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Old 10th June 2019, 08:43 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Were you under the mistaken belief that multiculturalism might serve as a kind of protection against such barbarity?
I wasn't, considering that it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
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Old 10th June 2019, 01:01 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
This is a group of 15-18 year olds. Young men who have so far failed to grow the hell up, have no idea how to behave in a civilised manner and certainly have no idea how to behave themselves while drunk.

Having reached adolescence, they transition clumsily from an age where they were uninterested in girls and everything was about status among other boys and showing no weakness and picking on and bullying anyone who did, they suddenly find they are interested in girls but have no idea how to talk to them or treat anyone any differently or any better than the other boys they contend with for status.

People learn how to behave from their parents, society, and peers. If 15-18-year-olds are behaving disrespectfully and violently, chances are very good that said disrespect and violence was learned at home or close to it.

At that age, they've had plenty of time to learn by example how to interact with others.
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Old 10th June 2019, 01:25 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by luchog View Post
People learn how to behave from their parents, society, and peers. If 15-18-year-olds are behaving disrespectfully and violently, chances are very good that said disrespect and violence was learned at home or close to it.



At that age, they've had plenty of time to learn by example how to interact with others.
Yes. That's why most 15-18 year olds don't do anything as serious as this. Some do though, or do similarly obnoxious, antisocial stuff.
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Old 10th June 2019, 02:23 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Were you under the mistaken belief that multiculturalism might serve as a kind of protection against such barbarity?
I would guess not, given that JihadJane said that she wasn't shocked, not that she was.
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Old 10th June 2019, 02:51 PM   #205
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It looked like a group of gay guys fought with a lesbian couple, but that is me basing it on the mannerisms and how the group of guys were acting before.

-deleted link- wrong incident

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Well, before anyone else examines that footage too closely, it might be worth pointing out that it is of a completely different incident that happened six years ago.
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Old 10th June 2019, 04:01 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
Well, before anyone else examines that footage too closely, it might be worth pointing out that it is of a completely different incident that happened six years ago.
That was a mistake. This is what happens when you someone sends a link and you fail to note the date.
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Old 10th June 2019, 06:51 PM   #208
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I'm saying you can't be an a-hole ironically, and you certainly can't be an a-hole ironically ironically, and you certainly, certainly can't do it just be acting functionally indistinguishable from an a-hole and having other people tack on the "LOL joking" for you.

But this rabbit hole is deep enough, I'll drop my end of the rope to mix the metaphor.
You didn't answer the question as to whether you can see that those are two different things. The question of which Cain is engaging in is a different question.

The question of whether he is engaging in either effectively is one more question.
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Old 12th June 2019, 04:33 AM   #209
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... The basic problem is that London is becoming more and more lawless, provably. This is generally attributed (correctly, IMO) to under-funding and under-manning od the police over the past few years. My suspicion is that it's deliberate, 'problem-reaction-solution'. Coming soon - a massive recruitment drive for Greater London police officers, with particular attention paid to "ethnic representation". ETA>> this may be presented as "radical restructuring".
AS it happens Cressida Dick (sic), the Commissioner of the Met (hence more-or-less the most senior officer in the entire UK), announced an 'initiative' in May intended to "wipe out" "racism and islamophobia" in the force once and for all - several hundred additional "community assessors" (**** me - nothing if not predicable), a position originally created in 2003, are to be hired. And what is the role of these "community assessors? Vet all new applications and summarily bin any which betray any sign of prejudice or racism (in their doubtlessly expert and utterly unprejudiced view). Cut the BS - it's essentiallythe same "affirmative action", for which read "whites need not apply", policy that one of the Yorksire forces were discovered tacitly applying last year.

https://www.met.police.uk/car/career...ssor-overview/
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Old 12th June 2019, 04:35 AM   #210
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
AS it happens Cressida Dick (sic), the Commissioner of the Met (hence more-or-less the most senior officer in the entire UK), announced an 'initiative' in May intended to "wipe out" "racism and islamophobia" in the force once and for all - several hundred additional "community assessors" (**** me - nothing if not predicable), a position originally created in 2003, are to be hired. And what is the role of these "community assessors? Vet all new applications and summarily bin any which betray any sign of prejudice or racism (in their doubtlessly expert and utterly unprejudiced view). Cut the BS - it's essentiallythe same "affirmative action", for which read "whites need not apply", policy that one of the Yorksire forces were discovered tacitly applying last year.

https://www.met.police.uk/car/career...ssor-overview/


You might be unaware of the history of the Metropolitan Police Service.

