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Old 16th January 2020, 08:02 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Rolfe View Post
At one level. At another level it's an interesting example of how acceptance of self-ID has the potential to make it a lot easier for abusers to access vulnerable victims without being challenged.
Not anymore easier than when it's just their age that they are lying about, since it would not have made much difference if they had just been a 21 year old man.
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Old 16th January 2020, 03:07 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
When you consent to sex, you don't have to consent to anything and everything that falls under that category. You can consent to specific acts and not to other acts. For example, you can consent to be penetrated in one orifice but not in another. You can consent to penetration by the other person's genitals, but not by a sex toy.

If they are female pretending to be male, they cannot penetrate you with their genitals, they can only do so with a sex toy masquerading as genitals. This may be a crime (note Hungry81 used a conditional here too), because they may have committed a sex act to which you did not consent.
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It's about informed consent, knowingly concealing something means the other person can't give informed consent. There have been some cases prosecuted based on this.

Um, thanks for the agreement?
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Old 17th January 2020, 12:19 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
Um, thanks for the agreement?
I was just adding to what you said, to remind folk the consent needs to be informed.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
There is no indication in any of the reports that the parents who were fooled weren't fooled. I am sure a parent of a young teenager would be very concerned if their daughter is saying she is dating a boy but you know he is a she.
This issue has been bugging me for days. Females can disguise themselves as males and not get immediately detected. Even if they come into contact with people who have vested interests in exposing this fact. It has been done many times. So it is no reflection on the parents intelligence for their failure to detect the correct gender of this woman.

Here is a referenece that lists some examples https://www.bustle.com/articles/1127...-back-then-was
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Old 22nd January 2020, 04:23 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
I was just adding to what you said, to remind folk the consent needs to be informed.
Oh, I thought that inherently followed what I said, but yeah, the way I wrote was not as clear as needed.

My bad.
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Old 22nd January 2020, 05:52 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
This issue has been bugging me for days. Females can disguise themselves as males and not get immediately detected. Even if they come into contact with people who have vested interests in exposing this fact. It has been done many times. So it is no reflection on the parents intelligence for their failure to detect the correct gender of this woman.

Here is a referenece that lists some examples https://www.bustle.com/articles/1127...-back-then-was
A really interesting read at the link!
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Old 24th January 2020, 11:12 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
This issue has been bugging me for days. Females can disguise themselves as males and not get immediately detected. Even if they come into contact with people who have vested interests in exposing this fact. It has been done many times. So it is no reflection on the parents intelligence for their failure to detect the correct gender of this woman.

Here is a referenece that lists some examples https://www.bustle.com/articles/1127...-back-then-was
Yes this is a most troubling issue and a significant cause of concern. Imagine if you were hooking up with what you thought was a pretty and girlish teenage boy, only for them to show up as a 21 year old woman!

It's a wonder why we have not experienced a deluge of "reverse gay-panic" defenses in homicide trials.
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