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Old 14th January 2020, 10:53 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Your examples aren't mainstream commercial speech.

I'm probably not being clear. I mean literally commercial speech. Advertising copy intended to spark a commercial transaction.

Not artistic speech, like you get from movie. Not political speech. Not didactic speech.

I could post dozens of clips of graphic incest porn. But that wouldn't mean the time has come for graphic incest porn to enter the mainstream of commercial speech.

So your clip, without any argument to go with it, doesn't seem like evidence of anything.
I disagree.
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Old 14th January 2020, 11:19 AM   #122
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Yes it does, but it's also twice the price of a conventional meat based WhopperTM.
Are the moms allowed to say "whopper"?
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Old 14th January 2020, 12:24 PM   #123
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That's funny. Someone new to the country I presume? I mean, who doesn't know how it works at McDonalds?
You have obviously never worked behind a counter in the USA.

We are really mostly that stupid.
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Old 14th January 2020, 12:56 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Are the moms allowed to say "whopper"?
Only when watching The Spy that Shagged Me.
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Old 14th January 2020, 01:05 PM   #125
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I disagree.
You know where to find this thread, if you ever come up with an argument that converts your non sequitur to a sequitur.
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Old 14th January 2020, 01:51 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
A message to all the "concerned moms" out there: the fact that you squeezed out one or more runts does not entitle you to be a censor of public morals.
Word. Moms are just as likely to be lousy human beings as any other billion people. My own dear mother has opinions about which I give less than a ****.
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Old 14th January 2020, 03:20 PM   #127
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Oh Noes! Will the Republic survive?
Well, it has survived for 80' years after Rhett Butler used the D word in "Gone With The Wind".
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Old 14th January 2020, 03:24 PM   #128
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Just read about the Million Moms antigay agenda.
They can go to Hell, as far as I am concerned.
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Old 14th January 2020, 03:30 PM   #129
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I'd be surprised if the actual organizers of the group aren't actually men.
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Old 14th January 2020, 03:52 PM   #130
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Only when watching The Spy that Shagged Me.

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The Spy who Shagged Me.


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Old 14th January 2020, 06:04 PM   #131
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Originally Posted by autumn1971 View Post
You have obviously never worked behind a counter in the USA.

We are really mostly that stupid.
Well never at McDonalds, but I did briefly have a gig at a Subway after high school. Mercifully, most of my memories of that time have faded away. One thing I do remember is the time I sliced my finger open while trying to clean a tomato slicer. I hated that job.
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Old 14th January 2020, 06:42 PM   #132
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Did they also object to Frank's Red Hot Sauce? "I put that **** on everything?"
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Old 15th January 2020, 06:44 AM   #133
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
You know where to find this thread, if you ever come up with an argument that converts your non sequitur to a sequitur.
I have no opinion about that.
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Old 15th January 2020, 06:59 AM   #134
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For some reason I have the mutant ability to always be behind someone at a Taco Bell line who needs the entire menu explained to them. And it's always some middle aged or older woman. "What's a... Gordita? What's in a Chulupa? Does the Nachos Bel Grande have this? Does the this come with that? Does that come with this?"

I always want to just grab them and go "Lady... it's a Taco Bell. They have 5 ingredients back there. Just keeping handing them money and saying random Mexican words until they hand you some combination of meat, tortilla, cheese, beans, and lettuce. It's not hard. There's no Beef Wellington Bel Grande or Doritos Locos Sushi."

Everyone, at some point, has to do something for the first time...
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Old 15th January 2020, 07:05 AM   #135
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Have they petitioned to have Gone with the Wind banned yet?


Norm

The story I heard was that it was presented as an issue at the time. He was allowed to say it, but it had to be "dontgivadam" rather than "Don give a damn", so as not to cause offence.
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The story I heard was that it was presented as an issue at the time. He was allowed to say it, but it had to be "dontgivadam" rather than "Don give a damn", so as not to cause offence.
True, and I don't think anyone was suggesting otherwise; however, society and the use of language have moved on in the subsequent 80 years.
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True, and I don't think anyone was suggesting otherwise; however, society and the use of language have moved on in the subsequent 80 years.