Or, indeed the current state of the Met
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Old 12th June 2019, 04:48 AM   #211
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What terrifies me most is that when I read about this assault on two gay women, down the road from my house in the biggest, most multicultural city in the UK, I wasn’t even shocked. I was completely unsurprised by what had happened because for as long as I have been publicly dating women I have had experience of men behaving as though it is entirely for them.
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Were you under the mistaken belief that multiculturalism might serve as a kind of protection against such barbarity?
Yeh, I can just imagine a member of the latest (post-"Syrian Refugee Crisis) wave of migrants who've been adding to London's vibrant diversity intervening to save the lesbians. They love lesbians, do those migrants. And gay men - lovely gays. And white people - lovely, lovely white people.
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
Yeh, I can just imagine a member of the latest (post-"Syrian Refugee Crisis) wave of migrants who've been adding to London's vibrant diversity intervening to save the lesbians. They love lesbians, do those migrants. And gay men - lovely gays. And white people - lovely, lovely white people.
Given that hardly any of them have reached London, and that the one who did were generally trying to escape the attitudes you think they have, your sarcasm make no sense. If this was the 1930s, you'd be claiming that Jewish refugees are spreading Nazism to our shores.

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Old 13th June 2019, 05:48 PM   #214
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Given that hardly any of them have reached London
Refugees from Syria are not the only immigrants from countries and cultures which have less respect, shall we say, for women's and lesbians' rights than British society as a whole.
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This reminds me of the time we heard Trump declare he would defend LGBTQ citizens...

...from a hostile, foreign ideology.

In such instances, the subject appears to have an interest in tolerance. This is merely window dressing, the first group cited is only being wielded as prop victims to make slanderous remarks about a second group.

It's virtue signalling's even more corrupted cousin.

ETA: You'll notice over time less and less concern for the individuals in this specific attack and more and more focus turned against named groups (who may or may not even have anything to do with a given attack).

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ETA: You'll notice over time less and less concern for the individuals in this specific attack and more and more focus turned against named groups (who may or may not even have anything to do with a given attack).
Yes. The fact that - at the outset - one suspect was described as speaking Spanish and the others as having British accents hasn't stopped some posters nudge-nudge wink-winking at teh Muslimz being responsible.
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Yes. The fact that - at the outset - one suspect was described as speaking Spanish and the others as having British accents hasn't stopped some posters nudge-nudge wink-winking at teh Muslimz being responsible.
Are you under the mistaken impression that there are no Muslims with English or Spanish accents? They are unlikely to be refugees with such accents, but that doesn't preclude them from being second or third gen immigrants.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Are you under the mistaken impression that there are no Muslims with English or Spanish accents? They are unlikely to be refugees with such accents, but that doesn't preclude them from being second or third gen immigrants.
Was you meaning to provide such a clear example?
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Old 14th June 2019, 07:28 PM   #219
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Originally Posted by Daily Mail
A lesbian couple who were victims of a horrific homphobic attack on a London bus two weeks ago have defiantly spoken out as their injuries slowly heal.

They say they were primarily targeted by a gang of men because they are women who are viewed as 'sexual objects' and also hit out at Tory frontrunner Boris Johnson...

Ms Geymonat, a doctor from Uruguay and a Ryanair flight attendant, said that the incident was primarily 'an attack towards women, and then after homosexual women', revealing that she was told to 'get the hell out of the country' by her friends after the incident...

When the interviewer brought up that Boris Johnson seemed to be the most likely person to be the next Prime Minister, and referenced comments he had previously made comparing homosexual marriage to 'bestiality', Chris said that the Tory frontrunner was not 'fit to lead anything, much less the United Kingdom'...

When asked if she thought the portrayal of lesbians as a male fantasy in pornography had an effect on some young men's views of gay women in real life, Ms Geymonat said she did think porn 'plays its own part' in contributing to the treatment of homosexual women as objects who exist for the sake of the male gaze...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...speak-out.html
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Old 14th June 2019, 08:48 PM   #220
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They are unlikely to be refugees with such accents, but that doesn't preclude them from being second or third gen immigrants.
What the hell does "second or third gen immigrants" even mean? How many previous generations of your family have to have been born in the country you were born in for you to not be an "immigrant" anymore?

I'm white as mayonnaise and I've never been outside this country; but my grandmother was not born in the United States, so I guess that makes me a "third generation immigrant". Today I learned.
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What the hell does "second or third gen immigrants" even mean? How many previous generations of your family have to have been born in the country you were born in for you to not be an "immigrant" anymore?

I'm white as mayonnaise and I've never been outside this country; but my grandmother was not born in the United States, so I guess that makes me a "third generation immigrant". Today I learned.
Lol

This has always been slightly humorous thing to me as well.
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Yes it is and yes it is related to "austerity" but you need to keep it in perspective, we are seeing rates of say murder we haven't seen for 10 or 12 years. So for example London is still "safer" than when I lived in London.
I realise correlation does not imply causation, but . . . .
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Yeh, I can just imagine a member of the latest (post-"Syrian Refugee Crisis) wave of migrants who've been adding to London's vibrant diversity intervening to save the lesbians. They love lesbians, do those migrants. And gay men - lovely gays. And white people - lovely, lovely white people.
They’ll fit right in with most of the white middle-aged Londoners that disgusted me for the 15 years I lived there then!
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What the hell does "second or third gen immigrants" even mean?
You know exactly what it means. You might not like the phrase, but don't feign confusion.

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How many previous generations of your family have to have been born in the country you were born in for you to not be an "immigrant" anymore?
Depends on the purpose. I'm a second-generation immigrant, nothing shameful about that.

