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Old 29th November 2019, 10:52 AM   #1
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ICE to Catholics: Go to Hell

I'm no fan of the RC church, but I'm even less so of the racist Trump administration.
The priest at the local church has been ordered to be out of the country by tomorrow. He's a native of Ghana, and has been here since 2014. His religious visa has expired. He and the Church have been working on getting him an extension for about a year and have basically been stonewalled by ICE. The fact that many in his parish are Spanish-speaking immigrants probably doesn't help.
I can't help thinking that if he was a Protestant fundamentalist from northern Europe there'd have been no delay.

I'd link to the local paper but it's paywalled.
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Old 29th November 2019, 11:04 AM   #2
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Excerpt from the article:
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In order not to jeopardize his green card application, Adoko-Enchill must be out of the United States by the deadline, McHattie said. “If he overstays (the Dec. 1 expiration on his current permission) he can be deported and he would not be able to get back in.”

“They have been working on getting his visa approved for 10 months. They have had no response from Immigration, period, in that time,” said McHattie, who is a U.S. Justice Department-accredited representative to help people with immigration paperwork.

“He supports us,” parishioner Natalia Guevara said of the nearly 200 church members who attend the Spanish-language service he conducts at Star of the Sea. “Everybody was crying,” she said. “He was open to let us share with him our lives, not just like a priest, but like a friend.”
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Old 29th November 2019, 12:43 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I'm no fan of the RC church, but I'm even less so of the racist Trump administration.
The priest at the local church has been ordered to be out of the country by tomorrow. He's a native of Ghana, and has been here since 2014. His religious visa has expired. He and the Church have been working on getting him an extension for about a year and have basically been stonewalled by ICE. The fact that many in his parish are Spanish-speaking immigrants probably doesn't help.
I can't help thinking that if he was a Protestant fundamentalist from northern Europe there'd have been no delay.

I'd link to the local paper but it's paywalled.
That's what you get when you're born in a predominantly black/brown nation. If it's also a poor one, best not to even apply for a tourist visa.
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Old 29th November 2019, 02:17 PM   #4
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That's what you get when you're born in a predominantly black/brown nation. If it's also a poor one, best not to even apply for a tourist visa.
******** countries, and all that.
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Old 29th November 2019, 02:22 PM   #5
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You think Trump's base considers him to be a christian? The man is a papist!
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Old 29th November 2019, 02:24 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I'm no fan of the RC church, but I'm even less so of the racist Trump administration.
The priest at the local church has been ordered to be out of the country by tomorrow. He's a native of Ghana, and has been here since 2014. His religious visa has expired. He and the Church have been working on getting him an extension for about a year and have basically been stonewalled by ICE. The fact that many in his parish are Spanish-speaking immigrants probably doesn't help.
I can't help thinking that if he was a Protestant fundamentalist from northern Europe there'd have been no delay.

I'd link to the local paper but it's paywalled.
https://www.uscis.gov/working-united...igious-workers

"USCIS may grant R-1 status for an initial period of admission for up to 30 months. Subsequent extensions may be granted for up to an additional 30 months. The religious worker’s total period of stay in the United States in R-1 classification cannot exceed five years (60 months)."

If he's been here since 2014 on an R-1 visa, that's 5 years. He's not eligible for an R-1 visa extension. He may be trying to get a permanent visa, and there is one for religious workers:

https://www.uscis.gov/working-united...igious-workers

I have no idea what the standard time line for visa applications of this sort are, so I have no way of knowing whether this is a typical delay or out of the ordinary.
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Old 29th November 2019, 02:32 PM   #7
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No link to the story. No word about ICE's position on this. Just a link to the church. Could there be more to the story, fellow critical thinkers? I'm seeing a pretty big fallacy or two in this thread.

Perhaps they have good reasons for this? Surely some people that are deported should be.

I await more info.

And ya, nobody is ever let in from "brown" countries.
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Old 29th November 2019, 02:39 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
******** countries, and all that.
Now hold on, the official language of Ghana is English so there's still hope ...
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No link to the story. No word about ICE's position on this. Just a link to the church. Could there be more to the story, fellow critical thinkers? I'm seeing a pretty big fallacy or two in this thread.
This is hardly a forum of critical thinking.
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One would think the Catholic Church and the INS would have worked out a system to handle all these matters, what with them both possessing enormous bureaucracies and this being pretty standard operational stuff for both of them.
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Old 29th November 2019, 04:39 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
No link to the story.
Angels and Ministers of Grace defend us! Did you actually READ the OP... at all...... just a little bit!?

Here let me help you

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I'd link to the local paper but it's paywalled.

https://www.ptleader.com/stories/pt-...country,66497?

