[Continuation] Brexit: Now What? The Perfect 10. - Page 11

zooterkin · 24th July 2020, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Apparently the U.K. could require foreign states to name their spies operating in the country on a government register
https://trib.al/KmU2lLz

Meanwhile Priti Patel says all burglars must wear striped tops and masks carrying a bag marked “swag”

Not as daft as you make it sound. Australia and the US already have similar legislation. I doubt they expect all spies to be declared, but any that are not registered and then discovered can be dealt with by prosecution and/or deportation.

Ulf Nereng · 24th July 2020, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

How about

"There'll be be be blue clouds (of diesel) over
The white cliffs of Dover"

?

The road is long
With many a lorry park
That leads us to you know where
You know where

Ulf Nereng · 24th July 2020, 03:51 PM

(Lorry driver song!)

Many borders to cross
But I can't seem to find my way over
Paperwork just sucks
As I'm parked along the white cliffs of Dover
Many borders to cross
And it's only my lunch that keeps me alive
I've been licked, washed up for years
And I merely survive because of my pride
And this loneliness won't leave me alone
It's such a drag to be on your own
We left the EU and I don't know why
Well I guess, I have to try

(Sorry, I'm in a strange mood right now)

Captain_Swoop · 25th July 2020, 03:31 AM

Boris has quietly scrapped manifesto plans to set up a 'Constitution, Democracy and Human Rights Commission'.
Instead he is forming an 'expert panel' of advisers in the Cabinet Office to look at the role of Judicial Review with a view to curbing courts 'interference' in politics and their powers to "conduct politics by another means"

Wonder who he will put on his 'panel'?

Captain_Swoop · 25th July 2020, 03:32 AM

This Cummings government has almost total control of the democratic institutions, except the independent Judiciary. It is going to use the summer recess to destroy that.
It can then do whatever it wants without checks.

The Tory Reich

Squeegee Beckenheim · 25th July 2020, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Boris has quietly scrapped manifesto plans to set up a 'Constitution, Democracy and Human Rights Commission'.
Instead he is forming an 'expert panel' of advisers in the Cabinet Office to look at the role of Judicial Review with a view to curbing courts 'interference' in politics and their powers to "conduct politics by another means"

Wonder who he will put on his 'panel'?

Or, to put it another way, the revenge against the Supreme Court begins here.

P.J. Denyer · 25th July 2020, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

This Cummings government has almost total control of the democratic institutions, except the independent Judiciary. It is going to use the summer recess to destroy that.
It can then do whatever it wants without checks.

The Tory Reich

Well the Tory Party is the political arm of an establishment that ultimately goes back to titles doled out by William the Conqueror. So how long is that?...

The Don · 25th July 2020, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

Well the Tory Party is the political arm of an establishment that ultimately goes back to titles doled out by William the Conqueror. So how long is that?...

Close to a thousand years

P.J. Denyer · 25th July 2020, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

Close to a thousand years

I can't help but feel that number is somehow significant....

The Don · 25th July 2020, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

I can't help but feel that number is somehow significant....

You're reich, I mean right.

Vixen · 26th July 2020, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng

(Lorry driver song!)

Many borders to cross
But I can't seem to find my way over
Paperwork just sucks
As I'm parked along the white cliffs of Dover
Many borders to cross
And it's only my lunch that keeps me alive
I've been licked, washed up for years
And I merely survive because of my pride
And this loneliness won't leave me alone
It's such a drag to be on your own
We left the EU and I don't know why
Well I guess, I have to try

(Sorry, I'm in a strange mood right now)

While we're on the road
To where? Who knows where!
But the load doesn't weigh me down at all
He's fricking heavy he's our PM.

I'm going now.

Captain_Swoop · 26th July 2020, 03:31 AM

Andrea Jenkyns thinks that trading with the EU solely on WTO terms will be a great thing.
She can't name which other countries do this though.
The list is Cuba, Venezuela, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia, North Korea...

The Don · 26th July 2020, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Andrea Jenkyns thinks that trading with the EU solely on WTO terms will be a great thing.
She can't name which other countries do this though.
The list is Cuba, Venezuela, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia, North Korea...

It's worked well enough for Russia, they had enough spare cash to fund at least two Brexit organisations

P.J. Denyer · 26th July 2020, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

You're reich, I mean right.

