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Old 12th November 2020, 04:47 PM   #2121
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
And the world leadership of innovative jams and jellies.

ETA Hmm mix the two and britian can corner the european market in makrel jam!
Sadly not. Mackerel would have to be added to the list of stuff it’s acceptable to have in jam. That would mean persuading the European Commission to add it. I fear that might be harder to do for a non-Member State.

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Old 12th November 2020, 05:05 PM   #2122
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Cummings out by Xmas!

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Old 13th November 2020, 12:23 AM   #2123
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Before cheering too much, let's see who is going to replace him.
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Old 13th November 2020, 02:03 AM   #2124
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I’ve heard it is going to be a Mr G Huangdi.....
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Old 13th November 2020, 02:11 AM   #2125
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I suppose the question is - how much of a coincidence do we think it is that Cummings is leaving just before the negative consequences of the Brexit that he engineered are due to have an impact?
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Old 13th November 2020, 03:19 AM   #2126
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I assume it’s time for him to cash in the favours he granted with taxpayers money and as SB said before the Brexit hits the fans.
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Old 13th November 2020, 03:22 AM   #2127
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I suppose the question is - how much of a coincidence do we think it is that Cummings is leaving just before the negative consequences of the Brexit that he engineered are due to have an impact?
Yes, he can claim that, under his guidance, the first year of Brexit was a resounding success (while the UK still had full access to the EU under the transition arrangements) , it's only when he took his hand off the tiller that it all went horribly wrong (when there was no alternative to facing the realities of Brexit).
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Old 13th November 2020, 03:43 AM   #2128
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Which is what we have been told so many times is what those that voted to leave wanted.
Only since they stopped calling us lying fearmongers for saying it would happen.
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Old 13th November 2020, 04:54 AM   #2129
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Only since they stopped calling us lying fearmongers for saying it would happen.
And sabotaging the UK at every turn even though they don't have any actual power or capability to do so and that claim is entirely contradictory to the idea they wanted it to turn out this way...
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Old 13th November 2020, 05:14 AM   #2130
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Also, can I just point out the irony of Johnson complaining that Vote Leave are only in it for themselves? Because his unchanging stance on Brexit is purely down to his strong ideological views.
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Old 13th November 2020, 05:49 AM   #2131
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Old 13th November 2020, 07:42 AM   #2132
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I’ve heard it is going to be a Mr G Huangdi.....
A foreign chap ?

Heaven forfend.
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Old 13th November 2020, 08:56 AM   #2133
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Sadly not. Mackerel would have to be added to the list of stuff it’s acceptable to have in jam. That would mean persuading the European Commission to add it. I fear that might be harder to do for a non-Member State.
I had some of that mackerel jam once and it was disgusting. Threw it out the window. Funny thing was, a load of flowers grew in the spot where it had landed. Puzzling.

Oh, wait, no it was hamsters not mackerel. It's coming back to me now; you get tulips from hamster jam.
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Old 13th November 2020, 09:05 AM   #2134
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
I had some of that mackerel jam once and it was disgusting. Threw it out the window. Funny thing was, a load of flowers grew in the spot where it had landed. Puzzling.

Oh, wait, no it was hamsters not mackerel. It's coming back to me now; you get tulips from hamster jam.
Go and sit in the corner and think about what you've done.
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Old 13th November 2020, 09:57 AM   #2135
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Downing Street denies internal crisis has harmed Brexit talks

Of course it hasn’t, we were ****** already.
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Old 13th November 2020, 10:27 AM   #2136
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
I had some of that mackerel jam once and it was disgusting. Threw it out the window. Funny thing was, a load of flowers grew in the spot where it had landed. Puzzling.

Oh, wait, no it was hamsters not mackerel. It's coming back to me now; you get tulips from hamster jam.
How long have you been waiting to make that pun?
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Old 13th November 2020, 10:34 AM   #2137
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How long have you been waiting to make that pun?
Nowhere near long enough.

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Old 13th November 2020, 11:30 AM   #2138
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
How long have you been waiting to make that pun?
Wait? If I had hesitated, I'd have had thought better than to post it.
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Old 13th November 2020, 11:46 AM   #2139
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I’ve heard it is going to be a Mr G Huangdi.....
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Old 13th November 2020, 11:46 AM   #2140
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Downing Street denies internal crisis has harmed Brexit talks

Of course it hasn’t, we were ****** already.
I can't keep up with all these Cummings and goings.
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Old 13th November 2020, 12:29 PM   #2141
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
I had some of that mackerel jam once and it was disgusting. Threw it out the window. Funny thing was, a load of flowers grew in the spot where it had landed. Puzzling.

Oh, wait, no it was hamsters not mackerel. It's coming back to me now; you get tulips from hamster jam.
You're my wife's new comedy hero.
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Old 13th November 2020, 03:03 PM   #2142
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I can't keep up with all these Cummings and goings.

Weren’t they Mr Pooter’s friends?
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Old 13th November 2020, 04:19 PM   #2143
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John Redwood tweeted

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The EU single market has damaged our economy, crippling us with a huge trade deficit whilst we have a surplus with the rest of the world. They took our fish, cut our food production and even pushed us into importing electricity. Time to break free and do better.
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Old 13th November 2020, 04:27 PM   #2144
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
John Redwood tweeted

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The EU single market has damaged our economy, crippling us with a huge trade deficit whilst we have a surplus with the rest of the world. They took our fish, cut our food production and even pushed us into importing electricity. Time to break free and do better.

The fish again!
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Old 14th November 2020, 12:28 AM   #2145
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Dey took er ferrrrrssh!
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Old 14th November 2020, 02:03 AM   #2146
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
John Redwood tweeted

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The EU single market has damaged our economy, crippling us with a huge trade deficit whilst we have a surplus with the rest of the world. They took our fish, cut our food production and even pushed us into importing electricity. Time to break free and do better.
What extraordinary claims.

