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Old 15th January 2020, 01:35 PM   #41
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To me the search box is like DOS. But I like it. I do not have to find what I want in an obscure menu, I just type what I want and there it is.
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Old 15th January 2020, 02:54 PM   #42
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I actually really like the Windows 10 start menu. Mostly because the search bar is all I use. I never look for control panel, or bounce around with multiple clicks. I type "update" in the bar and I get windows updates. People don't like the bar though too, I hear a lot of complaints about it. I do enjoy the double click nature of the start menu now too, if you do have to go navigating.

It's saved me a lot of questions around the office because it's fairly newbie friendly.
Very much true for me also, and has been since Windows 7. Just hit the Win key or click start, type in a few letters of what your looking for and there it is.

I have the dozen or app I use all day every day pinned to my task bar, another dozen or so slightly less used apps on my desktop, and the search bar get everything else.

Very simple, very fast and easy.
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Old 15th January 2020, 06:32 PM   #43
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Windows 10 Enterprise edition is actually pretty good. Considerably more stable than some previous editions I've worked with, and staff don't appear to have had a great deal of trouble with the transition from 7. Of course, some staff transitioned via 8, which really does make 10 look good.
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Old 16th January 2020, 08:07 AM   #44
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Windows 10 Enterprise edition is actually pretty good. Considerably more stable than some previous editions I've worked with, and staff don't appear to have had a great deal of trouble with the transition from 7. Of course, some staff transitioned via 8, which really does make 10 look good.
Windows 95 makes 8 look good.
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Old 16th January 2020, 08:15 AM   #45
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Windows 8 is the most ignored Windows ever. Even Vista and ME I at least "saw in the wild" on occasions but I honestly can't remember ever seeing Windows 8 in any functional home or business enviroment, the entire world just seem to decide on mass to skip straight from 7 to 10.
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Old 16th January 2020, 08:19 AM   #46
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I had windows 8. That's what started me using alternatives to the start menu, it just sucked. Windows 10 gets it right.
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Old 16th January 2020, 09:08 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Windows 8 is the most ignored Windows ever.
Windows 9 would like to have a word with you
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Originally Posted by DuvalHMFIC View Post
Windows 9 would like to have a word with you
Windows 98 was a great operating system. It just came before Windows 7 and 8. Hence they had to skip to Windows 10.

Seriously a lot of code would not work if they had a Windows 9. The code would think it was Windows 98. So it was not ignored. It just did not exist.
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Old 16th January 2020, 05:15 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Windows 98 was a great operating system. It just came before Windows 7 and 8. Hence they had to skip to Windows 10.

Seriously a lot of code would not work if they had a Windows 9. The code would think it was Windows 98. So it was not ignored. It just did not exist.

If it's so primitive, why didn't the code think it was Windows 95 when it actually was Windows 98?
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Old 16th January 2020, 05:31 PM   #50
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Microsoft's great operating systems have been, in order:

Windows for Workgroups 3.11 over DOS 6.4
Windows 98 SE
Windows XP
Windows 7
Windows 10 Enterprise.

I haven't used Windows 10 Home but I've heard mixed reports.

That's been about it.
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Old 16th January 2020, 05:53 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Microsoft's great operating systems have been, in order:

Windows for Workgroups 3.11 over DOS 6.4
Windows 98 SE
Windows XP
Windows 7
Windows 10 Enterprise.

I haven't used Windows 10 Home but I've heard mixed reports.