Wudang · 27th July 2020, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

You're reich, I mean right.

Well played gentlemen both.

The Don · 28th July 2020, 11:24 PM

Missed this from a month ago but A Different Bias Youtube video brought this to my attention.

Quote:

The pound is now an emerging-market currency in all but name, according to analysts at Bank of America, who say that Brexit has turned it into a mirror of the “small and shrinking” UK economy.

https://www.ft.com/content/4fd04fd9-...1-97466f226159

This isn't new to Remoaners like me but surely this should be some kind of wake-up call to the Government ?

So much Brexit good news

Quote:

But on-off trade talks between the UK and the EU have hurt sentiment towards the pound. The possibility of the Bank of England pursuing negative interest rates has also curbed the currency’s rally — as has the country’s ballooning fiscal deficit following a huge increase in spending to alleviate the worst effects of coronavirus.

Headwinds are continuing to build for sterling, said Mr Sharma, given the year-end deadline for finalising the EU trade relationship and the country’s persistent current account deficit.

“We believe sterling is in the process of evolving into a currency that resembles the underlying reality of the British economy: small and shrinking with a growing dual deficit problem similar to more liquid [emerging market] currencies,” he said.

Ulf Nereng · 29th July 2020, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

Missed this from a month ago but A Different Bias Youtube video brought this to my attention.

https://www.ft.com/content/4fd04fd9-...1-97466f226159

This isn't new to Remoaners like me but surely this should be some kind of wake-up call to the Government ?

So much Brexit good news

Doesn't "emerging market" sort of indicate that it is growing, becoming more important? They need a new term, methinks.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 30th July 2020, 02:15 AM

If only there had been some kind of project to warn people. But I fear not.

The Don · 30th July 2020, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

https://i.imgur.com/VuA7Pe3.png?1

If only there had been some kind of project to warn people. But I fear not.

Brexit voters aren't going to get away that easily

That looks like something that whatever ~~party~~ business Nigel Farage is currently shilling for would have produced. I presume that the subtext is that had he been in charge of the negotiations, it would have been the easiest deal in history - instead the Conservative Party's lack of commitment to the cause has resulted in this failure.

If Brexit voters voted for having all the benefits of EU membership but none of the responsibilities, then they are as culpable as the people who promised them that it was possible.

P.J. Denyer · 30th July 2020, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

https://i.imgur.com/VuA7Pe3.png?1

If only there had been some kind of project to warn people. But I fear not.

Wait so "We were lying but when they told the same lies we thought they were telling the truth" has replaced "We knew we were lying but your side was telling the truth when we said you were lying and so this is what we knowingly voted for" as the official ~~excuse~~ line?

The steps of the Self Harm Tango are so damn complicated.

Mojo · 30th July 2020, 04:48 AM

Brexit: Boris Johnson faces Eurotunnel test

Quote:

Unless there is an overarching deal with one body responsible for legal disputes regarding the entire 30-mile (50km) tunnel there will be chaos, insiders say.

The Don · 30th July 2020, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

Brexit: Boris Johnson faces Eurotunnel test

Quote:

~~Unless there is an overarching deal with one body responsible for legal disputes regarding the entire 30-mile (50km) tunnel~~ there will be chaos~~, insiders say~~.

FTFY

Mojo · 30th July 2020, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Brexit voters aren't going to get away that easily

That looks like something that whatever ~~party~~ business Nigel Farage is currently shilling for would have produced. I presume that the subtext is that had he been in charge of the negotiations, it would have been the easiest deal in history - instead the Conservative Party's lack of commitment to the cause has resulted in this failure.

If Brexit voters voted for having all the benefits of EU membership but none of the responsibilities, then they are as culpable as the people who promised them that it was possible.

If only the Tories had put Brexiteers in charge of the Foreign Office, the Department for International Trade and the Department for Exiting the European Union, I’m sure we would have a marvellous deal in place by now.

Lukraak_Sisser · 30th July 2020, 05:37 AM

We voted to have our cake and eat it to and it's everyone eles fault we're not getting that.
What is it with the English idea that if people vote for it it MUST happen?

The Don · 30th July 2020, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

If only the Tories had put Brexiteers in charge of the Foreign Office, the Department for International Trade and the Department for Exiting the European Union, I’m sure we would have a marvellous deal in place by now.