True. I was just trying to be interesting.

On the topic of the thread, four pages is an excess to devote to it.

I have considered the issue and find that those complaining are just a ******* bunch of ******* ***** who can **** off and find something worthwhile to do with their pointless ******* lives. The *****.
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True. I was just trying to be interesting.

On the topic of the thread, four pages is an excess to devote to it.

I have considered the issue and find that those complaining are just a ******* bunch of ******* ***** who can **** off and find something worthwhile to do with their pointless ******* lives. The *****.
I think it's kind of silly. Where is all this hate coming from? Is the idea that someone, somewhere, objects to the word "damn" in a hamburger ad really that enraging?
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Old 15th January 2020, 08:01 AM   #139
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I think it's kind of silly. Where is all this hate coming from? Is the idea that someone, somewhere, objects to the word "damn" in a hamburger ad really that enraging?

No. Swearing excessively while talking about someone who finds the word 'Damn' objectionable is funny.

I think it might be a US/UK thing. The word 'Damn', in my life, has never been censored. I could use it in front of my parents when I was very young. I just don't view it as a swear word. Therefore I find this amusing, because it's a storm in a teacup, and only slightly irritating from the 'you had a baby, it really, really, really doesn't make you special' angle.


Oh, and on the flip side, the word "piss" is something I would have been chastised for using when I was a kid. In the US, as far as I can tell, it's in common usage and not at all offensive.

Horses for courses.
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Oh, and on the flip side, the word "piss" is something I would have been chastised for using when I was a kid. In the US, as far as I can tell, it's in common usage and not at all offensive.
That one depends on context. If you use "piss" to refer to urination it's uncouth and if you're a child you'll likely be reprimanded. If however you use it in the context "pissed off", meaning angry, then it's much more acceptable (although children younger than teenagers will possibly not get a good reception from their parents).
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
True. I was just trying to be interesting.

On the topic of the thread, four pages is an excess to devote to it.

I have considered the issue and find that those complaining are just a ******* bunch of ******* ***** who can **** off and find something worthwhile to do with their pointless ******* lives. The *****.
Fair enough.
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That one depends on context. If you use "piss" to refer to urination it's uncouth and if you're a child you'll likely be reprimanded. If however you use it in the context "pissed off", meaning angry, then it's much more acceptable (although children younger than teenagers will possibly not get a good reception from their parents).
What about saying someone is "taking the piss"? Based on all the Youtube videos I watch with Brits, it would seem this is a very common phrase over there.
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What about saying someone is "taking the piss"? Based on all the Youtube videos I watch with Brits, it would seem this is a very common phrase over there.

True, but when I was young, in front of my parents and other adults, it would be bowlderised to 'Taking the mickey'
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Old 15th January 2020, 09:06 AM   #144
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No. Swearing excessively while talking about someone who finds the word 'Damn' objectionable is funny.

I think it might be a US/UK thing. The word 'Damn', in my life, has never been censored.

On US TV, if a character says "God damn it", it will usually air as "(silence) damn it".
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No. Swearing excessively while talking about someone who finds the word 'Damn' objectionable is funny.

I think it might be a US/UK thing. The word 'Damn', in my life, has never been censored. I could use it in front of my parents when I was very young. I just don't view it as a swear word. Therefore I find this amusing, because it's a storm in a teacup, and only slightly irritating from the 'you had a baby, it really, really, really doesn't make you special' angle.


Oh, and on the flip side, the word "piss" is something I would have been chastised for using when I was a kid. In the US, as far as I can tell, it's in common usage and not at all offensive.

Horses for courses.
I have all teenagers and they swear. We kind of have an unwritten rule in my house that you can swear but try to steer clear of the F bomb. Also, you can swear to and around the parents (my wife and I) but never at us.

i.e. "Kid, where are you?"
"I'm down stairs taking a ****"

Is perfectly acceptable. vs.

