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Old 14th July 2018, 07:34 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
Why should i be bothered to show people on a random internet forum contrition?
I think the assembled company thinks it might help you grow as a person, realise that you acted like a dickhead and perhaps resolve not to be such a dickhead in future.

We're not really worried for your immortal soul, we'd just like the world to be a teeny, tiny bit nicer as a result of having one fewer person in it prepared to **** up someone else's day just for a bubble.




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If I owe anything to anyone, it would be the guy whose pizza got olives on it, but since he clearly died from olive allergy heart explosion syndrome, I consider the matter closed.

But it seems we've failed.
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Old 14th July 2018, 08:08 AM   #82
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Pterodactyl, what did you expect would happen, when you told us that story? Were we supposed to see the humor in it and congratulate you on the cleverness of your prank?
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Old 14th July 2018, 09:54 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
If I owe anything to anyone, it would be the guy whose pizza got olives on it, but since he clearly died from olive allergy heart explosion syndrome, I consider the matter closed.
Sadly, you’re giving the impression of being one of those individuals who doesn’t believe allergies are real. It would likely take you having to call emergency when a loved one can’t breathe or is swelling up before you don’t think it’s a joke.

Reminds me of the “prank” some college kids pulled when they smeared peanut butter on their “friend” with an allergy. LOLZ!!!

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...as-just-a-joke

A real knee slapper! Sadly it’s a fairly common prank.

I have no idea if there is an olive allergy or not. Really wasn’t my point, other than to say if the customer was that emphatic, there may have been a reason beyond olives being disgusting. I do know I had never heard of my sons allergy until after we had taken him to ER and followed up with an allergist. I also know that when I’m trying to get him something at a restaurant, not many people have heard of it either. However, most people take it seriously. There is still a fear of running into an idiot who wants to prove us wrong.
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Old 14th July 2018, 11:34 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Domino's founder is, of course, a right wing loon himself, of the sort for whom the Pope is insufficiently Catholic.
Ugh!
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Old 14th July 2018, 11:49 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Yes, but he seems to be able to keep it under control enough so he doesn't alienate the pizza buying public. I live in a neighborhood that would despise Monaghan if they put in the energy to find out about him. However, I still see lots of Domino's cars in the evenings.
I don't think he's had much, if anything, to do with the company in quite a long while.
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Old 14th July 2018, 12:28 PM   #86
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... I think I'm done with this and anyone else can have the last word on it...

Perhaps it's a Bigfoot thread participant thing?
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Old 14th July 2018, 01:29 PM   #87
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Pterodactyl, what did you expect would happen, when you told us that story? Were we supposed to see the humor in it and congratulate you on the cleverness of your prank?

No, we're supposed to learn how to get free olives on our pizzas.

If you tried to actually order "olive slices carefully hidden under each piece of pepperoni" you'd have to pay extra for it, if they were even willing to do it at all.

ETA: Maybe I'll see if this can work in a bar. "I'd like an empty shot glass, please. Whatever you do, don't put any 16 year old single malt in it. Especially not an Islay, I can't stand those."
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Old 14th July 2018, 04:02 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
No, we're supposed to learn how to get free olives on our pizzas.

If you tried to actually order "olive slices carefully hidden under each piece of pepperoni" you'd have to pay extra for it, if they were even willing to do it at all.

ETA: Maybe I'll see if this can work in a bar. "I'd like an empty shot glass, please. Whatever you do, don't put any 16 year old single malt in it. Especially not an Islay, I can't stand those."
If that works I will be the first to call pterodactyl my lord and saviour. Until then he is being a bigger jerk than the guy ordering the pizza.
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Old 14th July 2018, 04:11 PM   #89
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Ugh!
How dare a devoutly religious person run a business!
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Old 14th July 2018, 04:12 PM   #90
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No, we're supposed to learn how to get free olives on our pizzas.

If you tried to actually order "olive slices carefully hidden under each piece of pepperoni" you'd have to pay extra for it, if they were even willing to do it at all.

ETA: Maybe I'll see if this can work in a bar. "I'd like an empty shot glass, please. Whatever you do, don't put any 16 year old single malt in it. Especially not an Islay, I can't stand those."
Well, I can't deny you are a man of taste, at least.
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Old 14th July 2018, 05:24 PM   #91
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Monaghan, Papa John, Herman Cain ... do pizza chains attract conservatives or is it the other way around? I can enjoy the stuff they serve at high schools (e.g. Little Caesar's), so, not a snob here. But I'd like a slight upgrade. Pizza Hut give me indigestion. I've gotten used to the sweet taste of Papa John's, but it also seems to be about half crust.