The trouble is that they were undermined by their civil servants (which is why the civil service must be reformed), Conservatives who weren't behind Brexit, the opposition parties, and the 48% of people who voted Remain.

If only everyone in the UK had wanted it badly enough then the EU would have buckled and the UK would have got the deal we ~~demanded~~ ~~wanted~~ ~~requested~~ deserved.

P.J. Denyer · 30th July 2020, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

The trouble is that they were undermined by their civil servants (which is why the civil service must be reformed), Conservatives who weren't behind Brexit, the opposition parties, and the 48% of people who voted Remain.

If only everyone in the UK had wanted it badly enough then the EU would have buckled and the UK would have got the deal we ~~demanded~~ ~~wanted~~ ~~requested~~ deserved.

I think the problem is that we will.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 30th July 2020, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Brexit voters aren't going to get away that easily

That looks like something that whatever ~~party~~ business Nigel Farage is currently shilling for would have produced. I presume that the subtext is that had he been in charge of the negotiations, it would have been the easiest deal in history - instead the Conservative Party's lack of commitment to the cause has resulted in this failure.

If Brexit voters voted for having all the benefits of EU membership but none of the responsibilities, then they are as culpable as the people who promised them that it was possible.

Yes "the obvious lies, told by people who are well-known liars, turned out to be lies!" isn't much of a defence, really.

Jack by the hedge · 30th July 2020, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

We voted to have our cake and eat it to and it's everyone eles fault we're not getting that.
What is it with the English idea that if people vote for it it MUST happen?

Well there was that unfortunate promise made by the then prime minister that whatever people voted for they would do. Of course he didn't imagine there was any real risk the people would be mad enough to vote for magic cake.

But over the coming year or so I expect we'll see a variety of excuses for why the chumps who voted for magic cake weren't in any way to blame when it turns out the cake is a lie.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 30th July 2020, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

Well there was that unfortunate promise made by the then prime minister that whatever people voted for they would do. Of course he didn't imagine there was any real risk the people would be mad enough to vote for magic cake.

He might have had some inkling, since he only said it would be abided by, rather than making it actually binding. Then he saw catastrophe coming and went "oh well, not my problem, ta-ra!"

ceptimus · 30th July 2020, 02:59 PM

The tunnel is owned by Getlink - a French company, so it makes sense for any internal disputes regarding tunnel operation to be decided by the ECJ.

The British will, of course, reserve the right to stop all traffic and passengers entering and leaving the tunnel at the British end if they are sufficiently unhappy with any ECJ rulings - and the ECJ will have no power to prevent that.

It's no different to the way foreign airlines operate in and out of airports in independent countries. It's just the usual nonsense from remain supporters trying to imagine problems where internationally accepted solutions have already existed for decades or centuries.

Lothian · 31st July 2020, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by ceptimus

The tunnel is owned by Getlink - a French company, so it makes sense for any internal disputes regarding tunnel operation to be decided by the ECJ.

The British will, of course, reserve the right to stop all traffic and passengers entering and leaving the tunnel at the British end if they are sufficiently unhappy with any ECJ rulings - and the ECJ will have no power to prevent that.

It's no different to the way foreign airlines operate in and out of airports in independent countries. It's just the usual nonsense from remain supporters trying to imagine problems where internationally accepted solutions have already existed for decades or centuries.

Has this change you outline been announced? I missed it. Previously all UK checks were done in France and vice versa, in order to avoid delays on arrival and to reduce the problem of illegal immigrants entering Britain. We didn't let them on trains.

Are we now abandoning that internationally accepted solution and will instead have checks and delays in the UK and the evil French loading illegals onto trains for us to deal with?

Mojo · 31st July 2020, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Yes "the obvious lies, told by people who are well-known liars, that we were told were lies, turned out to be lies!" isn't much of a defence, really.

FTFY

Squeegee Beckenheim · 31st July 2020, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

FTFY

I honestly can't make sense of that sentence now. What are you trying to say?

Captain_Swoop · 31st July 2020, 07:49 AM

Remember folks, it's the EU that's the undemocratic institution.

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The Don · 31st July 2020, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

I honestly can't make sense of that sentence now. What are you trying to say?

