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Old 29th November 2017, 12:56 AM   #1
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What's Been Happening since 2014?

Back in 2013 and 2014, I used to post a lot on the 9/11 forum. I'm sure that many people here know this because it's all the same people posting about the same things. This thing by the guy from the University of Alaska is new, but it doesn't seem to be saying anything that's different.

From an historical point, I can see that it's interesting to understand the 9/11 Truth idea, but what's going on here now? Surely very few people are left believing - at least publicly - that bombs blew up the World Trade Center buildings, that no plane hit the Pentagon and any of that other crazy Truther stuff. The people who are left over are so full of cognitive dissonance that they can't possibly change their minds. So what's going on with this forum? What's its purpose? What argument is left in the Truth movement?
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Old 29th November 2017, 01:29 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Scott Sommers View Post
Back in 2013 and 2014, I used to post a lot on the 9/11 forum. I'm sure that many people here know this because it's all the same people posting about the same things. This thing by the guy from the University of Alaska is new, but it doesn't seem to be saying anything that's different.

From an historical point, I can see that it's interesting to understand the 9/11 Truth idea, but what's going on here now? Surely very few people are left believing - at least publicly - that bombs blew up the World Trade Center buildings, that no plane hit the Pentagon and any of that other crazy Truther stuff. The people who are left over are so full of cognitive dissonance that they can't possibly change their minds. So what's going on with this forum? What's its purpose? What argument is left in the Truth movement?
Whilst we have undergone a few changes, I think you'll find that the forum consists of more than just 9/11 threads.

You use the word forum where I think you mean thread?

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Old 29th November 2017, 02:21 AM   #3
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Nothing. The truth movement has failed to generate any new revenue-earning products over the last few years, and its remaining output circulates in the intellectual equivalent of dusty second hand bookshops. The 9/11 conspiracy theories sub-forum is as good as dead; every now and then a self-identified 9/11 truther makes a post that could have been made, appears to have been made and might conceivably already have been made five years ago, a group of die-hard debunkers points out all the obvious stupidity in it, after which the truther declares victory and disappears. It's probably time to roll the sub-forum back into the parent Conspiracy Theories forum, because it's no longer worth a separate category.

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Old 29th November 2017, 02:46 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
Nothing. The truth movement has failed to generate any new revenue-earning products over the last few years, and its remaining output circulates in the intellectual equivalent of dusty second hand bookshops. The 9/11 conspiracy theories sub-forum is as good as dead; every now and then a self-identified 9/11 truther makes a post that could have been made, appears to have been made and might conceivably already have been made five years ago, a group of die-hard debunkers points out all the obvious stupidity in it, after which the truther declares victory and disappears. It's probably time to roll the sub-forum back into the parent Conspiracy Theories forum, because it's no longer worth a separate category.

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Thanks Dave. You confirm my impression of things. There's been talk about closing the 9/11 forum for a long time, but there's always been the fear that Truthers will flood the place like maggots on road kill and need to be isolated so that they can be controlled. I also get the impression that there are no really new Truthers being made and all the crazies are keeping quite because they now know more or less what people really think of them.
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Old 29th November 2017, 03:01 AM   #5
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It's become quiet. Myself, I keep documenting and commenting on the lack of movement in the Movement, how it fails all its objectives and stays a tiny fringe of fools.
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Old 29th November 2017, 04:57 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
It's become quiet. Myself, I keep documenting and commenting on the lack of movement in the Movement, how it fails all its objectives and stays a tiny fringe of fools.
I think that's a good thing. I still read your posts about AE9/11 membership. I know how hard it is to stay interested in documenting these guys for a long time. I've lost interest in watching these groups. They really are dumb people. I'm glad to see that you still have the fortitude. Keep up the good work.
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Old 29th November 2017, 10:02 AM   #7
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It certainly does all seem to be winding down but I don't think the forum should be closed. Speaking from personal experience, I would imagine its existence is the biggest reason why more non-technical people like myself aren't being convinced by the more competent sounding arguments of people like AE911Truth, as I pretty heavily was (that is, I was at least convinced that they had genuine questions rather than word games and cherry picking). It's entirely down to reading and posting in this forum that I now understand why I was wrong.
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Old 29th November 2017, 10:20 AM   #8
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From another thread but appropriate here:

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Yes, Twoofies, that's the sad truth: The "Truth Movement" has neither truth nor movement, for the moment someone dares to move and say something true, he is labeled a heretic, a shill, an infiltrator. So all you guys do is sit still with the nonsense from 2006, and do nothing.
Nuff said.
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Old 29th November 2017, 10:35 AM   #9
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From another thread but appropriate here:



Nuff said.
The truth movement now is pretty much the same as JFK assassination or moon hoax CT's. There is still a hard core of believers that recycle the same old nonsense, but hardly anybody really takes them seriously any more.
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Old 29th November 2017, 11:16 AM   #10
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As I've often commented conspiracy theories about events like 9-11 gain popularity not because of the event itself, but because of things that are perceived (rightly or wrongly) to have happened because of the event. The conspiracy theories about 9-11 gained popularity because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They were a way of short-circuiting the legitimate arguments for and against those wars. If you can prove Bush (or his supposed puppet master Cheney) did 9-11 to draw us into war then clearly the wars have no legitimacy.

Well, those wars have largely gone away, and the arguments pro and con can be relegated to the history books. Hence less interest in the premise that "9-11 Truth Ends All Wars" as the protest signs used to claim.

I think it also hurts that there are fewer young people every year who actually remember 9-11. Kids entering college this year would have been two years old; I doubt if many of them have any memories. It's hard to sustain a movement without young people.
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Old 18th March 2018, 08:02 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Scott Sommers View Post
Back in 2013 and 2014, I used to post a lot on the 9/11 forum. I'm sure that many people here know this because it's all the same people posting about the same things. This thing by the guy from the University of Alaska is new, but it doesn't seem to be saying anything that's different.

From an historical point, I can see that it's interesting to understand the 9/11 Truth idea, but what's going on here now? Surely very few people are left believing - at least publicly - that bombs blew up the World Trade Center buildings, that no plane hit the Pentagon and any of that other crazy Truther stuff. The people who are left over are so full of cognitive dissonance that they can't possibly change their minds. So what's going on with this forum? What's its purpose? What argument is left in the Truth movement?
I think the most recent "thing" in the past years among Truthers is the growth of the popular meme "The Jews did 9/11." It's not true, but it has gained strength in recent time thanks to the "dancing Israelis."
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