I'm going to audition some standalone places in the immediate area on the theory that there might be little-known gems nearby. But really, it's kind of a crappy neighborhood.
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Old 14th July 2018, 07:08 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
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I'm going to audition some standalone places in the immediate area on the theory that there might be little-known gems nearby. But really, it's kind of a crappy neighborhood.

That's exactly the kind of neighborhood to find a really good, family owned and operated pizzeria.

Dingy, run-down strip malls are a good sign, too.
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Originally Posted by Roboramma View Post
I think that the reason you've been getting so many negative comments is that you say "Dude was a grade A jerk" but you haven't actually said anything jerky that he did except stress that he didn't want olives. Which doesn't seem to be much a jerk move and certainly doesn't merit giving him olives.

Apparently, "this a-hole dude" CAPITALIZED:

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One time this a-hole dude called in an order for a pepperoni pizza "with NO OLIVES! I absolutely HATE OLIVES. DO NOT PUT ANY OLIVES ON MY PIZZA"
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Of course we carefully hid a sliced olive or two underneath every pepperoni. heh.
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I am saying I still laugh when I think about it though. Dude was a grade A jerk..
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Introspection over putting olives on a pizza when I was 16. Got it.

And how old are you now?!

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I have no idea if there is an olive allergy or just a general revulsion.

It’s not nearly as common as olive pollen allergy, but but it’s there.
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Old 14th July 2018, 09:27 PM   #94
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Dingy, run-down strip malls are a good sign, too.
I tried one tonight and it was pretty good, but it had the opposite problem from Papa John's - strong toppings threatened to undermine a decent crust.

Pizza seems to regress to the mean due to its strong association with comfort/party food. Gourmet mustard took off, but not gourmet ketchup, because people want ketchup to taste pretty much the same everywhere; that's what ketchup is for.

ETA: I deduced it had to be in a certain strip mall based on land-use patterns in my city. It still took 2 passes to find, after I had already looked it up, gotten directions etc. from home. I did not have my phone with me. I never would have found it if not for the fact that I expected it to be in a certain strip mall.

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Old 14th July 2018, 10:09 PM   #95
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I think the assembled company thinks it might help you grow as a person, realise that you acted like a dickhead and perhaps resolve not to be such a dickhead in future.
I'm skeptical.

I think the assembled company look for any excuse to signal virtue, and you see it over and over in threads. It's a pathetic cry for attention really, this new internet fascism. Find some perceived moral lapse, no matter how small, and use it as an excuse to insult or degrade another thereby making yourselves look better. Like the fit people who humblebrag posts in the weight loss threads. It's a lame, obvious and transparent attempt to feel superior.

This is also religious behavior. Decry the moral failings of others and demand the contrition of people who owe you nothing.

Let's be honest. You all don't give a damn if I grow as a person, and I don't care if you die in a fire tomorrow. Because we don't know each other. This site is good for a few things, but regular, human conversation isn't one of them. It's too laden with superficial and insecure phonies. Can't discuss a dumb prank from 20+ years ago without the righteous going on the attack. Is this how you people communicate in social settings? I bet that's great fun at parties.

Anyway, I still don't care, but let's see how long we can string out the faux outrage with references to statistically insignificant, but technically possible food allergies, and the innate evil it requires to put olives on a pizza. Im genuinely curious if this stems from boredom or insecurity.

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Old 14th July 2018, 10:23 PM   #96
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
This site is good for a few things, but regular, human conversation isn't one of them. It's too laden with superficial and insecure phonies. Can't discuss a dumb prank from 20+ years ago without the righteous going on the attack.
You do realize that your story described a self-righteous act against an "a-hole dude" who deserved it because he was a "grade A jerk", right?

I'm sure nobody intends to berate you over the situation every time you make an appearance on the forum. Just think of the statements of disapproval as little olives passive-aggressively hidden beneath the pepperoni of this particular thread.
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Pterodactyl, I think it's really just "Someone's wrong on the internet". You're clearly wrong and won't admit it, so people keep saying that you're wrong. The more you dig your heels in the more people will want to argue with you about it.
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
...One time this a-hole dude called in an order for a pepperoni pizza "with NO OLIVES! I absolutely HATE OLIVES. DO NOT PUT ANY OLIVES ON MY PIZZA"

Of course we carefully hid a sliced olive or two underneath every pepperoni. heh.
Good thing he didn't ask you not to spit on it. Now that would have been an opening for some REALLY funny hijinks.
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Old 15th July 2018, 06:40 AM   #99
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
I'm skeptical.
Colour me surprised...
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
I'm skeptical.

