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13th November 2012, 05:21 AM | #81 |
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I don't think this attitude is confined to this country.
Can you name a country with a different attitude? Is there any country in the world where males and females of all ages routinely encounter each other naked in non-sexual situations? Where bathrooms or shower facilities are not segregated by gender? |
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In my experience, the gender of the adult is what determines what facilities to use. Three year olds are basically neutral in gender.
There are very few people who worry about their small children seeing naked adults or being seen naked by adults. If they are still small enough that they cannot go unaccompanied into a public restroom or locker room, then it probably doesn't matter. That isn't the issue here. The issue is that there's a girl with a penis insisting on hanging out in a place where there are naked women and girls, and that creeps people out a bit. And, there are some people who can't get over the fact that if they see a penis, they think there might be a man attached to that penis. I know. I know. But it's hard to overcome centuries of ignorance. |
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They probably think the world ought to stop on its axis to cater to them. When in history did we become such pushovers for parents? Just because somebody popped out a miniature human we're supposed to always, always, always think of them? If the delicate little angels are too delicate for the pool maybe they just shouldn't be brought there. Locker rooms = nudity. Nude people = some anatomical surprises. This is reality. Parents who insist on shielding their children from reality at all times and all places are out of luck. Or they can build their own pool for tender children only, with individual locker rooms for each child, with their names on them! In glitter!
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13th November 2012, 06:32 AM | #92 |
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I have lived in Korea for about 15 years and they are nuttier about nudity than the States.
I remember seeing a documentary on a New Guienian Tribe where the males wore traditional penis sheaths. Although they cover almost nothing I remember they stated that they felt terribly naked without them. All the far forward progressives on here love to rail on about how they are immune to cultural norms have yet to post nude photos of themselves. |
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Not caring about being around naked people has nothing to do with not posting private and forbidden pictures at the demands of ********.
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13th November 2012, 08:09 AM | #94 |
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You could as well as wear a tshirt "i am a TS/TG" which hark back to the issue of it potentially being a problem due to bigot attacking them/murdering them/ostracizing them.
The real solution is to have individual changing "single" cabine. Then your age, gender, sex, do not matter at all. But that is expansive. |
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As an aside, I didn't realize until recently that there are places that have changing stations in the women's room but not the men's. I just assumed that anywhere I didn't see one in the men's, there wasn't one in the women's. To my credit, at least locally it does seem to be the case. It is where I work, and at the Mall, and all the big box stores in the area.
When I found out it wasn't the norm I got curious and started asking friends I was with. I know some of you were worried that I was peaking into the women's bathroom, but we all know that would be terribly wrong. |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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The problem with taking very young children to public pools is their lack of bowel and bladder control.
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This, primarily; also, their excessive vulnerability to injury, coupled with a large crowd and a big concrete hole full of water's excessive capability of causing injury. Even if you use water diapers, like driving a car, it's the other people you have to really worry about.
Too much of a chance for injury and accident; a higher-than-otherwise chance for disease. Wait until they're older. Meantime you'll have to live without a pool; millions do it their whole lives without ill effect. Have them run through a lawn sprinkler or sommat. |
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Every municipal facility I've been at that allows toddlers confines them to a less dangerous area, like a kiddie pool or splash fountain, but they share a common dressing and showering area.
But toddlers aren't really an issue. They go into the dressing room with the parent that is with them. They are sexless, so it really doesn't matter what room they're in. When they are older, things get a little bit trickier. |
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I like DreamingNaiad's idea of closing off the locker room to adults for 10 minutes while they change.
It's not the actual trans people I worry about; it's those would would pass themselves off as trans people. Yeah, but a man wouldn't have to do all that just to use a bathroom or locker room. They could put on a wig, make-up, dress or other feminine-stereotyped clothing, stuff a bra for chest, etc. A lot of work, but there are those who would find it worth it. As the law presently stands, the person's use of the gendered facilities is not contingent on their psychologists' opinions or whether they've got a prescription for hormones or surgery or legal sex change, but on their stated gender identity. I understand that trans people face a lot of complicated situations and dangers from being around men, and that it's not as simple as "go use the men's room". I don't believe the concern is based off an irrational fear of trans people, but on a rational fear of the fraction of men who would exploit the flexible interpretation of the rule. Requiring a legal gender change would resolve this issue (by largely screening out men faking a trans status without requiring something absurdly invasive like extensive psychological/endocrinological paperwork checks for those who raise flags, translating to those who don't pass well), except that it would exclude people during the real-life test. |
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Did Mercurial Artism say they were in there to assault women or just as a voyeur?
If the latter, they probably wouldn't even get caught... |
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Once it's cut off then you can use the girls' locker room.
Until then, if it comes down to the psychological health of an adult vs. a child, I'll go with the child. |
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When they get older, it's trickier? Why? I figure at around the age of 7 or 8, they wouldn't necessarily need much help anymore, but I am going to definitely supervise them. I don't care who people think they are. If I want to take my children to a public gym or pool, I am going to accompany them. Whether or not they have "sexless" or "family" locker rooms, or male-only/female-only locker rooms. I am taking my kids where I want to take my kids. And yes, I do fully intend on introducing my children to water at the earliest possible time.
Obviously, if they have a "sexless" or "family" locker rooms, I will use those over any others. In case a facility is lacking in those rooms, I will take my kids into the appropriate locker room. If I have a girl, I will probably take them into the male locker room if she is under....say....3. And if older than 3, I'll take her into the female locker room. Of course, I will alert the staff of the facility that I have a little girl with me first, because I am fully aware of people like checkmite that exist out there that would have have me immediately arrested and thrown into jail. But at least there is this neat little thing called "due process" in this country. It is ridiculous that someone would make such a statement: Not sure a public pool is an appropriate place to take a toddler. Particularly not if you're not the same sex as the child and therefore can't accompany them into the appropriate changing room; but generally speaking as well. I guess I am lucky that I have twin boys, instead of a girl. I just might get hauled off in handcuffs for having the GALL to take my kid into a changing room with me. Jeez. Once again, no wonder the rest of the world thinks Americans are nuts. *SIGH* ^ This! Times a million! I will say, I've heard people actually JOKE about doing that. But never in my life have I ever heard about anyone actually seriously considering it. If they did, they are probably mentally unstable, and probably would do it anyway no matter what the "rules" or "laws" are in place. It's not like locker rooms have security guards sitting in front of them and are gated.... |
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So acording to you, this person should be using the Men's Locker Room?
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