(you get four free articles before you have to pay)


Sometimes, I just despair at the level of...... oh, never mind!
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https://www.ptleader.com/stories/pt-...-country,66497

Wasn't paywalled for me.
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Here's the link. It's paywalled, you'll have to subscribe to read the story. I can get it because we subscribe to the dead-tree version.
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Here's the link. It's paywalled, you'll have to subscribe to read the story. I can get it because we subscribe to the dead-tree version.
Clear your cookies, you have 4 free items.
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Clear your cookies, you have 4 free items.
Cool. I signed up now anyhow.
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So according to Treb, Ghana = Hell.

I can't argue.
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I just looked at the wait times for processing in WA state (Seattle is closest to him). It is 10-19.5 months. Other areas of the state are up to 2 years. They only applied 10 months ago so what is the case for him to jump the line? Do priests normally get fast-tracked before other applicants?

Seems like a case of just not applying early enough.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I'm no fan of the RC church, but I'm even less so of the racist Trump administration.
The priest at the local church has been ordered to be out of the country by tomorrow. He's a native of Ghana, and has been here since 2014. His religious visa has expired. He and the Church have been working on getting him an extension for about a year and have basically been stonewalled by ICE. The fact that many in his parish are Spanish-speaking immigrants probably doesn't help.
I can't help thinking that if he was a Protestant fundamentalist from northern Europe there'd have been no delay.

I'd link to the local paper but it's paywalled.
How, exactly, is the Trump administration racist?
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I'm no fan of the RC church, but I'm even less so of the racist Trump administration.
The priest at the local church has been ordered to be out of the country by tomorrow. He's a native of Ghana, and has been here since 2014. His religious visa has expired. He and the Church have been working on getting him an extension for about a year and have basically been stonewalled by ICE. The fact that many in his parish are Spanish-speaking immigrants probably doesn't help.
I can't help thinking that if he was a Protestant fundamentalist from northern Europe there'd have been no delay.

I'd link to the local paper but it's paywalled.
You are blaming one persons immigration issue directly to the president?

Awesome
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How, exactly, is the Trump administration racist?
Nice one, Jake, CullenNz! Keep doing what you're doing ...
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How, exactly, is the Trump administration racist?

Like this:

The Creepy Racist Network Behind Trump Aide Stephen Miller (Daily Beast, Nov. 29, 2019)
Trump aide Stephen Miller told Bannon immigration would 'decimate' America (Guardian, Nov. 22, 2019)
Steephen Miller Is a White Nationalist. Does It Matter? (NYT, Nov. 18, 2019)

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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Angels and Ministers of Grace defend us! Did you actually READ the OP... at all...... just a little bit!?

Here let me help you




https://www.ptleader.com/stories/pt-...country,66497?

(you get four free articles before you have to pay)


Sometimes, I just despair at the level of...... oh, never mind!

As do I, so spare me your drama and insults.

Ya I read the OP, what little content it contains.

What exactly is paywalled, there's no link? Why would I think I'd be able to see the story even if I knew where it was? Is it the only version on the internet?

I'm not going to go out of my way to do my own research when the OP can't bother (no offense Treb). I don't often agree with people here so there's little reason for me to do that. Sometimes I do anyways.

I mean gee, another "ICE is bad" thread at ISF. How tedious. Let me get right on that!

I know a lot of people here hate ICE and I know gawdamned well that people will respond without reading the article, wherever it may be, because ICE = bad and yada yada.

I will admit that I really don't care much about this forum anymore and I'm sure my attitude shows it these days.
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You are blaming one persons immigration issue directly to the president?



Awesome
That is the criteria used by the POTUS to ascribe responsibility and blame so surely we should apply the president's standards?
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
As do I, so spare me your drama and insults.
Insults?

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Ya I read the OP, what little content it contains.
Then you will have seen that Trebuchet said he didn't post a link because it was paywalled, right? Which makes me wonder why you posted this....

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What exactly is paywalled?
It means you would not be able to read any linked article without paying for a subscription.

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there's no link?
Yeah, I think Trebuchet already said that, in the OP you read

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Why would I think I'd be able to see the story even if I knew where it was? Is it the only version on the internet?
I don't know. Is it?

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I'm not going to go out of my way to do my own research when the OP can't bother (no offense Treb). I don't often agree with people here so there's little reason for me to do that. Sometimes I do anyways.
Your choice. Don't blame everyone else for your choice

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I mean gee, another "ICE is bad" thread at ISF. How tedious. Let me get right on that!

I know a lot of people here hate ICE and I know gawdamned well that people will respond without reading the article, wherever it may be, because ICE = bad and yada yada.
Well, if you didn't care, why did you even bother to reply?

Was it just so you could have a whinge?

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I will admit that I really don't care much about this forum anymore and I'm sure my attitude shows it these days.
Yes, it does.

If you don't like it here, no-one is keeping you!
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As do I, so spare me your drama and insults.

Ya I read the OP, what little content it contains.

What exactly is paywalled, there's no link? Why would I think I'd be able to see the story even if I knew where it was? Is it the only version on the internet?

I'm not going to go out of my way to do my own research when the OP can't bother (no offense Treb). I don't often agree with people here so there's little reason for me to do that. Sometimes I do anyways.