"We" sold our fishing rights - or more specifically large companies who were granted the vast majority of the fishing quotas decided that it was more profitable to sell those quotas and then diversify into other areas.

Our levels of food production haven't fallen. The UK has been importing the majority of its food for well over a century - apart from during and immediately after World War II. Is John Redwood advocating a return to "dig for victory" and rationing ? The EU didn't force us to do anything, the market chose less expensive food with a much greater variety. I for one don't want to return to the diet of the 70's (and I actually like Spam and haslet).

Likewise with electricity. We import electricity because it's more cost effective to do it that way, not because of some EU diktat. If you want to blame anyone for the state of the UK's electricity industry, blame the Conservatives for privatising it, and for the way they privatised it.

The usual Brexit lies. I wonder whether he actually believes them.
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Also, can I just point out the irony of Johnson complaining that Vote Leave are only in it for themselves? Because his unchanging stance on Brexit is purely down to his strong ideological views.

They should be in it for him, of course.
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John Redwood tweeted

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The EU single market has damaged our economy, crippling us with a huge trade deficit whilst we have a surplus with the rest of the world. They took our fish, cut our food production and even pushed us into importing electricity. Time to break free and do better.
Pushed us into importing electricity is an interesting one. Are the EU in charge of UK electricity generating capacity now?

Crap like that tweet is why I gave up Twitter. Only so much time you can spent tilting at windmills before it gets bad for the mental health
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
John Redwood tweeted

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The EU single market has damaged our economy, crippling us with a huge trade deficit whilst we have a surplus with the rest of the world. They took our fish, cut our food production and even pushed us into importing electricity. Time to break free and do better.
They turned us into a newt. Take back control of getting better.

It's such ********. We buy German cars, they buy London financial services. Except now thanks to the magic of Brexit they won't. So the massive trade deficit Redwood moans about is about to become reality thanks to ***** like him.
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I’ve heard it is going to be a Mr G Huangdi.....
Originally Posted by gypsyjackson View Post
Emperor?
Oh, I just worked it out, I think. Genghis Khan.
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I wonder if that's why Norwegian herring exports are booming.
That is more to do with Covid19 than Brexit:

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"The corona crisis has given a particularly high demand for canned herring," said NSC pelagics strategist Jan Eirik Johnsen. "In addition, we see that the ongoing revision of the [Marine Stewardship Council] environmental certification means that buy...https://www.undercurrentnews.com/2020/11/06/another-bumper-haul-for-norwegian-herring-as-exports-trend-down/"
Getting some kind of MSC-certification before it expires.
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Dairy farmers won’t be affected by a possible 35% tariff if there is no trade deal with the EU because "we would be applying our own tariffs on imported EU goods," says Environment Secretary George Eustice

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Dairy farmers won’t be affected by a possible 35% tariff if there is no trade deal with the EU because "we would be applying our own tariffs on imported EU goods," says Environment Secretary George Eustice

http://bbc.in/3nqZdHz
I'm impressed. He's making a strong showing in the most idiotic minister stakes - which is a very strong field.
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Dairy farmers won’t be affected by a possible 35% tariff if there is no trade deal with the EU because "we would be applying our own tariffs on imported EU goods," says Environment Secretary George Eustice

http://bbc.in/3nqZdHz
Yes, because we import more dairy produce than we export and so all of the UK's milk can be consumed in the UK instead. Not only that, but because there may be tariffs on imported dairy produce, consumer prices will go up which will mean that dairy farmers will make more money. This is all great news except.....
  • UK consumers will end up paying more
  • There aren't the facilities in the UK to turn the raw milk into the dairy products that we consume in the UK
  • UK exported dairy products are higher added value so UK dairy farmers will lose out
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Boris Johnson is reportedly confident that the UK will prosper without an EU trade deal.

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Boris Johnson has reiterated he is "confident [the UK] will prosper" outside the EU if a post-Brexit trade deal is not agreed with the bloc.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54958343

I wish I was so sanguine. Perhaps if he was more specific about why he was so confident about the UK's prospects given that we're making it more difficult to deal with our biggest trading partner.

He's repeating the lie that no deal is what Australia has:

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"If the EU don't respect the sovereignty of the UK, we will leave on Australian terms and the prime minister is confident that we will prosper."
Which completely ignores the large number of bilateral deals the EU and Australia have, and the efforts Australia is making to get an EU trade deal. If the situation was so perfect, why are Australia working so hard ?
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"Australian terms" means leave with nothing. It's ********.
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It's quite apt. Aussie rules suggests things will appear sort of familiar at first but then turn out to be alarmingly rougher.
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Which completely ignores the large number of bilateral deals the EU and Australia have, and the efforts Australia is making to get an EU trade deal. If the situation was so perfect, why are Australia working so hard ?
November 2020 "The largest trade deal in history has been signed, with 15 countries including Australia agreeing to the pact, which covers 30 per cent of the global economy.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-...-deal/12885666

Well it's obvious. Australia is going for the full complete set of trade deals trading cards with every country in the world.


(I'm a little sad, in that I'm an Aussie, and I bought an excellent Bellings oven, manufactured in the UK. I hope leaving the EU does not put Bellings into financial hardship from a reduced market. It is a good and cost effective oven and the last oven still manufactured in the UK.)
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Old 17th November 2020, 04:07 AM   #2159
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George Eustice Former Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food

told Marr on Sunday that the UK would put up prices (tariffs) on dairy, forcing Arla to move production to the UK to make Lurpak here.
It’s almost as if all Brexit is based on random claims and wishful thinking

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More serious is baby milk powder production. UK imports 90%
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