But not all second-generation immigrants are fully assimilated. The cultures from which they come can still play a large part in their current beliefs. For example, three of the four July 7 London Tube bombers were second-generation immigrants from Pakistan. If you don't think that background was relevant to their decision to engage in terrorism, you're in denial. And if you think that the cultural attitudes towards gays in countries like Pakistan has no effect on second-generation immigrants in the UK from those places, you don't understand human nature. Not every Pakistani in the UK is going to hate gays (hell, even in Pakistan I'm sure there are tolerant people), but the average attitudes are different. And multiculturalism and the attendant reduction in assimilation makes those differences more persistent.

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I'm white as mayonnaise and I've never been outside this country; but my grandmother was not born in the United States, so I guess that makes me a "third generation immigrant". Today I learned.
I'm not sure what you being white has to do with anything. White people immigrate and emigrate to and from places. But yes, you're a third generation immigrant.
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Four teenagers deny homophobic harassment

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Two 17-year-olds, a 16-year-old and a 15-year-old allegedly demanded they kiss and perform sex acts when they discovered they were a couple, Highbury Corner Youth Court heard. They will stand trial on 28 November.

All four are charged with using threatening, abusive, or insulting words or behaviour to cause harassment, alarm, or distress. It was alleged the boys threw coins at the women, who were both taken to hospital for treatment to facial injuries after the incident.

The 16-year-old boy, from Wandsworth, admitted stealing a handbag but denied handling her stolen mobile phone.

The 15-year-old, from Kensington and Chelsea, also denied handling a stolen bank card.

One of the 17-year-olds, both from Kensington and Chelsea, also denies a charge of possession of cannabis...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-49421076
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Did you miss the last half of my post?

My issue was with the challange "maybe if you got beat and robbed it you wouldn't find it funny. ". It's simply not effective argumentation as a decent portion of the population can and would laugh.
Strange in my mind to consider it as an argument. I see it as a rebuke against callousness and a call for more simple human empathy.


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lol?

This is just a small example of an almost innate toxic male entitlement.

What they need is a punch to the face and some time to heal behind bars.
Wait, what? Your solution to toxic masculinity is to beat them up first? Isn't that perpetuating a major part of toxic masculinity saying might makes right?


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You might be unaware of the history of the Metropolitan Police Service.

Or, indeed the current state of the Met
Naw, naw, that's all FAKE HISTORY.


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Refugees from Syria are not the only immigrants from countries and cultures which have less respect, shall we say, for women's and lesbians' rights than British society as a whole.
So? These four British youths certainly did not demonstrate this cultural respect; why assume refugees will invariably demonstrate theirs?
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Four teenagers deny homophobic harassment
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-49421076
But who are they?







I wanna know which ethnic group to blame! [/jk]
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But who are they?







I wanna know which ethnic group to blame! [/jk]
If The Hun or The Fail haven't mentioned it, they are probably white.
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But who are they?
They're under 18 and, I think, cannot be named at this stage of proceedings.
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Yeh, I can just imagine a member of the latest (post-"Syrian Refugee Crisis) wave of migrants who've been adding to London's vibrant diversity intervening to save the lesbians. They love lesbians, do those migrants. And gay men - lovely gays. And white people - lovely, lovely white people.
Projecting your own attitudes on to people you don't know?
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Old 27th August 2019, 10:56 PM   #231
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What the hell does "second or third gen immigrants" even mean? How many previous generations of your family have to have been born in the country you were born in for you to not be an "immigrant" anymore?

I'm white as mayonnaise and I've never been outside this country; but my grandmother was not born in the United States, so I guess that makes me a "third generation immigrant". Today I learned.

Here in the US I've always heard it as "3rd generation American". I've never heard the "immigrant" version.
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They're under 18 and, I think, cannot be named at this stage of proceedings.
Nor necessarily at the end of them.
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Here in the US I've always heard it as "3rd generation American". I've never heard the "immigrant" version.

My ancestors came here nearly a century and a half before the U.S. existed.

I guess that makes me a thirteenth generation immigrant.
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My ancestors came here nearly a century and a half before the U.S. existed.

I guess that makes me a thirteenth generation immigrant.
All of them, or just some of them ?
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All of them, or just some of them ?
I think, in terms of the 'I've been here longest' game, one is allowed to use the one that gives the most satisfying answer.

I think. It's not a game I'm familiar with.
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My ancestors came here nearly a century and a half before the U.S. existed.

I guess that makes me a thirteenth generation immigrant.
Some relative of mine who I never met managed to trace back our family history (on the male side) to a man who first came to America around 1650 as an indentured servant. He was on the losing side in a battle in the English Civil war at that time and was captured. He was only 16 at the time of the battle. I think Oliver Cromwell was the winner of that particular battle. What they did with my ancestor was to send him to New England as an indentured servant. I'd have to go back to the book to figure out exactly how many generations are between me and him though.
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All of them, or just some of them ?

Some, of course.

However, two of my four grandparents are direct descendants of settlers who came here in 1640, including my father's father, who was born and raised in the same town that 1640 settler came to. Same surname and all.

A third was a latecomer, though. Didn't get here until shortly after 1700.
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Follow-up article includes some video of the fight.

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