I mean gee, another "ICE is bad" thread at ISF. How tedious. Let me get right on that!

I know a lot of people here hate ICE and I know gawdamned well that people will respond without reading the article, wherever it may be, because ICE = bad and yada yada.

I will admit that I really don't care much about this forum anymore and I'm sure my attitude shows it these days.
^^^^ that.
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How, exactly, is the Trump administration racist?
Here you go, two hundred examples. Not that you'd dare to actually read them...
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Here you go, two hundred examples. Not that you'd dare to actually read them...
I'm not taking a position on whether Trump is racist or not, but most of those "examples" were pretty tenuous and not proof of racism, and the website is obviously pushing an agenda of its own so is hardly an objective source.
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I'm just amused that this somehow gets translated as "Ice to Catholics: Go to Hell." I assume it's intended as a clever play on the old "Ford to City: Drop Dead," headline that appeared in the NY Post many years ago.
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Here you go, two hundred examples. Not that you'd dare to actually read them...
Far out

If you want to show a point, that site is the worst way to do it.
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Trump can't be called a Racist unless he is walking around publicly in Klan-robes, we understand.
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Trump can't be called a Racist unless he is walking around publicly in Klan-robes, we understand.
You got that? ^

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Far out

If you want to show a point, that site is the worst way to do it.
From this? ^
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You got that? ^



From this? ^
rather from this:

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The Creepy Racist Network Behind Trump Aide Stephen Miller (Daily Beast, Nov. 29, 2019)
Trump aide Stephen Miller told Bannon immigration would 'decimate' America (Guardian, Nov. 22, 2019)
Steephen Miller Is a White Nationalist. Does It Matter? (NYT, Nov. 18, 2019)

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Miller has been Trump's adviser from the start, and there is no indication that they aren't 100% in agreement - unlike everyone else, Trump has never publicly criticized Miller.
And there is no question that Miller is a White Nationalist.
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Old 1st December 2019, 07:16 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
rather from this:




Miller has been Trump's adviser from the start, and there is no indication that they aren't 100% in agreement - unlike everyone else, Trump has never publicly criticized Miller.
And there is no question that Miller is a White Nationalist.
But you suggested that people were making a case that there was no evidence (or not enough) that Trump was racist and wrote, sarcastically I assume, that he "can't be called a Racist unless he is walking around publicly in Klan-robes, we understand".

Now you link to a post, in this very thread, that would indicate that you do feel that there is sufficient evidence in this thread to make the case that Trump is, in fact, a racist.

I hope you can understand why I'm confused? Your post looked like it was calling out Cullennz for something he never said.

By the way who are "we"?

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Old 1st December 2019, 08:46 AM   #34
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Trump was blatantly racist in his very first appearance as a candidate. But some, I suppose, are good people.
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Old 1st December 2019, 09:21 AM   #35
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
https://www.uscis.gov/working-united...igious-workers

"USCIS may grant R-1 status for an initial period of admission for up to 30 months. Subsequent extensions may be granted for up to an additional 30 months. The religious worker’s total period of stay in the United States in R-1 classification cannot exceed five years (60 months)."

If he's been here since 2014 on an R-1 visa, that's 5 years. He's not eligible for an R-1 visa extension. He may be trying to get a permanent visa, and there is one for religious workers:

https://www.uscis.gov/working-united...igious-workers

I have no idea what the standard time line for visa applications of this sort are, so I have no way of knowing whether this is a typical delay or out of the ordinary.
Well, I think its best to assume that it would be easy if he weren't black.
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Well, I think its best to assume that it would be easy if he weren't black.
Why would it be best to assume that?
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Why would it be best to assume that?
That seems to be what everyone does. I was being sarcastic.

We probably don't have to assume, if not the majority then at least the plurality of Catholic priests and nuns in the US are foreign born, I bet the church could tell us or even INS could tell us.

Edit, I was wrong, a large minority are foreign born but not even a plurality.

Edit, like many political threads, this is dumb.
I shall paraphrase.
OP, here's an anecdote about a priest having trouble with immigration, it must be because ICE is racist because the priest is black.
A chorus of aggreement.
A few folks asking, so how do we know?
Answer, because trump is a racist and ICE is bad.

Why not look for actual evidence instead of assertion and anecdote. Meh, why, this isn't a forum of skeptics or anything.

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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Far out

If you want to show a point, that site is the worst way to do it.
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I'm not taking a position on whether Trump is racist or not, but most of those "examples" were pretty tenuous and not proof of racism, and the website is obviously pushing an agenda of its own so is hardly an objective source.
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Here you go, two hundred examples. Not that you'd dare to actually read them...
It does seem to largely be a list of times that Trump and his administration has said things about immigration being bad.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
You are blaming one persons immigration issue directly to the president?

Awesome
It's unfair yes but when dealing with Trump you don't have to be fair. He's not good enough for such considerations.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Why would it be best to assume that?
Because Trump and the subhuman goods he's installed at DHS are a bunch of filthy bigots.
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