That not only were the lies obvious, and the people telling them known liars, but it was repeatedly made clear that lies were being told ?

Gulliver Foyle · 31st July 2020, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Boris has quietly scrapped manifesto plans to set up a 'Constitution, Democracy and Human Rights Commission'.
Instead he is forming an 'expert panel' of advisers in the Cabinet Office to look at the role of Judicial Review with a view to curbing courts 'interference' in politics and their powers to "conduct politics by another means"

Wonder who he will put on his 'panel'?

Cominic Dummings and Joris Bohnson, the two "Nissan executives" that told him earlier in the year that the company would drop it's European markets in a no deal brexit scenario.

catsmate · 31st July 2020, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by ceptimus

The tunnel is owned by Getlink - a French company, so it makes sense for any internal disputes regarding tunnel operation to be decided by the ECJ.

The British will, of course, reserve the right to stop all traffic and passengers entering and leaving the tunnel at the British end if they are sufficiently unhappy with any ECJ rulings - and the ECJ will have no power to prevent that.

Sigh. Then France complains to the EU and sanctions are imposed on the tattered remnants of the UK economy.
There's also the teeny matter of the Treaty of Canterbury but I wouldn;t expect a Brexiteer to understand that, let alone comprehend the niceties of international relations.

Originally Posted by ceptimus

It's no different to the way foreign airlines operate in and out of airports in independent countries. It's just the usual nonsense from remain supporters trying to imagine problems where internationally accepted solutions have already existed for decades or centuries.

Sigh. Yes it is different. You may not want to accept this uncomfortable reality, but it is.

catsmate · 31st July 2020, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

That not only were the lies obvious, and the people telling them known liars, but it was repeatedly made clear that lies were being told ?

Because the whole Brexit nonsense appealed to the 3Ds, i.e.the UK's equivalent of Trumpettes.
Those too Dumb to realise that they were being told a rather obvious pack of lies, mixed with fear and dislike of those more skilled, intelligent and educated than they.
Those Desperate enough to believe any nonsense because their communities had been devastated by economic decay and they needed someone (Europeans, immigrants, small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri) else to blame.
The Deplorables; the racists, Little Englanders, xenophobes and general bigots.

abaddon · 31st July 2020, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Because the whole Brexit nonsense appealed to the 3Ds, i.e.the UK's equivalent of Trumpettes.

Let us consider that.

Originally Posted by catsmate

Those too Dumb to realise that they were being told a rather obvious pack of lies, mixed with fear and dislike of those more skilled, intelligent and educated than they.

Fear? Or jealousy? It is merely the extension of the English class system. It is endemic in English society. If you take the time to rise from the lower classes and obtain an education, then you must be torn down.

Originally Posted by catsmate

Those Desperate enough to believe any nonsense because their communities had been devastated by economic decay and they needed someone (Europeans, immigrants, small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri) else to blame.

And when they achieve that, what will be the next excuse for failure? The UK depends on an army of brown people to bolster their economy. What will happen when they ban them?

Originally Posted by catsmate

The Deplorables; the racists, Little Englanders, xenophobes and general bigots.

That would be the folks who still think they have an EMPIRE. Or that they even matter a whole lot. Those are wingnuts.

Captain_Swoop · 31st July 2020, 05:51 PM

Boris has given Jo his Remain-supporting younger brother, who quit as a minister last year in protest at government policy a peerage.