I think the assembled company look for any excuse to signal virtue, and you see it over and over in threads. It's a pathetic cry for attention really, this new internet fascism. Find some perceived moral lapse, no matter how small, and use it as an excuse to insult or degrade another thereby making yourselves look better. Like the fit people who humblebrag posts in the weight loss threads. It's a lame, obvious and transparent attempt to feel superior.

This is also religious behavior. Decry the moral failings of others and demand the contrition of people who owe you nothing.

Let's be honest. You all don't give a damn if I grow as a person, and I don't care if you die in a fire tomorrow. Because we don't know each other. This site is good for a few things, but regular, human conversation isn't one of them. It's too laden with superficial and insecure phonies. Can't discuss a dumb prank from 20+ years ago without the righteous going on the attack. Is this how you people communicate in social settings? I bet that's great fun at parties.

Anyway, I still don't care, but let's see how long we can string out the faux outrage with references to statistically insignificant, but technically possible food allergies, and the innate evil it requires to put olives on a pizza. Im genuinely curious if this stems from boredom or insecurity.
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
Nah. Im not saying I was right to hide olives under this man's pepperonis.
I am saying I still laugh when I think about it though. Dude was a grade A jerk.

I would apologize but I dont care.
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Ex-Papa John's-CEO Schnatter said in a radio interview that a marketing firm pressured him to use the n-word during the conference call and he felt very uncomfortable about doing it.

Which is a highly interesting abdication of responsibility, firstly because it seems very interesting that a marketing agency would be counseling on language use during an in-company executive conference call about a subject that is not related to marketing; and also because a marketing agency that thinks a white man using the n-word in literally any situation whatsoever would be a good idea must be the worst marketing agency that ever existed.
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He has mentioned the idea that some or all of those were eaten with the person not realizing that the pattie is missing.

It was the drive-thru. How would he know that?

I mean, sure, that idea makes it funny, but it's a complete fantasy. The same way a black man being dragged behind a truck might be found funny if you imagine that the black man is comically unaware of his predicament.

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It was the drive-thru. How would he know that?

I mean, sure, that idea makes it funny, but it's a complete fantasy. The same way a black man being dragged behind a truck might be found funny if you imagine that the black man is comically unaware of his predicament.
WTF?
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WTF?

Exactly.
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Most people who have a bad eating or retail experience don't complain. They just never return. Although they'll probably tell other people the story every time that restaurant or business is mentioned. For years.
That used to be the case, before the Yelp generation.
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I saw another couple of stories recently about people who had to apologize for making racist comments once upon a time, or a fellow whose job was on the line because he said nice things about a conservative, or on and on about people being judged for offhand remarks, or for offensive opinions.

I don't think I have ever had a Papa John's pizza in my life, but the more of these stories I see, the more I think that I wouldn't care if the CEO were Grand Dragon of the KKK. If he makes good pizza, I'll eat it.

I haven't had Dominos in a long time, but I don't care that it's run by a right wing loon. I don't like Chick-Fil-A, so I wouldn't eat it regardless of whether or not gay people can get married. If I ever find out that the CEO of Popeye's once made a clumsy advance on a woman who clearly showed body language that indicated her discomfort, I'll still order the spicy chicken with Cajun rice.

I'm not voting for these people. I'm just eating their food, or watching their movies, or whatever. If they break the law, sue them or throw them in jail as appropriate, but if they happen to be idiots who have outdated ideas about how the way the world works, please make mine with garlic crust.
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You're not voting for them. You're just lining their pockets so that they can treat people like garbage without consequence and fund evil.

It may be impossible to completely avoid lining the pockets of terrible people, but there are occasions when it's easy to do so.
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In my opinion there's just too much good pizza out there to say I'd be limiting myself or depriving myself of something good by not patronizing businesses like Schnatter's.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Ex-Papa John's-CEO Schnatter said in a radio interview that a marketing firm pressured him to use the n-word during the conference call and he felt very uncomfortable about doing it.

Which is a highly interesting abdication of responsibility, firstly because it seems very interesting that a marketing agency would be counseling on language use during an in-company executive conference call about a subject that is not related to marketing; and also because a marketing agency that thinks a white man using the n-word in literally any situation whatsoever would be a good idea must be the worst marketing agency that ever existed.
A “marketing firm.” God in heaven, it’s pizza.
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A “marketing firm.” God in heaven, it’s pizza.
You don't think marketing matters for pizza? Ask Dominos. Their "our pizza sucks" campaign was one of tbe most successful marketing campaigns of all time.

