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Old 7th June 2019, 03:37 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
Does it ever occur to you that you're being told where to look? No?

A couple of women get beaten up, OK, pretty unpleasant, but why is it front-page news?

Oh, I see .....
Was it on a front page?
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:37 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
Does it ever occur to you that you're being told where to look? No?

A couple of women get beaten up, OK, pretty unpleasant, but why is it front-page news?

Oh, I see .....
Because an attack like this is thankfully rare?
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:40 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
A couple of women get beaten up, OK, pretty unpleasant, but why is it front-page news?
Why shouldn't it be?
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:41 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by sadhatter View Post
Because an attack like this is thankfully rare?
Beatings and robberies in London are rare?
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:44 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Was it on a front page?
There's an interesting question.

In the internet age, where a news website's "front page" contains dozens of stories and links to many more, does "front page" really mean what it did in the paper age?
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:46 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Why shouldn't it be?
There have been 49 murders in London in 2019 so far. There were 119 in 2018. Every one of them on the national front pages ... not.
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:47 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
Wow!

Are you actually blaming the victims of the crime for the crime itself?
Can't believe you've never seen a Cain post before.

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Well if his post was a joke of some sort, then it was a joke in very poor taste.
Speak for yourself. I thought it was funny.
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:48 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
IT'S FUNNY, GET IT HA HA HA

He's saying jerkish things but if that makes you think he's a jerk, that's just you being stupid and falling for it because that's what he WANTED you to think all along! The only way not to be a loser is to let his jerky statements stand without any reaction whatsoever!
MUST. BE. OUTRAGED!
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:48 PM   #89
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
There's an interesting question.

In the internet age, where a news website's "front page" contains dozens of stories and links to many more, does "front page" really mean what it did in the paper age?
OK, how about "leading story on the national TV news"?
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:49 PM   #90
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This is pretty normal in reporting. You can have a video which blatantly shows person A attaching person B and person A is still the suspect and they are still arrested on suspicion. I believe that this is in keeping with legal definitions.
I won't argue against that.

It could also be true that they haven't decided who to charge with what. Not that the women would be charged with anything, but instead are all the guys being equally charged or is there varying responsibility among them? Maybe the video isn't clear enough to show everyone and all of their actions. Maybe they never see what happened with the bag and phone.
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:51 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
OK then.

Thanks much for the clarification.

Perhaps if you and/or 'Cain' were badly beaten and robbed, then you would find that to be most amusing as well.
I'm sorry, are the two victims of this crime participating in this thread, or are you just getting offended on their behalf?

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If you're tired of me complaining about it, ignore me. You can ignore me in perfect 1:1 ratio of me ignoring them.

And yes that will be my response every time someone tells me to ignore a troll.
Oh, come on. Cain was making a joke. So you didn't get the joke. Move on.
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:51 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Was it on a front page?
For a period of time it was front top on the Daily Mail website.
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:51 PM   #93
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
Beatings and robberies in London are rare?
Define rare.

I clock not rare as something that happens to, let's say 15-20 percent of the population on a daily basis.

If 15 per cent of the population of London is getting gang beaten on a daily basis then I redouble my stance that they need to relax their laws on civilian weapon ownership.
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:57 PM   #94
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
OK, how about "leading story on the national TV news"?
It has many factors even a normal violent attack doesn't.

1. Perpetrators are young.
2. It was the result of a strange demand.
3. It was a hate crime.
4. The victims were photogenic but also obviously severely harmed.

Do you understand how news outlets pick which stories to run? And that being different from the norm, especially if violence is involved is headline gold?

Man murders wife. Is something everyone has heard before.

Teens try to force women to make out, then beat and Rob them, can't think of the last time that happened myself.
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Old 7th June 2019, 03:59 PM   #95
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Originally Posted by sadhatter View Post
Define rare.

I clock not rare as something that happens to, let's say 15-20 percent of the population on a daily basis.

If 15 per cent of the population of London is getting gang beaten on a daily basis then I redouble my stance that they need to relax their laws on civilian weapon ownership.
Heh. The basic problem is that London is becoming more and more lawless, provably. This is generally attributed (correctly, IMO) to under-funding and under-manning od the police over the past few years. My suspicion is that it's deliberate, 'problem-reaction-solution'. Coming soon - a massive recruitment drive for Greater London police officers, with particular attention paid to "ethnic representation". ETA>> this may be presented as "radical restructuring".
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Old 7th June 2019, 04:17 PM   #96
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What stories fill the landing frame/"above the fold" on a news website is driven by how much interest that story is generating.

In a lot of organizations that may also be a big factor in what goes in the broadcast segments ("blocks").

No nefarious "we're being told what to pay attention to" necessary.
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Old 7th June 2019, 04:29 PM   #97
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Heh. The basic problem is that London is becoming more and more lawless, provably...(snip)...Coming soon - a massive recruitment drive for Greater London police officers, with particular attention paid to "ethnic representation". ETA>> this may be presented as "radical restructuring".
...and the player shows his hand.
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Old 7th June 2019, 04:34 PM   #98
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This is how porn harms women. Lesbians exist for men's entertainment.
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Old 7th June 2019, 04:46 PM   #99
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...and the player shows his hand.
Nothing eludes a Skeptic such as yourself for long, eh? Mind like steel trap - formidable.
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Old 7th June 2019, 04:47 PM   #100
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
IT'S FUNNY, GET IT HA HA HA

He's saying jerkish things but if that makes you think he's a jerk, that's just you being stupid and falling for it because that's what he WANTED you to think all along! The only way not to be a loser is to let his jerky statements stand without any reaction whatsoever!
I've devised a different solution.
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The initial description of the Smollett attack sounded like a hoax right away. This one does not. The only somewhat questionable element is the claim that the guys threw coins. Presumably this was some childish form of "payment" to get them to kiss. It's somewhat odd because it wouldn't be typical for robbers to throw money at a person that they plan to steal from. Maybe the decision to rob wasn't the initial intent and instead it was just to harass and verbally torment.
They are a legal and effective anti personal weapon for causing non lethal pain.
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Old 7th June 2019, 04:51 PM   #102
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This is how porn harms women. Lesbians exist for men's entertainment.
This is how [insert genre] harms [insert entity or group]. [Generalised entity or group] exist for [generalised entity's or group's] [emotional response].