24th July 2020, 02:20 PM	#401
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 48,342	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Apparently the U.K. could require foreign states to name their spies operating in the country on a government register https://trib.al/KmU2lLz Meanwhile Priti Patel says all burglars must wear striped tops and masks carrying a bag marked “swag” Not as daft as you make it sound. Australia and the US already have similar legislation. I doubt they expect all spies to be declared, but any that are not registered and then discovered can be dealt with by prosecution and/or deportation.
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25th July 2020, 03:43 AM	#406
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,224	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Boris has quietly scrapped manifesto plans to set up a 'Constitution, Democracy and Human Rights Commission'. Instead he is forming an 'expert panel' of advisers in the Cabinet Office to look at the role of Judicial Review with a view to curbing courts 'interference' in politics and their powers to "conduct politics by another means" Wonder who he will put on his 'panel'? Or, to put it another way, the revenge against the Supreme Court begins here.
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25th July 2020, 08:44 AM	#407
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,818	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop This Cummings government has almost total control of the democratic institutions, except the independent Judiciary. It is going to use the summer recess to destroy that. It can then do whatever it wants without checks. The Tory Reich Well the Tory Party is the political arm of an establishment that ultimately goes back to titles doled out by William the Conqueror. So how long is that?...
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25th July 2020, 04:11 PM	#409
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,818	Originally Posted by The Don Close to a thousand years I can't help but feel that number is somehow significant....
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26th July 2020, 12:03 AM	#411
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 20,725	Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng (Lorry driver song!) Many borders to cross But I can't seem to find my way over Paperwork just sucks As I'm parked along the white cliffs of Dover Many borders to cross And it's only my lunch that keeps me alive I've been licked, washed up for years And I merely survive because of my pride And this loneliness won't leave me alone It's such a drag to be on your own We left the EU and I don't know why Well I guess, I have to try (Sorry, I'm in a strange mood right now) While we're on the road To where? Who knows where! But the load doesn't weigh me down at all He's fricking heavy he's our PM. I'm going now.
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24th July 2020, 03:38 PM	#402
Ulf Nereng Muse Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Norway Posts: 570	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer How about "There'll be be be blue clouds (of diesel) over The white cliffs of Dover" ? The road is long With many a lorry park That leads us to you know where You know where

24th July 2020, 03:51 PM	#403
Ulf Nereng Muse Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Norway Posts: 570	(Lorry driver song!) Many borders to cross But I can't seem to find my way over Paperwork just sucks As I'm parked along the white cliffs of Dover Many borders to cross And it's only my lunch that keeps me alive I've been licked, washed up for years And I merely survive because of my pride And this loneliness won't leave me alone It's such a drag to be on your own We left the EU and I don't know why Well I guess, I have to try (Sorry, I'm in a strange mood right now)

25th July 2020, 03:31 AM	#404
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,820	Boris has quietly scrapped manifesto plans to set up a 'Constitution, Democracy and Human Rights Commission'. Instead he is forming an 'expert panel' of advisers in the Cabinet Office to look at the role of Judicial Review with a view to curbing courts 'interference' in politics and their powers to "conduct politics by another means" Wonder who he will put on his 'panel'?

25th July 2020, 03:32 AM	#405
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,820	This Cummings government has almost total control of the democratic institutions, except the independent Judiciary. It is going to use the summer recess to destroy that. It can then do whatever it wants without checks. The Tory Reich

25th July 2020, 01:26 PM	#408
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,318	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer Well the Tory Party is the political arm of an establishment that ultimately goes back to titles doled out by William the Conqueror. So how long is that?... Close to a thousand years

25th July 2020, 11:09 PM	#410
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,318	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer I can't help but feel that number is somehow significant.... You're reich, I mean right.

26th July 2020, 03:31 AM	#412
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,820	Andrea Jenkyns thinks that trading with the EU solely on WTO terms will be a great thing. She can't name which other countries do this though. The list is Cuba, Venezuela, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia, North Korea...

26th July 2020, 03:48 AM	#413
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,318	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Andrea Jenkyns thinks that trading with the EU solely on WTO terms will be a great thing. She can't name which other countries do this though. The list is Cuba, Venezuela, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia, North Korea... It's worked well enough for Russia, they had enough spare cash to fund at least two Brexit organisations

26th July 2020, 04:10 AM	#414
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,818	Originally Posted by The Don You're reich, I mean right.
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27th July 2020, 06:58 PM	#415
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,463	Originally Posted by The Don You're reich, I mean right. Well played gentlemen both.
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28th July 2020, 11:24 PM	#416
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,318	Missed this from a month ago but A Different Bias Youtube video brought this to my attention. Quote: The pound is now an emerging-market currency in all but name, according to analysts at Bank of America, who say that Brexit has turned it into a mirror of the “small and shrinking” UK economy. https://www.ft.com/content/4fd04fd9-...1-97466f226159 This isn't new to Remoaners like me but surely this should be some kind of wake-up call to the Government ? So much Brexit good news Quote: But on-off trade talks between the UK and the EU have hurt sentiment towards the pound. The possibility of the Bank of England pursuing negative interest rates has also curbed the currency’s rally — as has the country’s ballooning fiscal deficit following a huge increase in spending to alleviate the worst effects of coronavirus. Headwinds are continuing to build for sterling, said Mr Sharma, given the year-end deadline for finalising the EU trade relationship and the country’s persistent current account deficit. “We believe sterling is in the process of evolving into a currency that resembles the underlying reality of the British economy: small and shrinking with a growing dual deficit problem similar to more liquid [emerging market] currencies,” he said.