Personally, I don't like their new pizza, either, but they've sold a lot more.
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Oh, I understand - I once had a career in advertising. Perhaps that’s why the thought of meeting rooms and consultants and PowerPoints for such blandly nondescript product/merchandise as pizza or jeans or bottled water just makes me tired.


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I'm not voting for these people. I'm just eating their food, or watching their movies, or whatever. If they break the law, sue them or throw them in jail as appropriate, but if they happen to be idiots who have outdated ideas about how the way the world works, please make mine with garlic crust.
You do understand that any profits they get from your purchase are directly funding political campaigns, right? So, in effect, you are voting for them -- or, at least people who think like them.
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Old 27th July 2018, 06:40 PM   #114
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Originally Posted by ZirconBlue View Post
You do understand that any profits they get from your purchase are directly funding political campaigns, right? So, in effect, you are voting for them -- or, at least people who think like them.
I'll balance it out by continuing to buy from Amazon, which helps fund the Washington Post.

Garlic crust, please.
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Originally Posted by ZirconBlue View Post
You do understand that any profits they get from your purchase are directly funding political campaigns, right?
How they spend their money is their own business. When I buy someone's products or services I'm concerned with the quality (and price) of those things. I'm not interesting in moralising about other people's personal decisions.
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Originally Posted by Roboramma View Post
How they spend their money is their own business. When I buy someone's products or services I'm concerned with the quality (and price) of those things. I'm not interesting in moralising about other people's personal decisions.
It's not a question of "moralising", it's knowing when your money is directly going to fund politics. If they agree with your politics, that's great, but, if they are counter to your beliefs, I'm surprised you don't care that you're funding policies you oppose.

I don't care how good something is, if I find out they're using the money I gave them to fund, say, white supremacy groups, I will stop giving them money. They can spend their money how they like, but I'm not going to give them even more money to do so.
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
Classic example of the unrelenting internet morality police phenomenon at play here.
How many Hail Marys until I attain internet forgiveness?
1 trillion! I can also infer from your posts that you lack any sort of empathy and would score a clean 40/40 on the Psychopathy Checklist!
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We live in a world where money is power. The power to donate to lobbyists and political campaigns. the power to buy land and change the environment. It goes on and on.

If pro-market boosters are to be believed, we select the world we want by voting with our dollars. If we ignore the externalities of those economic votes and only look at whether we think the pizza is tasty, we're going to get a world we may not like so much.

Obviously we can't track every possible externality of every purchase we make. And it would probably be nearly prohibitively difficult to live life without contributing some money to something ugly. But at the very least when a difference is clear, and the cost of a different decision is low, you're casting a vote.
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Originally Posted by Cavemonster View Post
If pro-market boosters are to be believed, we select the world we want by voting with our dollars. If we ignore the externalities of those economic votes and only look at whether we think the pizza is tasty, we're going to get a world we may not like so much.
I said earlier that I wouldn't care if he was head of the KKK. In reality, if that were actually the case, I might have pause about buying the pizza.

But, a guy who said the N-word? Garlic crust, please.


The thing is, I have decided we already live in a world I don't like so much, and the thing I don't like is that someone can have a career ending move just because of one unpopular statement. One mildly racist comment. One clumsy advance on a woman. One tasteless joke, and suddenly the interwebz light up with demands for your head, and your program, or business, or whatever is done.

I'm more in favor of a style of freedom of speech that goes beyond prohibition of government censorship. I have decided that I will not participate in private sector censorship, either.
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The thing is, I have decided we already live in a world I don't like so much, and the thing I don't like is that someone can have a career ending move just because of one unpopular statement. One mildly racist comment. One clumsy advance on a woman. One tasteless joke, and suddenly the interwebz light up with demands for your head, and your program, or business, or whatever is done.

I'm more in favor of a style of freedom of speech that goes beyond prohibition of government censorship. I have decided that I will not participate in private sector censorship, either.
I'm not in too much disagreement with you. My post was more in response to the general sentiment that Roborama expressed.

On a broader point, I think we've become addicted to being outraged and get a dopamine hit from it. Minor boycotts and demanded firings can be just an expression of that juiced rage.

I have no problem though, with companies firing their employees who do stupid things that make the company look bad. I have no qualms with ABC firing Roseanne. She's made a lot of money over the years, so I'm not crying for her financial well-being, and I don't think the world was robbed of any great piece of art.

And Papa John, I think in the end, the issue was less that he had to be punished for one utterance, than a case where he's been saying things that piss of large swathes of potential customers for years and this was a camel that broke the board's back. And I don't begrudge them managing their brand that way.
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