Yup its everything elses fault except for the perps.
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Old 7th June 2019, 05:12 PM   #103
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There have been 49 murders in London in 2019 so far. There were 119 in 2018. Every one of them on the national front pages ... not.
Was there a murder that should have been on yesterday's "national front pages" but wasn't because this story was there instead?
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This is how porn harms women. Lesbians exist for men's entertainment.
Porn didn't cause this. Four individuals did.

Also, there are some women who like to view porn (it isn't solely "men's entertainment" if there are women who watch it too). In the most patriarchal religiously conservative, anti-woman societies, like Saudi Arabia, porn is illegal. If porn caused violence against women, you would think it would go up after the internet was invented, but it hasn't.
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Can't believe you've never seen a Cain post before.



Speak for yourself. I thought it was funny.
I've seen many Cain posts and thought they were funny. This one wasn't.
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London lesbians beaten for not kissing

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Did you just spend the better part of a whole thread arguing over a sarcastic remark from a poster known to post sarcastic remarks? Should I refrain from posting Onion articles lest someone take them litterally and be offended by them?

I'm not mind reader, but I read Cain's posts as snide jabs at... shall I say less mature and civilised posters, the same way someone could write "inb4 some goon saying they should just have kissed".

When I was active on Twitter, whenever someone posted something negative about Trump, us Trump opponents would mockingly write "butheremails!!" to spite Trump supporters who used this stupid whataboutism for the longest time.

eta: wow, JihadJane is still here.
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It has many factors even a normal violent attack doesn't.

1. Perpetrators are young.
2. It was the result of a strange demand.
3. It was a hate crime.
4. The victims were photogenic but also obviously severely harmed.

Do you understand how news outlets pick which stories to run
? And that being different from the norm, especially if violence is involved is headline gold?

Man murders wife. Is something everyone has heard before.

Teens try to force women to make out, then beat and Rob them, can't think of the last time that happened myself.
I can help with this one...

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...and the player shows his hand.
Are we going to have another 8 page thread of London natives refuting No-Go zone claims again?
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I think he is blaming you for not understanding his posting style.
I think Cain is trying to completely embrace the sentence in his signature line and continue to ensure that anything he says is irrelevant.
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Does it ever occur to you that you're being told where to look? No?

A couple of women get beaten up, OK, pretty unpleasant, but why is it front-page news?

Oh, I see .....
Hey, you're not giving it a chance! What if we find out the perps were three black guys and a Moroccan? Now, that'd be newsworthy, eh?
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Maybe it's just me, but the woman on the left looks like how Gwyneth Paltrow should look.

Oooh! Edgy!
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Nothing eludes a Skeptic such as yourself for long, eh? Mind like steel trap - formidable.
Cool. Must be fun hating those not like you.
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It is obviously an extremely ugly disgusting act, but if they culprits were 15/16 year olds I don't think we should really worry about a plague of this yet.
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
Heh. The basic problem is that London is becoming more and more lawless, provably. This is generally attributed (correctly, IMO) to under-funding and under-manning od the police over the past few years. My suspicion is that it's deliberate, 'problem-reaction-solution'. Coming soon - a massive recruitment drive for Greater London police officers, with particular attention paid to "ethnic representation". ETA>> this may be presented as "radical restructuring".
Yes it is and yes it is related to "austerity" but you need to keep it in perspective, we are seeing rates of say murder we haven't seen for 10 or 12 years. So for example London is still "safer" than when I lived in London.
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Why is that? What is Ryanair anyway? An airline, I gather, but is there something particularly objectionable about this airline?
Yes, a cheap airline that does every trick to make you pay extra. Most companies charge a booking fee for paying using a credit card justifiable because they are charged. Ryan air use to charge a fee for every individual on the booking and every leg not just the one payment.

And yes because that could have been me and my girlfriend on a night bus I was very upset by it.
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One small point of curiosity. If those are the "after" pictures, where is all that blood likely to have come from? Nasal bleeding?

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One thing I am curious about is the strange reference I've read about her not knowing how her girlfriend or herself got into a fight And I do think it makes a difference. I've been subject to such public attacks in the past so I know how terrible it can be but if one of the females threw the first punch then my view of the incident changes. Hopefully there will be clear evidence that the yobos started the fight.
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One thing I am curious about is the strange reference I've read about her not knowing how her girlfriend or herself got into a fight And I do think it makes a difference. I've been subject to such public attacks in the past so I know how terrible it can be but if one of the females threw the first punch then my view of the incident changes. Hopefully there will be clear evidence that the yobos started the fight.
Concussions have been known to cause memory loss.
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One thing I am curious about is the strange reference I've read about her not knowing how her girlfriend or herself got into a fight And I do think it makes a difference. I've been subject to such public attacks in the past so I know how terrible it can be but if one of the females threw the first punch then my view of the incident changes. Hopefully there will be clear evidence that the yobos started the fight.

Call me old fashioned and blame my dead mother and father for it, but unless they smashed their own bodies around to cause the blood, dudes don't hit chicks.
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I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.

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