29th July 2020, 04:57 PM	#417
Ulf Nereng Muse Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Norway Posts: 570	Originally Posted by The Don Missed this from a month ago but A Different Bias Youtube video brought this to my attention. https://www.ft.com/content/4fd04fd9-...1-97466f226159 This isn't new to Remoaners like me but surely this should be some kind of wake-up call to the Government ? So much Brexit good news Doesn't "emerging market" sort of indicate that it is growing, becoming more important? They need a new term, methinks.

30th July 2020, 02:15 AM	#418
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,224	If only there had been some kind of project to warn people. But I fear not.
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30th July 2020, 02:32 AM	#419
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,318	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim https://i.imgur.com/VuA7Pe3.png?1 If only there had been some kind of project to warn people. But I fear not. Brexit voters aren't going to get away that easily That looks like something that whatever ~~party~~ business Nigel Farage is currently shilling for would have produced. I presume that the subtext is that had he been in charge of the negotiations, it would have been the easiest deal in history - instead the Conservative Party's lack of commitment to the cause has resulted in this failure. If Brexit voters voted for having all the benefits of EU membership but none of the responsibilities, then they are as culpable as the people who promised them that it was possible.

30th July 2020, 03:18 AM	#420
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,818	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim https://i.imgur.com/VuA7Pe3.png?1 If only there had been some kind of project to warn people. But I fear not. Wait so "We were lying but when they told the same lies we thought they were telling the truth" has replaced "We knew we were lying but your side was telling the truth when we said you were lying and so this is what we knowingly voted for" as the official ~~excuse~~ line? The steps of the Self Harm Tango are so damn complicated.
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30th July 2020, 04:48 AM	#421
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 33,712	Brexit: Boris Johnson faces Eurotunnel test Quote: Unless there is an overarching deal with one body responsible for legal disputes regarding the entire 30-mile (50km) tunnel there will be chaos, insiders say.
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30th July 2020, 05:17 AM	#422
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,318	Originally Posted by Mojo Brexit: Boris Johnson faces Eurotunnel test Quote: ~~Unless there is an overarching deal with one body responsible for legal disputes regarding the entire 30-mile (50km) tunnel~~ there will be chaos~~, insiders say~~. FTFY
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30th July 2020, 05:34 AM	#423
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 33,712	Originally Posted by The Don Brexit voters aren't going to get away that easily That looks like something that whatever ~~party~~ business Nigel Farage is currently shilling for would have produced. I presume that the subtext is that had he been in charge of the negotiations, it would have been the easiest deal in history - instead the Conservative Party's lack of commitment to the cause has resulted in this failure. If Brexit voters voted for having all the benefits of EU membership but none of the responsibilities, then they are as culpable as the people who promised them that it was possible. If only the Tories had put Brexiteers in charge of the Foreign Office, the Department for International Trade and the Department for Exiting the European Union, I’m sure we would have a marvellous deal in place by now.
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30th July 2020, 05:37 AM	#424
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,957	We voted to have our cake and eat it to and it's everyone eles fault we're not getting that. What is it with the English idea that if people vote for it it MUST happen?

30th July 2020, 05:45 AM	#425
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,318	Originally Posted by Mojo If only the Tories had put Brexiteers in charge of the Foreign Office, the Department for International Trade and the Department for Exiting the European Union, I’m sure we would have a marvellous deal in place by now. The trouble is that they were undermined by their civil servants (which is why the civil service must be reformed), Conservatives who weren't behind Brexit, the opposition parties, and the 48% of people who voted Remain. If only everyone in the UK had wanted it badly enough then the EU would have buckled and the UK would have got the deal we ~~demanded~~ ~~wanted~~ ~~requested~~ deserved.

