parked at the cave. And it had started raining hard.
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10th July 2018, 05:50 AM	#349
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader TLA Dictator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 41,468	Originally Posted by William Parcher But the original press stories said that a park ranger found the bikes outside the cave entrance. Could be. I'm only going by stories repeated from much later in the narrative and they may have embroidered the head coach's role but purportedly he called the park rangers in the version I heard. There's been so much misinformation out of the authorities that I'm sorta waiting to see thirteen faces waving from hospital gowns before I believe they're out. A lot of that misinformation has been rushed to print in the west, too.
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10th July 2018, 05:51 AM	#350
The Don Penultimate Amazing August Co-Pither Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 27,495	President Trump tweets: Quote: On behalf of the United States, congratulations to the Thai Navy SEALs and all on the successful rescue of the 12 boys and their coach from the treacherous cave in Thailand. Such a beautiful moment - all freed, great job! IMO that's a ghost-tweet. Too coherent, too properly capitalised.

10th July 2018, 06:01 AM	#351
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 21,014	Heavy, heavy sigh of relief. Salute to the Thai Navy Seal who gave his life in this rescue.
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10th July 2018, 06:05 AM	#352
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 44,292	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz Someone's conflated two stories. Ake has been with the players all along. It was the "head coach", Ake's superior, who got the calls from worried parents and left a game to go look and discovered their bikes and backpacks. He's the one who sent out the alarm. Ah, that makes sense.
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10th July 2018, 06:20 AM	#353
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,641	Originally Posted by Daily Mail U.S. billionaire Elon Musk arrived at the Tham Luang cave to deliver a mini-submarine his team built for the rescue - despite it being rendered impractical by the head of the mission... ...Rescue Chief Governor Narongsak Osottanakorn said today that 'although his [Musk's] technology is good and sophisticated it's not practical for this mission.'... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...four-time.html
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10th July 2018, 06:41 AM	#354
Bob001 Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,405	Latest reports from Wash Post and NY Times: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...?noredirect=on https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/w...e-updates.html
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10th July 2018, 06:42 AM	#355
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,641	Thai Prime Minister is saying that all stories about the boys being sedated are false.
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