"You're not going out tonight, it's a school night."

"You're such a piece of ****"

Would be grounds for disciplinary action. Something in the phone takeaway range for a few days.
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I think it's kind of silly. Where is all this hate coming from? Is the idea that someone, somewhere, objects to the word "damn" in a hamburger ad really that enraging?
It is coming from resistance to a hateful, lying organization that repeatedly seeks to impose its extreme religious prohibitions on the rest of society. And their objection to the word "damn" in a hamburger commercial just illustrates the incredible narrowness of their thinking, the pettiness of their views, and the level of detail at which they seek to aggressively control other people's speech and expression.

It is amusing you ascribe "hate" to others but not to the Million Moms, one of the most hate-based organizations of which I am aware.

I do not "hate" the MM's - I find them threatening and an organization that needs to be watched and resisted. I am willing to make fun of them because that is one good way to resist and undermine stupidity. And although it is often easy to hate an organization that hates you, I am pretty sure that the 'profanity" in the quoted post was sarcasm not hate.

BTW: is this one of your "casual" arguments? I need to know how much effort I should commit to it. Thanks!
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On US TV, if a character says "God damn it", it will usually air as "(silence) damn it".
Pop song on the radio a few years back did that, too. Chorus included 'closing the God damn door' and only 'god' was masked. Kind of weird when you think about it.
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I have all teenagers and they swear. We kind of have an unwritten rule in my house that you can swear but try to steer clear of the F bomb. Also, you can swear to and around the parents (my wife and I) but never at us.

i.e. "Kid, where are you?"
"I'm down stairs taking a ****"

Is perfectly acceptable. vs.

"You're not going out tonight, it's a school night."

"You're such a piece of ****"

Would be grounds for disciplinary action. Something in the phone takeaway range for a few days.
When my kids were growing up I avoided the use of profanities (true profanities, not damn or hell) in my own speech. This was because I did not wish my kids to become so accustomed to these words that they would unthinkingly incorporate them into their own speech in inappropriate contexts: speaking publicly in a class room, talking to other adults, etc. I feel that use of profanities in these contexts leaves a bad impression on many listeners as to the intelligence of the speaker. It also can embarrass some listeners.

Perhaps not surprisingly, my kids by age 10 or less nonetheless acquired quite a dictionary-worth of profanities, including the most extreme ones, from their peers. Yet they were very dignified in their speech and did not use them except very rarely and typically just in discussions of the words themselves.

People seeking to protect children from learning these "forbidden" words are generally seeking to sweep back the tide with a broom. It is better to teach them about use of these words rather than hope they will never acquire them.
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One Million Moms at RationalWiki.

Quote:
Seventeen Angry Dipsticks[1] One Dozen Shrews One Million Moms is a small advocacy group for social conservatism, created by—and a front group for—the American Family Association.
May as well link to the AFA page as well.
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One Million Moms at RationalWiki.



May as well link to the AFA page as well.
LOL.

May as well link to Urban Dictionary.
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What about saying someone is "taking the piss"? Based on all the Youtube videos I watch with Brits, it would seem this is a very common phrase over there.
I'm American. We don't use that phrase here. It would most likely be misinterpreted to mean someone's urinating.
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You have obviously never worked behind a counter in the USA.

We are really mostly that stupid.
Yes! I was asked for a Whopper. I was behind the counter in the library!
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Not defending the complaint, but the idea that "Damn that's good" is included in a fast food ad does slightly remind me of the decay of decorum noted in the opening scene of Idiocracy when the restaurant name Fuddruckers devolves into "Butt****ers"
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Pop song on the radio a few years back did that, too. Chorus included 'closing the God damn door' and only 'god' was masked. Kind of weird when you think about it.
For certain values of "a few years". . . That song ("I Write Sins Not Tragedies" by Panic! at the Disco) was released in 2005.
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For certain values of "a few years". . . That song ("I Write Sins Not Tragedies" by Panic! at the Disco) was released in 2005.
Damn, that was longer ago than I realized.
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