30th July 2020, 06:24 AM	#426
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,818	Originally Posted by The Don The trouble is that they were undermined by their civil servants (which is why the civil service must be reformed), Conservatives who weren't behind Brexit, the opposition parties, and the 48% of people who voted Remain. If only everyone in the UK had wanted it badly enough then the EU would have buckled and the UK would have got the deal we ~~demanded~~ ~~wanted~~ ~~requested~~ deserved. I think the problem is that we will.
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30th July 2020, 08:52 AM	#427
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,224	Originally Posted by The Don Brexit voters aren't going to get away that easily That looks like something that whatever ~~party~~ business Nigel Farage is currently shilling for would have produced. I presume that the subtext is that had he been in charge of the negotiations, it would have been the easiest deal in history - instead the Conservative Party's lack of commitment to the cause has resulted in this failure. If Brexit voters voted for having all the benefits of EU membership but none of the responsibilities, then they are as culpable as the people who promised them that it was possible. Yes "the obvious lies, told by people who are well-known liars, turned out to be lies!" isn't much of a defence, really.
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30th July 2020, 10:02 AM	#428
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,852	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser We voted to have our cake and eat it to and it's everyone eles fault we're not getting that. What is it with the English idea that if people vote for it it MUST happen? Well there was that unfortunate promise made by the then prime minister that whatever people voted for they would do. Of course he didn't imagine there was any real risk the people would be mad enough to vote for magic cake. But over the coming year or so I expect we'll see a variety of excuses for why the chumps who voted for magic cake weren't in any way to blame when it turns out the cake is a lie.

30th July 2020, 10:42 AM	#429
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,224	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge Well there was that unfortunate promise made by the then prime minister that whatever people voted for they would do. Of course he didn't imagine there was any real risk the people would be mad enough to vote for magic cake. He might have had some inkling, since he only said it would be abided by, rather than making it actually binding. Then he saw catastrophe coming and went "oh well, not my problem, ta-ra!"
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30th July 2020, 02:59 PM	#430
ceptimus puzzler Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,460	The tunnel is owned by Getlink - a French company, so it makes sense for any internal disputes regarding tunnel operation to be decided by the ECJ. The British will, of course, reserve the right to stop all traffic and passengers entering and leaving the tunnel at the British end if they are sufficiently unhappy with any ECJ rulings - and the ECJ will have no power to prevent that. It's no different to the way foreign airlines operate in and out of airports in independent countries. It's just the usual nonsense from remain supporters trying to imagine problems where internationally accepted solutions have already existed for decades or centuries.
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31st July 2020, 12:42 AM	#431
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 16,069	Originally Posted by ceptimus The tunnel is owned by Getlink - a French company, so it makes sense for any internal disputes regarding tunnel operation to be decided by the ECJ. The British will, of course, reserve the right to stop all traffic and passengers entering and leaving the tunnel at the British end if they are sufficiently unhappy with any ECJ rulings - and the ECJ will have no power to prevent that. It's no different to the way foreign airlines operate in and out of airports in independent countries. It's just the usual nonsense from remain supporters trying to imagine problems where internationally accepted solutions have already existed for decades or centuries. Has this change you outline been announced? I missed it. Previously all UK checks were done in France and vice versa, in order to avoid delays on arrival and to reduce the problem of illegal immigrants entering Britain. We didn't let them on trains. Are we now abandoning that internationally accepted solution and will instead have checks and delays in the UK and the evil French loading illegals onto trains for us to deal with?

31st July 2020, 05:31 AM	#432
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 33,712	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Yes "the obvious lies, told by people who are well-known liars, that we were told were lies, turned out to be lies!" isn't much of a defence, really. FTFY
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31st July 2020, 05:41 AM	#433
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,224	Originally Posted by Mojo FTFY I honestly can't make sense of that sentence now. What are you trying to say?
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31st July 2020, 07:49 AM	#434
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,820	Remember folks, it's the EU that's the undemocratic institution. BBC Politics @BBCPolitics Cricket legend Sir Ian Botham to join House of Lords http://bbc.in/2PbZ3Vl

31st July 2020, 08:00 AM	#435
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,318	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim I honestly can't make sense of that sentence now. What are you trying to say? That not only were the lies obvious, and the people telling them known liars, but it was repeatedly made clear that lies were being told ?