That's been about it.
MS-DOS 5.0 was my workhorse until Windows 95. The only thing I used WfW 3.11 for was the Windows version of Civilization which was vastly superior to the DOS version. Pirates! was pretty good on 3.11 as well.
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
MS-DOS 5.0 was my workhorse until Windows 95. The only thing I used WfW 3.11 for was the Windows version of Civilization which was vastly superior to the DOS version. Pirates! was pretty good on 3.11 as well.
I've supported all of them in the workspace. All Windows version since WFW3.11, that is. Yes, that includes Me, Vista and 8.
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I've supported all of them in the workspace. All Windows version since WFW3.11, that is. Yes, that includes Me, Vista and 8.
For all that I complain about IT/IS departments since I joined the workforce, I'm glad I was never subjected to the true trainwreck OSes on my work PCs over the years. It was pretty much 3.11-NT4-XP-7-10 with some DOS sprinkled for flavor during the 3.11-NT4 period.
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
For all that I complain about IT/IS departments since I joined the workforce, I'm glad I was never subjected to the true trainwreck OSes on my work PCs over the years. It was pretty much 3.11-NT4-XP-7-10 with some DOS sprinkled for flavor during the 3.11-NT4 period.
When I started in my current job we were a 7 shop with a few tablet hybrids running 8. The update to 10 was a nightmare at the time, but it's been great since then.
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If it's so primitive, why didn't the code think it was Windows 95 when it actually was Windows 98?
Vague memories from around the time 10 was announced of someone posting a case/switch statement purportedly from ...... no, forgotten. Supposedly some important code out in the wild that would treat 9 as 95/8. And I'm failing on my search engine. FWIW.
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Ditto on the search bar. It's all I use in 7, too. While bouncing around the web requires a lot of mousing, most of what I do benefits greatly from keeping my hands on the keyboard as much as possible. If I need to bring up notepad, it's windows button, type in "notepad," press enter and done...it's much, much faster than it sounds.
Agreed. Command line, Run or Quick Launch.
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I actually really like the Windows 10 start menu. Mostly because the search bar is all I use. I never look for control panel, or bounce around with multiple clicks. I type "update" in the bar and I get windows updates. People don't like the bar though too, I hear a lot of complaints about it. I do enjoy the double click nature of the start menu now too, if you do have to go navigating.

It's saved me a lot of questions around the office because it's fairly newbie friendly.
I must have done some change to the Setup because I'm on Windows 10 but those features don't sound familiar. Everything is single-click. I don't see a Search bar when I hit Start, but just typing a letter starts a search (which I didn't even know until now, thanks).

My Start box looks like (left to right):
Vertical stack of small icons for Settings, Power, etc
List of applications
Groups of icons for oft-used apps I have arranged in a certain manner
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I must have done some change to the Setup because I'm on Windows 10 but those features don't sound familiar. Everything is single-click. I don't see a Search bar when I hit Start, but just typing a letter starts a search (which I didn't even know until now, thanks).

My Start box looks like (left to right):
Vertical stack of small icons for Settings, Power, etc
List of applications
Groups of icons for oft-used apps I have arranged in a certain manner
It's actually that way in Windows 8 too. If you hit the windows key to the tile screen it'll pop up a search window.
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For all that I complain about IT/IS departments since I joined the workforce, I'm glad I was never subjected to the true trainwreck OSes on my work PCs over the years. It was pretty much 3.11-NT4-XP-7-10 with some DOS sprinkled for flavor during the 3.11-NT4 period.
Pfff. I remember DOS 4.00, WinNT 3.1, 3.5 and 3.51. All installed and used.
How about NT4 on MIPS? NT5 on Alpha?
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Pfff. I remember DOS 4.00, WinNT 3.1, 3.5 and 3.51. All installed and used.
How about NT4 on MIPS? NT5 on Alpha?

OK, Boomer.
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OS/2 Warp - everything Windows 95 should have been!

Workplace Shell (OO), isolated & multiple instances of windows 3.1, even DOS boxes. It was brilliant for software development... at the time..
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I have an OS/2 iso and an old laptop for my next fit of boredom.

IBM sales used to boast how wonderful they were but the whole OS/2 and MCA debacle showed otherwise. I attended a talk by Chet Heath (who designed MCA) and was blown away but all sales could see was how many boxes they could shift.
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OS/2 Warp - everything Windows 95 should have been!

Workplace Shell (OO), isolated & multiple instances of windows 3.1, even DOS boxes. It was brilliant for software development... at the time..
I remember the TV ad for that -- a couple guys looking at the screen (which the viewer can't see) and going "Wow, cool, neato!" (paraphrased)
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Around the time a joke popular inside IBM was that if IBM marketing did ads for KFC the new slogan would be "For sale: hot dead birds".
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Windows 7 goes End of Life on Tuesday 14JAN2020. No more updates and patches unless you've paid for the corporate extension.

I take it everyone is prepared?
What is Windows 7?

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Wednesday should be even more fun. That's when Microsoft rolls out the new version of Edge browser based on Chromium, replacing the old one based on their own rendering engine. Heise writes that while the old version won't be deleted immediately (that will happen later on), it needs some tricks to still access it after the update.

Good luck with "your" computer and internet, Windows 10 users.
What is "Edge"?

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